New Portable H Enail with built in glass bubbler by Green Light Vapes

[salivape]

So have they fixed problem of the solder being directly on the ceramic rod or did we conclude that it's not much of an issue? It's not exactly in the airpath (assuming the nail is a tight fit) but I can see why the more health conscious of us would be concerned.

edit: Just noticed the 3 holes around the nail on the ceramic version that isn't on the original. DO we know what the purpose of those are? And does that mean that the hot solder is in fact now in the airpath?

 

[zikzak]

So have they fixed problem of the solder being directly on the ceramic rod or did we conclude that it's not much of an issue? It's not exactly in the airpath (assuming the nail is a tight fit) but I can see why the more health conscious of us would be concerned.

edit: Just noticed the 3 holes around the nail on the ceramic version that isn't on the original. DO we know what the purpose of those are? And does that mean that the hot solder is in fact now in the airpath?

I'll take some more pics when I'm home. Yes, the solder is connected to the rod, but pretty far down in the unit..actually a surprising depth downward. Nonetheless, I looked at it at first and had similar thoughts running through my head.

BUT.... that leads into the next thing which is a huge upside and you also eluded to. The three holes are actually secure points where the metal receiving surround that nail secures into is placed. The receiving surround has three exterior metal points that match that three holed pattern in the ceramic you're noticing and thus the receiving surround slots into the pattern and can't rotate after that. It is a very tight fit, there is no tolerance or gap. It's not coming out unless I get my dremel out.

This leads me to my last point about it. When the nail is screwed in and mated to the ceramic heating element (yes, that word choice is odd, but when you have this in hand and a practical example of what I'm saying, it's easy to understand) the fit is secure. There is no wiggle, slack or anything. It's honestly surprising how many threads engage and the ceramic element has to be at the very top of the inner post of the nail...as that post on the nail is displaying charasterstics of being much hotter right away when engaging the first cycle than what the previous iteration could have even come close to just due to the nature of the design alone. Although I'm no scientist and can't be certain of anything, based on observations and looking at how everything comes together, I would find it very hard to believe that any off-gasing or fumes from the solder could make their way out of the chamber below the nail once it is secure. Like I said, that's just on visual appearance and I can't see at a molecular level to be assure there is no potential there for issues, but I've been around lots of solder, circuit boards, etc in my day and I'm not picking up on any of those familiar smells (one evening of testing, so nothing thorough by any means).

To sum it up, I'm not worried about the solder that connects to the heating element because of how tight the fittings are and that chamber seems contained when the nail is on.

The three holes are actually placement slots for the metal surround/shroud to be secured with. They only go down maybe 1-2mm at the most and do not allow any airflow.

Any photo requests or further questions...shoot 'em my way.

 

[salivape]

Thanks @zikzak for taking the time to respond. It all seems quite promising from where I'm standing. I can see what you mean about the shroud now that you've pointed it out.

I'm also not too concerned about the solder now I know the nail is snug and those 3 holes get filled. I can't see any fumes escaping there.

I was finding temp 1 just a few degrees too cool to finish a dab so I'm also pretty pleased to hear it seems a touch hotter now.

Sounds they're finally getting it together. It's definitely a winning design it's just a shame it took lots of wasted money and unhappy customers to get there.

 

[subway13029]

How much are you guys paying for these units..seems g9 rep alwayd trys to pull fast one on me and way overcharge for.a "sample"unit..only decent price if i buy 11 or so..

 

[zikzak]

I was finding temp 1 just a few degrees too cool to finish a dab so I'm also pretty pleased to hear it seems a touch hotter now.

You're right on the money. In terms of usability, I have no need to get to the third cycle. That's with either the normal dab from the top methodology or pre-loading and heating it up.

To me...the sweet spot is right in between the first and second cycle with this new version. I found myself having to use all three cycles to clear a nothing out of the ordinary pre-load.

That's one thing G9 or someone could opportunize on... a litany of nail options ...a wider platter for instance. I know the ceramic one is coming out...but there's enough room in the chamber surround by the glass attachment for more platter space on the nails now, especially with this more efficient heat dispersion. On the old setup, i could see the reasoning behind these narrow/small nails. Now, conduction isn't near the issue.

 

[tylerj55]

Anybody looking into getting a Cloud Electro I would refrain from doing so! I tore one of the nails apart and it is full of teflon and wires. It also seemed like the outside coating was melting when I torched the so called "titanium" nail. I am at work now, will post pics later. I also posted this information on reddit.

