scy123
Trusted Member Don't Worry
LMAO you are going to patent something I release to public domain 4 years ago?
COME I WOULD LOVE IT COME OMG COME
JUST COME
On Patents and Induction Heaters
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LMAO you are going to patent something I release to public domain 4 years ago?
COME I WOULD LOVE IT COME OMG COME
JUST COME
TommyDee
Vaporitor
I will always thank you for outing the TMII. Still love user mode temp control on a Launch Box.
And so does one other. We were making a market for you. You choked @scy123 .
But I have to reconsider providing credit as I don't know that you didn't get the concept from someone else's efforts.
Your participation in this thread has me questioning your inventor-claim. I'll claim -prior art- as the inventor which is true.
Of course to say I am not the inventor of the idea - yet, I am the inventor of the TMII's tank mod. I have always claimed that as my implementation of -prior art-.
And so does one other. We were making a market for you. You choked @scy123 .
But I have to reconsider providing credit as I don't know that you didn't get the concept from someone else's efforts.
Your participation in this thread has me questioning your inventor-claim. I'll claim -prior art- as the inventor which is true.
Of course to say I am not the inventor of the idea - yet, I am the inventor of the TMII's tank mod. I have always claimed that as my implementation of -prior art-.
scy123
Trusted Member Don't Worry
The thread even shows how I guided you trough making it lmao.
And I have other post from 4 years ago with same basic ideas and guides.
You thought DynaVap had the induction heater patent, so I don’t think I have to defend myself further.
Edit~ I dont even care about the idea, which is why i released guides lmao.
And I have other post from 4 years ago with same basic ideas and guides.
You thought DynaVap had the induction heater patent, so I don’t think I have to defend myself further.
Edit~ I dont even care about the idea, which is why i released guides lmao.
Abysmal Vapor
Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
This thread is hilarious,please dont stop guys. Some comedian should do an act on the patent law subject.
As far as DV as a company ,i think they have zero interest in keeping anyone from making accessories for their vaporizers. I dont think they could satisfy the market if there were the only manufacturer. It took them years to put on on the market and it was Meh... and also why stop the research and development of this application of IH technology from third parties which happens for free
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As for the MFLB 510 adapter,dont know how old are your ideas,but those were avaiable for sale in 2018.
@VGOODIEZ Moderators here have a lot of experience with this kind of situations ,so kudos to forseeing this and getting it out of the the thread on time. It has been a few time that i myself have found some decisions strange,but after a while i realize that they did the right thing, those guys are just wiser than me i guess..
As far as DV as a company ,i think they have zero interest in keeping anyone from making accessories for their vaporizers. I dont think they could satisfy the market if there were the only manufacturer. It took them years to put on on the market and it was Meh... and also why stop the research and development of this application of IH technology from third parties which happens for free
..As for the MFLB 510 adapter,dont know how old are your ideas,but those were avaiable for sale in 2018.
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Inspired by posts on this and other sites, I've designed and built an adapter that allows the MFLB to be powered by a sub-ohm vape mod. It requires an RDA base to provide the physical and electrical attachment to the mod. Picture...
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@VGOODIEZ Moderators here have a lot of experience with this kind of situations ,so kudos to forseeing this and getting it out of the the thread on time. It has been a few time that i myself have found some decisions strange,but after a while i realize that they did the right thing, those guys are just wiser than me i guess..
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scy123
Trusted Member Don't Worry
sniped, plus my idea was for a wireless adaptor
The shit was public domain for 5 years and he was joking about patent it cause he made one LMAO
I am still waiting for you to patent it.
I am just gonna end this with that, he don't even know that he can't patent my idea I release 5 years ago.
Their is even a digital trail of me teaching him how to make it LMAO
No point arguing, throwing off my balance with that.
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I'm sorry were you under the impression I am defending these guys? I stopped (stopping) carrying them but not because of the bullshit brought up to start this thread. It's because of how my questions were answered and how my first order went.
You seem pretty amped up to have everyone boycott them but save your energy as they supply most of the industry and make up a huge chunk of some of the popular retailer's/reviewers business. Has everyone been buying this stuff and not noticed?
