PoopMachine
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Maybe one day a decent SIC nail will come out. We can keep hoping......
next generation e-nails?
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herbivore21
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Dude, I have posted around these parts that what you would consider a decent SiC nail is just around the corner
Gotta say though, the existing SiC nail is still better than anything else I have seen available now by a long shot, and I've used the $300 quartz nails and ceramic and sapphire and various other stuff lol - whilst many do not like the infiniti nail, remember there are like 3-4 compatible bases that d-nail alone send to use with the SiC dish - not to mention others which will probably fit too!
If you want no Ti - have patience my friend, remember that fabrication/manufacturing technologies for this material have only just been adapted to our application. SiC conducts heat far too well to be used as the material for the whole nail, it will put way too much hotness on your glass. However, a solution has already been developed (NO MORE INFO WILL BE GIVEN!). I know for a fact that stuff that you're gonna love is not far off.
weenstoned
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Good to hear they're doing a re-design. Would be way more likely to consider one that isn't huge and works with most carb caps.
BoogerMan
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This is exactly why I love this site. There is always some smart that knows of dangers that the company fails to mention. Thanks @herbivore21 for sharing your knowledge. I just wish everyone would do research instead of just trusting what a company claims...Doubtful man, SiN simply cannot be brought to oxidative degradation without risk of releasing ammonia offgas. It scares the shit out of me that the Hive guys say they have been trying to get one to crack with a torch. This is just begging to cause degradation! Also interesting that they say hands down the best thermal shock resistance. The thermal properties on SiC are much more robust than SiN.
Torch will eventually degrade it in this way over time (a butane torch will take a good while though), they really ought to use this material for e-nails only.
In any case, those using big fucking propane torches, DO NOT TORCH THIS SUBSTANCE! A propane torch can absolutely reach temps that are higher than the melting point of SiN - this is unsafe.
Butane torches can approach the temps used to create SiN in the first place (it is made heating silicon in a nitrogen atmosphere), but are not likely to hit the melting point of the material. Because of this, you could conceivably torch with a tane torch for a while before you start to oxidate the material. If you see ANY signs of degradation or oxidation from torch while heating anything SiN - stop using it. Your health is more important.
Please beware everybody! SiN is really not the droid you're looking for for torching, I would just get SiC if you wanna torch. If you're using it as an enail, by all means though go for SiN if you like though!
herbivore21
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If there's one thing I know about D-nail, it is that by the time they bring an initial/beta product to consumers, they generally already have a few updated/revised designs already in the works/testing stages
There is some fucking epic stuff coming soon, can't wait to show you guys when I get my hands on some of these things This is why I threw my lot behind D-nail when choosing an enail provider, these guys are the most active in R & D of any company I know of.
Hey out of interest man, how come you want a smaller nail? Is it just because of carb cap fit?
Remember, purpose made carb caps for any given nail when properly designed for ideal pressure flow are always gonna give better results than any other carb that still fits more or less properly.
Of course, any carb is better than none, but a purpose made carb is always better than any other IME, and I've owned a great many different nails and carbs.
With this being said, I really can't wait for quartz carbs to come out for SiC, ti is way too conductive, even with this specially made, less conductive design. It's also gonna be amazing to be able to see that dab vaping through the quartz
weenstoned
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@herbivore21 I definitely get what you're saying about a cap designed for a specific nail will do a better job but I do enjoy switching up caps/marbles/tiny glass jars. Also seemed a bit cash grabby to introduce a nail that only works with one cap. Quartz carb caps would be nice too.
herbivore21
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I get ya man, it is definitely nice to be able to use our existing carbs/marbles etc. As I said, there will be more compatible caps here, but due to the design and applications of this nail, it simply has to be bigger than most.
This nail needs to be much bigger than a standard nail size (for instance that a HE OG carb would fit) - it needs to fit the sapphire insert inside it and have sufficient air/pressure flow around this.
The infiniti large dish was way too small with hindsight for a conductive sapphire insert, you can't do anything but the tiniest dabs in here with conductive sapphire dabbing because this head (which is the near-universal size) is far too small and shallow once the sapphire insert is put in. Convective sapphire requires more space still due to airflow/pressure flow requirements as mentioned above - this necessitates a bigger nail.