 

[Hoosier]

First, sorry for my grubby fingers and nail.. sigh, macro shots pick up everything!

So, this is the updated G9 Greenlight H-ENAIL with the ceramic top and screw in nail. I received it yesterday and used it throughout last night. As you can see the ceramic top is a little bit shorter than the PTFE top (some of the pics below are deceiving as the magnetic base is on the newer device making the overall height seem equal).

The ceramic is the real deal and as you can see the ceramic heating element is taller, along with the screw in nail rather than just using gravity to secure it to the device and element. I was wondering if efficiency, heating times, and overall functionality would be improved by this and it has. Heat times, getting up to the third heat cycle if you wish... using it a manner where you pre-load and just use the hole on the carb cap to sip hits so to speak as you cycle the device through heat levels-- it all works much more efficiently.

I didn't get my clock app out or anything, but I might sometime this weak and show a short video of the two devices without the glass top on going through said cycles to show how drastically it does shorten the times until the green light appears. This in essence also allow those using it in the traditional manner to have a much hotter/dabbable nail even in the first cycle (as opposed to melting the product and simmering it down when you're wanting a direct hit all in one... at least thats what i found on the older version.

1) Safer design to squash any worries -- no off smells, just pure low temp terps thus far

2) Much better contact of nail to the ceramic heating element, along with the element protruding more enhancing the coupling w/ the nail.

I'm very happy about this option and getting the HENAIL back into my lineup of items after I had written it off a few weeks back. Big shout out to edabsdirect and the excellent CS they've provided!

Thanks for being the Guinea pig on this one. I have also been bummed with my h-enail on the sideline since the tear apart. Ok, I'll admit, I still used it one a week with the load and heat low temp method...but that was a far cry from the daily driving I had been using. I saw the upgrade as well, but didn't want to get bitten again and throw good-money after bad.

Excited to get my upgrade kit now as well, and my only disappointment right now is that it won't likely be here for a few more days!

 

[tylerj55]

Pictures of the Cloud Electro "nail" torn apart are included here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/q1se1j0l6qzl7an/AAA8cPYQu4ZGn2Wnqqgi8IpKa?dl=0

I am no expert, but this seems like it could be just as bad, if not worse than the Green Light issue since the teflon is in the nail!!!

 

[CarbonFiberGuy]

Looks like electro doesn't even use the ceramic rod method to heat . No wonder that other member said that his nails were going bad

 

[tylerj55]

Yeah, this device is complete and utter shit. The Green Light and rebrands are a much better option.

 

[CarbonFiberGuy]

Yeah I'm waiting for the pro upgrade kit to be the deal of the day on edabsdirect. Then I'm going to get it , and start using my unit again .

http://edabsdirect.com/collections/...h-enail-dabbie-bolt-boost?variant=11386404485

 

[tylerj55]

UPDATE FROM REDDIT:
Update: I posted a link to this reddit post on their instagram pics and they blocked me! That was expected, should have screen shotted that. I did however take a screenshot of the review I posted to vape-smart.com where I let people know the nail was trash and they removed it or didn't approve it. Here is that screenshot:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bnodu58uo9qgq80/2016-03-06 16.31.23.jpg?dl=0

Link to webpage:
http://vape-smart.com/shop/cloud-v-electro-e-nail/

 

[VAPEHUNTER]

I was just getting ready to do a dab, figured since I would most likely be upgrading to the ceramic head soon I might as well use the second nail that came with the kit. I gave it one cycle to burn off any leftover factory shit then I gave it one cycle with some reclaim to "season the nail". I was planning on cleaning it before my first real dab and when I tried pulling off the nail the whole ceramic heating rod pulled out. It's like the ceramic rod fused to the nail. Guess I'll be ordering the upgrade kit sooner then expected.

 

[jim-bob]

Sorry, i'm not sure which thread to be posting in: is there a safe version of this thing out there yet? If so, whose logo is on it?

 

[tylerj55]

Sorry, i'm not sure which thread to be posting in: is there a safe version of this thing out there yet? If so, whose logo is on it?

I know the Dr. Dabber Boost is my preferred unit right now, mainly because it includes 1 titanium nail and 1 ceramic nail.