TommyDee
Vaporitor
How does this prove you didn't rip it off from someone else?
I'm sorry. Regardless of what I meant, I was way off topic and I apologized (apologizing).I'm sorry were you under the impression I am defending these guys? I stopped (stopping) carrying them but not because of the bullshit brought up to start this thread. It's because of how my questions were answered and how my first order went.
How would we know if we're neither a popular retailer or reviewer? What stuff are we talking about?
I was pretty amped up after seeing the level of cockiness and disrespect being shown. I have no clout whatsoever to organize any kinda boycott. I'm aware of how insignificant I am. I know I'm not causing even a dent. Am just a poor soul with vas, who joined a forum.
But thats me. So you're absolutely right that i should save my energy. You, on the other hand, are a public figure who commands respect in the community. You gave us the DCE for petes sake lol. So if you know anything else we don't, do share. I believe it will make a difference. Knowledge is power
TommyDee
Vaporitor
TommyDee
Vaporitor
Nope. And don't you think you should "@" if you want to bring him into this?
scy123
Trusted Member Don't Worry
I don’t want to bring him into this, I just wanted to mention him.
I will end this with this though.
Is that not Pipes ideas being patented 4 years after it was released into public domain. By someone not Pipes?
I will end this with this though.
US20210014941A1 - Portable induction heater - Google Patents
A portable induction heater is disclosed. In one construction, the portable induction heater is generally composed of a housing and a lid coupled to the housing. The lid has one or more apertures and a chamber coupled to at least one of the one or more apertures. The chamber is positioned in...
patents.google.com
Is that not Pipes ideas being patented 4 years after it was released into public domain. By someone not Pipes?
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TommyDee
Vaporitor
Its not about that patent - that's what I've been trying to tell you, whoever gives a shit.
This conversation spawned out of a comment about knowing the origin of the tech that has flooded the market, from China, since Orion was introduced. Tech that has a signature of its own, its own tell if you will. - I know its Dynatec's tech for better or for worse. Believe me or deny me, but don't make it about law - the last stand we can make to not have these things happened is to not support the behavior. Yea right!
I'd be happy to point out these tells, but first you have to give a shit like I do. That ain't many of you in this thread. Most of my replies are simply ignored because they get in the way or restated in a reflective pose. This one will too no doubt.
@scy123 - I will apologize to you for what I just put you through. That's what @kel pulled off, made about something else. Of course other don't need to be brought into this pointless conversation. Of course I'll respect you inventorship. We don't have a problem that I know of. I've always respected the help and the possibilities that have come from it. I'm as disappointed as you as to the lack of participation.
Can't people just accept the fact that I cannot spend money on things that in my heart I know is not from an honorable source? Prove me wrong already; show me how the circuit is demonstrably different from the Orion V1. I knew the first clone the moment I saw the picture of the insides and talked to Chris. Time will tell if this is a direct result of Dynavap going to China or not regardless of what all this bullshit is about.
It is up to none of you to determine what my morals stand for! I can tell you there is no Dynamag holding it steady.
This conversation spawned out of a comment about knowing the origin of the tech that has flooded the market, from China, since Orion was introduced. Tech that has a signature of its own, its own tell if you will. - I know its Dynatec's tech for better or for worse. Believe me or deny me, but don't make it about law - the last stand we can make to not have these things happened is to not support the behavior. Yea right!
I'd be happy to point out these tells, but first you have to give a shit like I do. That ain't many of you in this thread. Most of my replies are simply ignored because they get in the way or restated in a reflective pose. This one will too no doubt.
@scy123 - I will apologize to you for what I just put you through. That's what @kel pulled off, made about something else. Of course other don't need to be brought into this pointless conversation. Of course I'll respect you inventorship. We don't have a problem that I know of. I've always respected the help and the possibilities that have come from it. I'm as disappointed as you as to the lack of participation.
