next generation e-nails?

Monsoon

Monsoon

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kazz said:
I'm looking at the Boss Titanium e-nails. They have two models. One is a bit larger and uses regular XLR connector. The Boss Micro E-nail is a bit smaller and uses a mini XLR connector.

Are there any advantages or disadvantages to the connector? I like the looks of the Micro, but don't want to get locked in to one company's coils. Do other makers use the mini XLR?
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Gimido and I think another one uses the mini's but they're not as common. I have a 4-pin mini-XLR unit and kind of regretting that now. Worse case they can be custom wired with different connectors on the off chance Boss stopped selling them in the future.
 
kazz

kazz

Little Lebowski Urban Achiever
Monsoon said:
Gimido and I think another one uses the mini's but they're not as common. I have a 4-pin mini-XLR unit and kind of regretting that now. Worse case they can be custom wired with different connectors on the off chance Boss stopped selling them in the future.
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Thanks for your reply. I have corresponded w/ BOSS, and they stated that they would be posting a mini to regular XLR adapter on their site very soon.

I did decide to order the Micro with the mini xlr. Nice looking unit with a good price. I'll post something resembling a review when it arrives.
 
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alittledabwilldoya'

alittledabwilldoya'

Sapphire Powered Dabstronaut.
Thanks to all who provided input.
I have finally pulled the trigger on an enail setup!

WOO-HOO!!

Auber RDK-200 controller: http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=45&products_id=459

$130 (controller + flat coil)

Happy Daddy Genesis Micro w/ Quartz insert: http://www.happydaddyproducts.net/product/genesis-micro/

$145 (Genesis Micro Ti nail + 3 quartz inserts + Carb cap & handle)


The RDK-200 is cheap, has a good reputation, and I like the knob for temp control.
The Genesis Micro should mate well with my hourglass recycler, which is a 10mm rig and rather delicate.
The micro is lighter and should obviate the need for a dropdown, making the setup lighter yet.

Delicate piece in question:

MJ9Jsuv.jpg


Errlectric sounds like the cream of the crop, but the cheapest I could find that set-up with a quartz insert and carb cap was roughly $400.
Errlectric FQN running ~$500 with discount.
Sic + Sapphire sounds like it's the tastiest, but that runs $260 for just the nail (w/o a carb cap!).

Too expensive.
Plus any of those nails would be much heavier and require some kind of adapter / dropdown, adding even more weight.
I love the metal sheathing on the heating element on the Errlectric, but once again: more weight.


With the built in reclaim collector do you guys think I will be okay w/o a dropdown?
There shouldn't be much reclaim with the Genesis nail anyway; check out the slick design: http://www.happydaddyproducts.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/GenesisCard.jpgof
Or is this asking for trouble?
Pre-heat the nail before dropping it in the fitting or leave it in and then heat?
Pre-heating sounds safer as the metal nail would have already gone through thermal expansion.


Anyway, this place is great, and my credit cards hate you guys!

:D
 
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PoopMachine

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The only reclaim collector Ive ever seen that actually works is the one Joda Glassworks made for me. I dunno if he ever made anyone else one or not based off of my design but it works great. I have a redesign in mind but I havent contacted him about making me another one.
 
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alittledabwilldoya'

alittledabwilldoya'

Sapphire Powered Dabstronaut.
^^^ My main concern is that if I run w/o a dropdown and a nail gets stuck it will be in the main piece, or that too much heat might be transmitted to the glass itself.

Are dropdowns good defense against such threats?
When using a dropdown is it reasonable to think that in the event of bad juju the dropdown will break instead of the main piece?
Or will a dropdown just make the main piece more prone to tipping?

Why do people typically use dropdowns?


@PoopMachine: Do you have a pic of the dropdown Joda did for you?
 
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Frederick McGuire

Frederick McGuire

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alittledabwilldoya' said:
^^^ My main concern is that if I run w/o a dropdown and a nail gets stuck it will be in the main piece, or that too much heat might be transmitted to the glass itself.

Are dropdowns good defense against such threats?
When using a dropdown is it reasonable to think that in the event of bad juju the dropdown will break instead of the main piece?
Or will a dropdown just make the main piece more prone to tipping?

Why do people typically use dropdowns?


@PoopMachine: Do you have a pic of the dropdown Joda did for you?
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A dropdown can make a piece more tippy.
But, you can usually angle it around so that the weight centers itself a bit and there's less chance of tipping.

Not sure if that made sense - basically - dropdown pointing as far away from the piece as possible will be tippy, but swing it back around so it's pretty close to the main can and it should be fine.

I always use a dropdown when I'm dabbing.