New designs won't necessarily have this consideration though
weenstoned
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That's interesting to hear. Wasn't aware you could only do tiny dabs on the sapphire in an infiniti. Still curious about these new designs though.
GSH
On a Möbius plane
Just ordered a SiC dish and Sapphire insert yesterday. Looking forward to taking delivery of it!
@herbivore21 can you dab with out the sapphire insert? What is the benefit of using it?
Thanks
@herbivore21 can you dab with out the sapphire insert? What is the benefit of using it?
Thanks
herbivore21
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Here's a post where I review both my friend
Hopefully this helps, if you have any other questions I'm happy to answer too
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/d-nail-thread.11283/page-2#post-837949
Hopefully this helps, if you have any other questions I'm happy to answer too
Modnote: This post and 11 replies were merged into an existing thread.
So it is probably really time we had a d-nail thread.
Now I don't need to give too much introduction to a product whose name is synonymous with the word enail.
So I guess we should start this thread going over the product itself and some of the mind boggling array of different nail options on offer:
D-nail control units vary from the standard fare pid and power supply to a remote controlled unit, with new controllers on the way which will incorporate some as of yet unseen technologies in enails.
The currently available d-nail controllers are as follows:
D-nail 1.2 - Basic unit, XLR heater output, switches for both power and heater output modulated by a nice expensive PID. I've been using one of the DIY versions of this for a year or so now and it has never missed a beat.
D-nail 2.0 - More recent unit, copes better with factors like ambient cold and wind. Furthermore, there is a remote control supplied to turn the unit on and off. The box is smaller and the PID inside the unit can be used for many more advanced industrial/scientific applications that simple heat control - sometime in the future, I believe this functionality will be unlocked with other products provided.
Ninja Nail - Basically a d-nail 1.2 in an enclosure whose form factor fits perfectly into a pelican case. The pelican case that the ninja nail fits will fit an oil rig and your d-nail components for easily travel.
Ninja nail mini - Similar to the ninja nail, except that this pelican case is much smaller. It'll fit your dnail components/nail but is not likely to fit any kind of glass. The other major distinction between this and the Ninja Nail is that this unit uses an Auber PID, a tried and true controller, but not of the same quality as the PID's used in the 1.2 and 2.0 units. Please note for those who like me were interested in the NES custom d-nail (yup a working original nintendo with a d-nail built in) that this unit uses the Auber PID too.
NAILS:
Now many of you guys know that d-nail have some very unique nail options too:
Silicon Carbide Dish - A super inert, super strong aerospace ceramic which delivers taste better than anything I've experienced except for sapphire. Unlike sapphire and many other materials we make nails out of, you can torch the absolute shit out of SiC and not break it. It has extremely high thermal shock resistance and will withstand temps up to 3000f quite easily. The SiC dish at present is designed to sit atop ti nail bases, either the d-nail ti bases or the HE infiniti (what I use).
I would avoid the infiniti base, as I find the centre rod tends to buildup some nasty carbonized pale red gunk over time if not cleaned well every few days at least - try out one of the other nail bases which are much cheaper.
Further to this, IME SiC seems to vaporize your dab into a finer, denser aerosol than other materials. Thick, big clouds, quick vaporization and amazing taste are to be had with this product. This is a very new product and I know a lot of the claims seem outlandishly good, but I encourage you to find some way to try this product and see for yourself!
(SiC Dish with Sapphire insert on convection ledge)
Sapphire inserts - D-nail create a variety of sapphire inserts which sit in the bottom of a ti or SiC nail dish, to be dabbed upon. Sapphire is extremely high temp resistant, the tastiest material I've ever dabbed on by the longest imaginable shot. However, you shouldn't torch this except with the absolute lightest, softest end of a flame. I have cracked a sapphire insert torching it way too aggressively as I wanted to test the limits of this material (this doesn't matter, I had 3 anyway - now 2 lol).
When used in an infiniti large dish, the sapphire is delicious. However, sapphire in the bottom of the dish raises the floor of the dish, making it quite shallow and making large dabs impossible. Large dabs on this kind of conductive insert in a Ti nail will also pool over the sapphire, touching the ti and compromising the delicious sapphire flavor. I used this setup for a good few months before my SiC arrived and whilst it is amazingly tasty at super low temps (between 550-600f), it has the problems that quartz gets with pooling in this configuration. Hotter temps seem not to taste so good in this setup.