Can't people just accept the fact that I cannot spend money on things that in my heart I know is not from an honorable source? Prove me wrong already; show me how the circuit is demonstrably different from the Orion V1. I knew the first clone the moment I saw the picture of the insides and talked to Chris. Time will tell if this is a direct result of Dynavap going to China or not regardless of what all this bullshit is about.
It is up to none of you to determine what my morals stand for! I can tell you there is no Dynamag holding it steady.
scy123
Trusted Member Don't Worry
DynaVap stole the tech from the chinese induction heater that used it years before DynaVap though.
Edit - and it’s a common asss tech everyone uses.
Edit - and no one is stealing anything, everything I seen in this thread is common ass tech everyone uses.
That patent is probably guilty of trying to steal though.
MAN do you even read and understand the post by other members? I feel like I have to inject you information that was posted before.
EDIT: oh shit I witnessed this before and got kinda sucker this time, you just try to ask a lot of dumb questions and reply with dumb answers.
Edit - and it’s a common asss tech everyone uses.
Edit - and no one is stealing anything, everything I seen in this thread is common ass tech everyone uses.
That patent is probably guilty of trying to steal though.
MAN do you even read and understand the post by other members? I feel like I have to inject you information that was posted before.
EDIT: oh shit I witnessed this before and got kinda sucker this time, you just try to ask a lot of dumb questions and reply with dumb answers.
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kel
FuckMisogynists!
Wow... still going...
He's theDuracell Energiser Bunny of Patent Trolls - aside from the serious aspect to this thread I haven't laughed this much since - fuck knows!!!
I think the thread should remain open too, there's plenty to discuss beyond the matter that started it all and it's fast becoming a daily driver of my humour circuits
As a general observation, I have tried and failed (maybe my search fu is off today?) to find companies filing for bankruptcy citing cheaper clones as a reason, does anyone know of any real world examples, I feel if this is such a massive problem there should be thousands and there should be some of those blog posts, you know, the ones that have titles like '35 awesome companies that were destroyed by cheap clones', etc.
I think the following are truisms:
1) People who don't buy cheap knockoffs don't ever buy cheap knockoffs, they have brand loyalty and/or appreciate quality
2) Many people who do buy cheap knockoffs were probably never going to buy the original item anyway
or
3) After they have bought the cheap knockoff, they end up buying the original because it gave them a taste and they realise they wanted a better version
4) We are all VAS sufferers and will probably end up with both the knock-off and the original and all the other variants and curiosities anyway?
5) Every device in the world promotes further purchases, builds awareness of the scene and generally just contributes to the economy
There's more, but overall I just don't really believe that the knock-off market is as damaging as some people make out... in fact I have a sneaky suspicion that it actually helps everyone in the long run.
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Just to prove what an anti-social aggressive and manipulative troll Mr. Dee is being, I am reiterating the three posts that started this discussion...
Please pay careful attention to who brought up patents... hint: it wasn't me!
But apparently I twisted poor Mr. Dee's position into something it wasn't - this is absolutely batshit crazy:
and today...
I am crying with laughter... the posts are there for anyone to go back and check for themselves at the beginning of this thread!
I am at this point starting to feel guilty for questioning the accusations of theft, I mean is there a problem we don't know about that should encourage empathy?
He's the
I think the thread should remain open too, there's plenty to discuss beyond the matter that started it all and it's fast becoming a daily driver of my humour circuits
As a general observation, I have tried and failed (maybe my search fu is off today?) to find companies filing for bankruptcy citing cheaper clones as a reason, does anyone know of any real world examples, I feel if this is such a massive problem there should be thousands and there should be some of those blog posts, you know, the ones that have titles like '35 awesome companies that were destroyed by cheap clones', etc.
I think the following are truisms:
1) People who don't buy cheap knockoffs don't ever buy cheap knockoffs, they have brand loyalty and/or appreciate quality
2) Many people who do buy cheap knockoffs were probably never going to buy the original item anyway
or
3) After they have bought the cheap knockoff, they end up buying the original because it gave them a taste and they realise they wanted a better version
4) We are all VAS sufferers and will probably end up with both the knock-off and the original and all the other variants and curiosities anyway?