1st advantage: any excess heat is going into your dropdown, not your sexy rig.
Probably not the most major of concerns, but why risk adding heat stress to a very nice and expensive rig?
2nd advantage: most reclaim gets caught in the dropdown - keeps your rig a bit cleaner, helps flavor last a bit better between cleanings Imo (dry claim seems to affect flavour a lot less than wet claim imo)
3rd advantage: modularity - just get 1 nail type, then as many dropdowns as required to make it fit other joints. With quality nails going for $100+, it could be pretty spendy getting an extra size, or you'd be limiting the pieces that you can use with the single size nail you have.
4th advantage: ease of movement - if some claim makes your nail stick to the joint, it's only the cheap adapter, not the main rig (I've had 2 dropdowns have their joint snap off when trying to remove a stick nail - they were probably a fair bit flimsier than the Main rigs they were in, but at least it was only my $5 dropdown that broke :)).
It also makes it easier to move a hot nail to another rig if you want to either dab with a different rig, or vape through your main dabbing rig.
 
Monsoon

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Frederick McGuire said:
3rd advantage: modularity - just get 1 nail type, then as many dropdowns as required to make it fit other joints. With quality nails going for $100+, it could be pretty spendy getting an extra size, or you'd be limiting the pieces that you can use with the single size nail you have.
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I went with the "1 dropdown - many adapters" route which can also save you some cash too. I use a 14F-14F dropdown which works with all my 14M pieces and then I have a 14M-14M, 14M-18M and 14M-18F adapters which takes care of everything else. Joint stays clean so it's effortless to move it between any one of my rigs.

I actually have an e-nail base permanently stuck to my first dropdown. I could still use it and clean it so it wasn't a huge issue but it would be if it were stuck to a rig. So that's one thing to consider especially if you're using a DHGate rig that may actually be worth less than your dropdown.
 
A1FBG

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alittledabwilldoya' said:
Thanks to all who provided input.
I have finally pulled the trigger on an enail setup!

WOO-HOO!!

Auber RDK-200 controller: http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=45&products_id=459

$130 (controller + flat coil)

Happy Daddy Genesis Micro w/ Quartz insert: http://www.happydaddyproducts.net/product/genesis-micro/

$145 (Genesis Micro Ti nail + 3 quartz inserts + Carb cap & handle)


The RDK-200 is cheap, has a good reputation, and I like the knob for temp control.
The Genesis Micro should mate well with my hourglass recycler, which is a 10mm rig and rather delicate.
The micro is lighter and should obviate the need for a dropdown, making the setup lighter yet.

Delicate piece in question:

MJ9Jsuv.jpg


Errlectric sounds like the cream of the crop, but the cheapest I could find that set-up with a quartz insert and carb cap was roughly $400.
Errlectric FQN running ~$500 with discount.
Sic + Sapphire sounds like it's the tastiest, but that runs $260 for just the nail (w/o a carb cap!).

Too expensive.
Plus any of those nails would be much heavier and require some kind of adapter / dropdown, adding even more weight.
I love the metal sheathing on the heating element on the Errlectric, but once again: more weight.


With the built in reclaim collector do you guys think I will be okay w/o a dropdown?
There shouldn't be much reclaim with the Genesis nail anyway; check out the slick design: http://www.happydaddyproducts.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/GenesisCard.jpgof
Or is this asking for trouble?
Pre-heat the nail before dropping it in the fitting or leave it in and then heat?
Pre-heating sounds safer as the metal nail would have already gone through thermal expansion.


Anyway, this place is great, and my credit cards hate you guys!

:D
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I ended up throwing one on my SiC Dish and even with its fat ass dish I've still collected some reclaim (which pays for the $10 dropdown in the long run) plus yes you dont have to worry about your nail getting stuck or breaking the rig. It can improve the view of the nail also if your rig's joint is placed high. Istrongly suggest snagging a dropdown, no reason not to, my biggest concern was appearance :lmao:

If tipping is your only concern do like Fred said and swing it around closer to the rig. Should fix any issues. if that isn't good enough tho then i guess you could see what adding more water would do. Or if it comes down to it, add a small weight to the base of the glass (small bag of sand or something haha..)
 
XeroRespect

XeroRespect

This too shall PAX...
Good Day All,

I am pretty new to the E-Nail scene, and decided to post my experience/setup as most noobs like myself spend a TON of money trying to find the right setup. Wasn’t sure of the correct thread to post this in, this one seemed to have the most traffic.

A little background… I have been mainly using W9 Tech/UP Tech oil pens for my concentrates. But wanted more of a desktop setup for dabs. I love flowers using my Underdog Log pups through my Mobius Ion bubbler, therefore going to an E-Nail with a water piece was a natural transition.

While I agree there may be better options out there for taste and quality of parts, for an entry level setup this has treated me pretty nicely so far. This is by no means the least expensive route to take, but all in all, it has treated me nicely all for around $260 all in (not including all the shit I bought trying to find this “best” setup for me).

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This past weekend, the setup became portable thanks to a new Pelican 1450 case:

2qbyejb.jpg
 
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Monsoon

Monsoon

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XeroRespect said:
Good Day All,

I am pretty new to the E-Nail scene, and decided to post my experience/setup as most noobs like myself spend a TON of money trying to find the right setup. Wasn’t sure of the correct thread to post this in, this one seemed to have the most traffic.

