My next portable on-demand vaporizer

[GymWolf]

@GymWolf I'm late to the thread today so I'm not sure what the open question is, TM is minimal maintenance, depending how you use it exactly, like I am using glass stem WPA through other glass pieces, hardly ever have to clean anything, with the cooling unit you have to clean more... I also have Phineas cooling glass stems to use instead of that stock setup now... Yes I milk bowls, I start as low as possible on the dial, and move it up tiny bit by tiny bit for each hit, but you're still not going to get 30 hits which is I think what you were asking for? I don't think you're going to get 20, closer to 12 max probably? No starting required, but if you load too much, then you will need to stir, though you probably would get more hits then... And yeah you never know if you will have problems, I just don't want you to spend all the money and get mad, plenty of people buy it and love it out of the box, but some people get defects and some people struggle, nothing is for everyone and nothing is perfect, typically...

Pushing you towards the Air Max, was because you seem to really want to milk a bowl, and that has very slow extraction, yes to eat up is slower, but they have sped it up to where it is about 15 seconds now I think? Certainly not on demand, but I don't know that's what I said about having to compromise, every vape is going to be a compromise, you may want to compromise on the on-demand feature itself...

TM is a little faster to heat up than X-Max probably, but it's still not instant on demand, exactly, depends on the temp settings and the battery level, but generally it is faster and I consider it instant for my needs, I'm just saying it's not like a Hopper IO at all or a Tafée Bowle (those are truly instant, like sticky bricks)

Not sure if I missed anything, but yes the TM is still my overall favorite, most versatile and effective and flavorful, some of the best vapor quality the way I use it. If I had to have just one vape, this would be it...

If you could score a splinter, preset up with a mod, that might be an ideal, although it still wouldn't be as simple and portable per se, durable, in a sense, but slowing down your session would be perfect potentially (also great vapor quality)

I'm really changing my idea about what to buy every 30 min or so

Right now i'm on the xmax side again, i'm rewatching all the reviews and previews from troy and sneakypete (or really everyone who reviewed these 2 devices) and i can't take a decision to save my life (or my weed in this case)
A lot of reviews says that with the TM stirring is required or you get the burned ring of death in your load, i saw some pics and it doens't look good or even, and i hate stirring, especially with a device where the weed can fall down into the heater if not well packed.

Does the xmax 3 hit at least as strong as a solo\air\fierce, if yes then that's plenty enough to keep me away from combustion, but i'm super curious to try a super heavy hitter, the heaviest hitter i had was my faulty inhlater xp (but that thing was combusting most probably) and a grasshopper but that one had such an harsh vapor that the heavy hits were more painfull than pleasing.

I love\hate researching for new vapes to buy

I have to decide today, if i'm lucky maybe they are gonna ship the device before the week end.

P.s. i would never hate anyone in here for the advices i got, in the end nobody is forcing my hand and every bit of info is well appreciated.

 

[Abele Rizieri Ferrari]

As price isn't really an issue, why not go with two devices? The v3 pro and a heavier one, could be desktop or butane powered to mix it up. This would probably make it easier to get you the experience(s) you're looking for. Maybe a SBL jr or something like that?

E: I find my v3 pro wat more efficient than any Arizer I've ever had (tho I have fond memories of them).

 

[GymWolf]

As price isn't really an issue, why not go with two devices? The v3 pro and a heavier one, could be desktop or butane powered to mix it up. This would probably make it easier to get you the experience(s) you're looking for. Maybe a SBL jr or something like that?

One of my plans was to get a volcano for home use since in the very end, ballons are just like gigantic joints and the device is pure convection and on demand and i personally tested in amsterdam how much i can prolong a big load of weed on that thing, and a portable for when i don't wanna fuss with pre-heat or i want something for outside or when i'm in bed etc.

The fact is, i'm not sure if i can defeat combustion, i just love smoking joints so much so i don't wanna spend a shitload of money on 2 devices just to discover that it was all for nothing, and believe me i wasted a buckload of money already in the past with vapes, but now vapes are more mature and there are more options for on demand heavy hitter, add to that the absurd prices for the weed here where i live and i thought about giving another shot to vaporization.