When used in the SiC dish, the sapphire insert becomes a convective platform that can be loaded with oil (which is best, smeared around the sapphire disc) and then placed on a 750f SiC nail, carbed and hit for delicious massive sublimator style clouds. This configuration is probably the tastiest way to dab that is available right now. Again, don't take my word for it, find someone who has one and try it out
Flower Adapter/Herb Nail - This is a very new product and as of yet, I have not used it.
However, I will have one any day now and probably will be the first to provide review/video on the internet of this thing. Watch this space if you are interested. For now, what I can say is that this herb nail is for vaping stuff in the chamber only, you will not be dabbing on top of this one like with a sublimator or Errlectric nail. I am told by those who created it that this was designed to be the master of herb vaping, rather than a jack of all trades and master of none. My thoughts on how it goes will be here in the not too distant future. Basically, this is a ti gr2 and glass airpath that seems reminiscent of a sublimator in a few ways, but the heater head is much smaller. Performance and flavor are both TBD. This comes with a flower chamber/slide, heater and glass stand as pictured below.
Ok, I am pretty exhausted now, hopefully this gives anyone interested a good place to start with info on D-nail's current offerings since I receive PM's left and right about these things lately (I'll get back to you guys who have pm'd when time permits of course!
I will end this post with a disclaimer that I have never made money from anybody buying a d-nail save for one that I sold second hand to a friend (who has nothing to do with FC).
I am aware that I may seem suspiciously knowledgable about these products and this may make it seem like a conflict of interest is afoot. However, I simply beta test a bunch of d-nail products and chat with the guys who design the products from time to time. I have always paid for every one of the many d-nail products I've received and there is no such conflict of interest here!
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/d-nail-thread.11283/page-2#post-837949
GSH
On a Möbius plane
Thanks mate, should have searched for another thread firstHere's a post where I review both my friend
Hopefully this helps, if you have any other questions I'm happy to answer too
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/d-nail-thread.11283/page-2#post-837949
I have been using the ceramic nail from 710whip/Domeless which has been great, but looking forward to better taste, I feel like the taste is somewhat muted compared to the smell of the concentrates.
Anyway, cheers!
herbivore21
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All good brother! It is a wonderful rig in either case, sapphire is great, sic is great, just gives you two new ways to dab that are both better than any other way that we used to dab in their own rightsThanks mate, should have searched for another thread first
I have been using the ceramic nail from 710whip/Domeless which has been great, but looking forward to better taste, I feel like the taste is somewhat muted compared to the smell of the concentrates.
Anyway, cheers!
Monsoon
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The HE clone should work with the SiC Dish.
I hope they at least post clear warnings about safe use, though I'm guessing it's a small minority that use a propane torch.
I used it with and without for an extended period of time and the sapphire has much better taste and keeps the nail cleaner. I just kept it heated on the nail all the time which is easier to manage. The insert broke last week, noticed the taste difference the most switching back. It's still excellent flavor just it's maybe missing the finer notes in the background. I'm currently dabbing on the SiC dish at around 650-700F, I pop the carb cap on and then pull until it's done.
Keep in mind he's talking about SiN and not SiC. As far as I know, the only company currently using SiN is VaporBrothers in their VB2.5. But that's in a device that will NEVER be torched or turned that hot. The only nails I've seen that are using one of the space age ceramics is the d-nail SiC nail, which itself shouldn't have any real problems considering SiC has a substantially higher melt point than titanium.
herbivore21
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Actually, I'm talking about the SiN Hive ceramics torch only nail that they posted about on their instagram account. IMO this is a really fucking bad idea. I have seen so many youtube vids of people using propane torches as they are often the cheapest torch you can find at the hardware store. I know quite a few people personally who use them too.
Please be careful people. I would avoid this product altogether to be honest - SiN's high heat conductivity is gonna put heaps of heat on the joint of your piece/dropdown if you torch zealously too.
If you want SiN, wait for an enail option. Just get one of the current or future SiC offerings if you need torch functionality - SiC has a higher melting point and oxidation of this material creates a protective quartz layer and won't give you that ammonia risk! I doubt SiC is gonna be more expensive than SiN will be too.