A little background… I have been mainly using W9 Tech/UP Tech oil pens for my concentrates. But wanted more of a desktop setup for dabs. I love flowers using my Underdog Log pups through my Mobius Ion bubbler, therefore going to an E-Nail with a water piece was a natural transition.

While I agree there may be better options out there for taste and quality of parts, for an entry level setup this has treated me pretty nicely so far. This is by no means the least expensive route to take, but all in all, it has treated me nicely all for around $260 all in (not including all the shit I bought trying to find this “best” setup for me).

2jb6ufn.jpg



This past weekend, the setup became portable thanks to a new Pelican 1450 case:

2qbyejb.jpg
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Looks like you have the perfect beginner e-nail setup.
 
anasrzi

anasrzi

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XeroRespect said:
Good Day All,

I am pretty new to the E-Nail scene, and decided to post my experience/setup as most noobs like myself spend a TON of money trying to find the right setup. Wasn’t sure of the correct thread to post this in, this one seemed to have the most traffic.

A little background… I have been mainly using W9 Tech/UP Tech oil pens for my concentrates. But wanted more of a desktop setup for dabs. I love flowers using my Underdog Log pups through my Mobius Ion bubbler, therefore going to an E-Nail with a water piece was a natural transition.

While I agree there may be better options out there for taste and quality of parts, for an entry level setup this has treated me pretty nicely so far. This is by no means the least expensive route to take, but all in all, it has treated me nicely all for around $260 all in (not including all the shit I bought trying to find this “best” setup for me).

2jb6ufn.jpg



This past weekend, the setup became portable thanks to a new Pelican 1450 case:

2qbyejb.jpg
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Just love the whole kit @XeroRespect that's the kind of kit that should be available for us newbies so we have a good place to start from in the dabbing and nail world, thanks for putting the links in also saves us looking into everything time and again, you've even found a use for my old ryot case in this little set up.
 
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Monsoon

Monsoon

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jlsmonster said:
Anyone know if the SiC dish is compatible with the universal nail/flat coil that comes with the RDK-200? That see to me like a really sweet setup if so,

http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=45&products_id=459

$70 + $90 for the flat coil/nail

http://www.d-nail.com/nails/sic/d-nail-the-sic-nail

$100

So that's $260 plus shipping. I cant imagine a cheaper option for a function enail/sic setup.
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It's compatible but you'll need to spend an extra $40 for a base (it's literally just the dish for $100) and you'll want to get a carb cap too if possible.
 
Silver420Surfer

Silver420Surfer

Downward spiral
jlsmonster said:
Anyone know if the SiC dish is compatible with the universal nail/flat coil that comes with the RDK-200? That see to me like a really sweet setup if so,

http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=45&products_id=459

$70 + $90 for the flat coil/nail

http://www.d-nail.com/nails/sic/d-nail-the-sic-nail

$100

So that's $260 plus shipping. I cant imagine a cheaper option for a function enail/sic setup.
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FWIW, I have been using the same Auber RDK200 setup(flat coil/universal nail) since February. Still going strong! Most days it's on for at least 8 hours straight. Best $$ I could of spent on an enail. Plus it's made in Georgia, so that's cool.
The nail is genuine Ti, mine "rainbow-ed" up from heating like it should, no flaking or blotching(which shitty nails do). The nail comes with a large and smaller sized dish, I use the smaller dish to dab on, for a perfect ft with my Errlecrtic Vortex carb cap.

Just wanted to say good choice, and if it performs like mine, you will be extremely satisfied.


@Monsoon -- The universal nail that @jlsmonster is getting with his Auber coil is a clone of the HE Infinity. Have you tried the HE clone with the D-Nail SiC dish? Unless the threading is different, I can't see spending $40 more for the "same" base.
 
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herbivore21

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Monsoon said:
I'm a bit surprised after @herbivore21 stated possible oxidative issues when used with a torch. I wonder if they were able to resolve or reduce that.
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Doubtful man, SiN simply cannot be brought to oxidative degradation without risk of releasing ammonia offgas. It scares the shit out of me that the Hive guys say they have been trying to get one to crack with a torch. This is just begging to cause degradation! Also interesting that they say hands down the best thermal shock resistance. The thermal properties on SiC are much more robust than SiN.

Torch will eventually degrade it in this way over time (a butane torch will take a good while though), they really ought to use this material for e-nails only.

In any case, those using big fucking propane torches, DO NOT TORCH THIS SUBSTANCE! A propane torch can absolutely reach temps that are higher than the melting point of SiN - this is unsafe.

Butane torches can approach the temps used to create SiN in the first place (it is made heating silicon in a nitrogen atmosphere), but are not likely to hit the melting point of the material. Because of this, you could conceivably torch with a tane torch for a while before you start to oxidate the material. If you see ANY signs of degradation or oxidation from torch while heating anything SiN - stop using it. Your health is more important.

Please beware everybody! SiN is really not the droid you're looking for for torching, I would just get SiC if you wanna torch. If you're using it as an enail, by all means though go for SiN if you like though! ;)
 
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