Whatever you do, don't get the Cloud Electro

 

[VAPEHUNTER]

From my understanding the unit with a ceramic head is the "safe" version. If you already own one you can upgrade here.
http://edabsdirect.com/collections/...h-enail-dabbie-bolt-boost?variant=11386404485

 

[jim-bob]

I know the Dr. Dabber Boost is my preferred unit right now, mainly because it includes 1 titanium nail and 1 ceramic nail.

Whatever you do, don't get the Cloud Electro

Yeah, I saw the tear-down - I think I can skip that one for sure.
Thanks.

 

[Chill Dude]

Anybody looking into getting a Cloud Electro I would refrain from doing so! I tore one of the nails apart and it is full of teflon and wires. It also seemed like the outside coating was melting when I torched the so called "titanium" nail. I am at work now, will post pics later. I also posted this information on reddit.

Too bad about your non functioning nail. I have the electro and have been using the same nail over the last month without any issues. The nail woks very well and I have not noticed any melting at all. As far as teflon and wires are concerned, if it's well below the nail, I wouldn't think there would be any health concern..if you're worried about it just contact the cloud people. I'm sure they will clarify what grade of titanium the nails are made of and the heat resistance characteristics of the materials below the nail. I'm uncertain how much heat will actually occur beneath the nail.

Until we know the material specs and heat resistance specs; we are only speculating as to the safety of this device.

 

[tylerj55]

Too bad about your non functioning nail. I have the electro and have been using the same nail over the last month without any issues. The nail woks very well and I have not noticed any melting at all. As far as teflon and wires are concerned, if it's well below the nail, I wouldn't think there would be any health concern..if you're worried about it just contact the cloud people. I'm sure they will clarify what grade of titanium the nails are made of and the heat resistance characteristics of the materials below the nail. I'm uncertain how much heat will actually occur beneath the nail.

Until we know the material specs and heat resistance specs; we are only speculating as to the safety of this device.

I am posting this so people know, and honestly burning teflon is definitely a health concern. You are happy with your device and that is great, however some people have greater concern for their health then you do and will be happy to hear this information as they can now avoid this device. Why do you think it was such a big deal witht the green light e-nail? And this is worse, considering the nail that holds the teflon gets to 1000 degrees, and not just just close to it like the green light one. You should keep using it if you are satisfied, but I and I'm sure many others would rather avoid this product, at least until they explain this shit. Health is usually the biggest reason people switch to vaping so this is a high concern for many.

 

[Hoosier]

I am posting this so people know, and honestly burning teflon is definitely a health concern. You are happy with your device and that is great, however some people have greater concern for their health then you do and will be happy to hear this information as they can now avoid this device. Why do you think it was such a big deal witht the green light e-nail? And this is worse, considering the nail that holds the teflon gets to 1000 degrees, and not just just close to it like the green light one. You should keep using it if you are satisfied, but I and I'm sure many others would rather avoid this product, at least until they explain this shit. Health is usually the biggest reason people switch to vaping so this is a high concern for many.

If you really want people to know about it, it would probably help to start a new thread for the cloud v--as of now, the only ones seeing this are followers of the greenlight thread...

 

[tylerj55]

If you really want people to know about it, it would probably help to start a new thread for the cloud v--as of now, the only ones seeing this are followers of the greenlight thread...

Alright. Good call, will do so shortly. Thanks for your suggestion!

 

[FlyingLow]

was originally interested in one of these various brands of H enails, but dayum if I am not just hesitant.

Concept looks awesome, but as I read I keep thinking they have fixed their issues and I read on to see units falling apart. Again I LOVE this concept and want to jump into one, but between the safety concerns and now quality issues, I just don't trust buying it.

 

[Hoosier]

was originally interested in one of these various brands of H enails, but dayum if I am not just hesitant.

Concept looks awesome, but as I read I keep thinking they have fixed their issues and I read on to see units falling apart. Again I LOVE this concept and want to jump into one, but between the safety concerns and now quality issues, I just don't trust buying it.

Where did you see an h-enail falling apart? I hadn't seen that report yet.

 

[FlyingLow]

Perhaps falling apart is a bit harsh, but was referring to vapehunters pic above in post #363

 

[Hoosier]

Perhaps falling apart is a bit harsh, but was referring to vapehunters pic above in post #363

Oh, I completely forgot about that...I pretty much chalked vape hunters photo as thermal expansion/contraction when I first saw it. The greenlight instructions suggested heating the nail up, then prying it upwards, then letting it cool down before removing completely.