5) Every device in the world promotes further purchases, builds awareness of the scene and generally just contributes to the economy
There's more, but overall I just don't really believe that the knock-off market is as damaging as some people make out... in fact I have a sneaky suspicion that it actually helps everyone in the long run.
==
Just to prove what an anti-social aggressive and manipulative troll Mr. Dee is being, I am reiterating the three posts that started this discussion...
Please pay careful attention to who brought up patents... hint: it wasn't me!
But apparently I twisted poor Mr. Dee's position into something it wasn't - this is absolutely batshit crazy:
and today...
I am crying with laughter... the posts are there for anyone to go back and check for themselves at the beginning of this thread!
I am at this point starting to feel guilty for questioning the accusations of theft, I mean is there a problem we don't know about that should encourage empathy?
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@TommyDee you bought an Alpine with little regard for the work put in by Pipes.
They ripped his design off, aside from the coil switch which was part of the pcb. The whole heater configuration is a blatant copy.
There were plenty of pictures of the heater in the public domain.
I have a UFO enroute and I will strip it down and see how much of a similarity there is between it and the Orion with regard to the pcb components.
The ones I would say are looking to be copies are the WDLX and the Yllvape. From the pictures I've seen their pcb layouts are too close for comfort.
Yllvape have added a temp control pcb.
Toggengear have a rebrand Yllvape coming out as well.
It's no secret knock offs are made and they are made at the request of retailers. You can't fault the manufacturers as they have overheads to pay.
The retailers are the ones at fault especially when they send another man's work directly to the company to copy.
A bad part of being on the manufacturer side of the fence is you get to find out about the nefarious actions taken by 'trusted' members of the vaping community.
Patents are only as good as the defence needed to back them up.
Companies can send out as many 'cease and desist' letters or threats in private messages to try and bully people into submission but in the end they mean nothing without actions and only make the company look foolish.
They ripped his design off, aside from the coil switch which was part of the pcb. The whole heater configuration is a blatant copy.
There were plenty of pictures of the heater in the public domain.
I have a UFO enroute and I will strip it down and see how much of a similarity there is between it and the Orion with regard to the pcb components.
The ones I would say are looking to be copies are the WDLX and the Yllvape. From the pictures I've seen their pcb layouts are too close for comfort.
Yllvape have added a temp control pcb.
Toggengear have a rebrand Yllvape coming out as well.
It's no secret knock offs are made and they are made at the request of retailers. You can't fault the manufacturers as they have overheads to pay.
The retailers are the ones at fault especially when they send another man's work directly to the company to copy.
A bad part of being on the manufacturer side of the fence is you get to find out about the nefarious actions taken by 'trusted' members of the vaping community.
Patents are only as good as the defence needed to back them up.
Companies can send out as many 'cease and desist' letters or threats in private messages to try and bully people into submission but in the end they mean nothing without actions and only make the company look foolish.
arb
Semi shaved ape
The vape industry seems to consist of a few extremely talented and honest makers and the rest are either middlemen,compensated reviewers or copycats who cannot come up with a idea on their own........more middling of Dhgate parts.
Best to just buy direct from the maker if at all possible and maybe check Dhgate so you can at least see the reality of it.
I keep hearing the qc is done by the middles but really don't see that in their products.
I am starting to suspect qc means not shattered or obviously leaking something and has little to do with any actual quality.
Best to just buy direct from the maker if at all possible and maybe check Dhgate so you can at least see the reality of it.
I keep hearing the qc is done by the middles but really don't see that in their products.
I am starting to suspect qc means not shattered or obviously leaking something and has little to do with any actual quality.
Short on time so will address some reports here in one post.
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Referencing the following rule isn't something I enjoy doing. However, a retailer (especially one that also happens to be selling a product referenced in this discussion) should really not be doing this.
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Sadly this is just one more example of why you've had action taken against your account. I've been hoping that you'd eventually come around and see the generous opportunity you've been given to become part of the discussions here again.
This is simply not needed and goes against our be nice rules.
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