The VB 2.5 is not any real concern concern with regard to oxidative degradation of SiN at all, the only risk being potential cumulative oxidative degradation after a hell of a long time of use (no doubt many years or more) at lower temps than the melting point.
Monsoon
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D-Nail announced a new machined quartz dish, looks like the same size as the SiC Dish but quartz.
Some additional info I dug up on social media:
Some additional info I dug up on social media:
Advantage/disadvantage vs SiC is going to be tricky. SiC is more durable. Both are going to accent different flavor profiles, and there are super subtle differences in the physical dimensions that are going to... facilitate different flavor profiles.
Especially when we have ti, SiC, tooled quartz, and sapphire versions of the same dish, we'll be able to flesh out the body of information for comparative flavor analysis
(Right now, we did them to do them. There's some sound theory behind how the worked surface will affect performance, but it's early)
We only have 100 available for this first batch. They'll prolly be up on the site tomorrow (Friday).
Especially when we have ti, SiC, tooled quartz, and sapphire versions of the same dish, we'll be able to flesh out the body of information for comparative flavor analysis
(Right now, we did them to do them. There's some sound theory behind how the worked surface will affect performance, but it's early)
We only have 100 available for this first batch. They'll prolly be up on the site tomorrow (Friday).
herbivore21
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I'll have the quartz and sapphire ones out here as soon as they ship and arrive, reviews will be over in the d-nail threadD-Nail announced a new machined quartz dish, looks like the same size as the SiC Dish but quartz.
Some additional info I dug up on social media:
Advantage/disadvantage vs SiC is going to be tricky. SiC is more durable. Both are going to accent different flavor profiles, and there are super subtle differences in the physical dimensions that are going to... facilitate different flavor profiles.
Especially when we have ti, SiC, tooled quartz, and sapphire versions of the same dish, we'll be able to flesh out the body of information for comparative flavor analysis
(Right now, we did them to do them. There's some sound theory behind how the worked surface will affect performance, but it's early)
We only have 100 available for this first batch. They'll prolly be up on the site tomorrow (Friday).
I'm told by the man himself that this is basically the last thing that can be done to make quartz work better for dabbing. Can't wait to see if it measures up
mixchu69
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Any thoughts? Looks interesting (even though I have no idea what is going on).
http://www.d-nail.com/nails/quartz/j-red-e-diamond-knot
http://www.d-nail.com/nails/quartz/j-red-e-diamond-knot
herbivore21
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An FCer and I were just chatting about those the other day too! I actually didn't know this was coming til it was there.
I've seen them in action in a bunch of vids, seems to function as advertised - basically there's a bunch of well heated better heat retaining than a big dish sized nooks in the quartz head, as you can see in the pic. The idea is that you don't need to use a carb because the oil is necessarily separated into enough small parts to vaporize quickly
Monsoon
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After seeing the fragility of the insert I was surprised to see them set to offer an entire dish made out of it. Would size matter in that case? Either way it's cool that they're coming out with so much new and innovative stuff lately, can't wait to see what's next.I'll have the quartz and sapphire ones out here as soon as they ship and arrive, reviews will be over in the d-nail thread
I'm told by the man himself that this is basically the last thing that can be done to make quartz work better for dabbing. Can't wait to see if it measures up
herbivore21
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lol man it's not fragility - it's lack of thermal shock resistance that made you break it with your torch like I did. This is why the box says don't torch it
Sapphire actually resists higher temps than SiC (500f higher according to d-nail site for the insert)! In this sense it is actually more robust than SiC!
Monsoon
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Gotcha. I'll probably avoid the sapphire dish since I like torching my nails clean too much.lol man it's not fragility - it's lack of thermal shock resistance that made you break it with your torch like I did. This is why the box says don't torch it
Do you happen to know if there would be any issue/disadvantage to using the Ti carb cap instead of a quartz one on the new quartz dish?
herbivore21
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Yup I only ever needed ISO to clean quartz, maybe a slight bit of heat from hot water lol.
Same with sapphire, there isn't really a need for torching, I just liked torching it clean lol.
I would never torch expensive quartz knowing what I know now about thermal degradation of that material and the temps of even butane torch flames!
mixchu69
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Man, I have been torching my pukinbeagle Quartz nail all the time to clean. I have the 20mm direct inject, which states it can be used with enail or torched. Any thoughts?