It's not like i'm super rich or something

IF i can get completely away from combustion for a while, then i'm probably gonna upgrade my arsenal with an anvil and probably a volcano.

I could get an xmax 3 and a classic volcano for like 400 euros but i really wanted to try the hybrid one since it's a big upgrade.

 

[boon]

Should i suggest the vapman?
It's the vape that made me stop smoking... Butane powered but without inhaling while it's heated. After the lurning curve you can sip on it or kill the load on 1or 2 hit.
As @Abele Rizieri Ferrari said or a combo V3 pro +vapman

 

[Shit Snacks]

I'm really changing my idea about what to buy every 30 min or so

Right now i'm on the xmax side again, i'm rewatching all the reviews and previews from troy and sneakypete (or really everyone who reviewed these 2 devices) and i can't take a decision to save my life (or my weed in this case)
A lot of reviews says that with the TM stirring is required or you get the burned ring of death in your load, i saw some pics and it doens't look good or even, and i hate stirring, especially with a device where the weed can fall down into the heater if not well packed.

Does the xmax 3 hit at least as strong as a solo\air\fierce, if yes then that's plenty enough to keep me away from combustion, but i'm super curious to try a super heavy hitter, the heaviest hitter i had was my faulty inhlater xp (but that thing was combusting most probably) and a grasshopper but that one had such an harsh vapor that the heavy hits were more painfull than pleasing.

I love\hate researching for new vapes to buy

I have to decide today, if i'm lucky maybe they are gonna ship the device before the week end.

P.s. i would never hate anyone in here for the advices i got, in the end nobody is forcing my hand and every bit of info is well appreciated.

Well the TM may be out of stock now, but I'm sure it will come back in stock soon, that happens a lot, I would not order anywhere except the official website...

In my opinion the V3 pro definitely hits harder than Arizer and fierce, but there is a bit more technique involved is all? Since you are creating more of the vapor with just your inhale, need to adjust... Those other two are making the vapor for you, with some added inhale, so it's different experience, and the high is a bit different I suppose?

Yeah I still think the X-Max V3pro is a great option for you, both it and TM are much better than GH in many different ways, not sure anything is quite like the inhalator anymore really...

If you're still smoking joints you might always feel like you're missing something from vapes, very different experiences, I can't smoke joints anymore, too gross and wasteful lol

 

[GymWolf]

Well the TM may be out of stock now, but I'm sure it will come back in stock soon, that happens a lot, I would not order anywhere except the official website...

In my opinion the V3 pro definitely hits harder than Arizer and fierce, but there is a bit more technique involved is all? Since you are creating more of the vapor with just your inhale, need to adjust... Those other two are making the vapor for you, with some added inhale, so it's different experience, and the high is a bit different I suppose?

Yeah I still think the X-Max V3pro is a great option for you, both it and TM are much better than GH in many different ways, not sure anything is quite like the inhalator anymore really...

If you're still smoking joints you might always feel like you're missing something from vapes, very different experiences, I can't smoke joints anymore, too gross and wasteful lol

Back in the days i completely stopped combusting for like 1 year and a half but then i started combusting again because i visited amsterdam and vapes were not good to smoke hard hash and i hated the cotton\hemp method, after the trip it was a fast fall down to complete combustion once again.

The TM is in stock on la central vapoeur and they are an official seller for people that are interested in a TM in europe.

Yeah i think i'm gonna end picking up an xmax and probably a conduction heater for my dynavap since that one kinda gives me the joint ritual but i hate the whole torch thing, and maybe an omni or anvil, or a volcano.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Back in the days i completely stopped combusting for like 1 year and a half but then i started combusting again because i visited amsterdam and vapes were not good to smoke hard hash and i hated the cotton\hemp method, after the trip it was a fast fall down to complete combustion once again.

I would think the verdamper can extract from anything, but I know hash is always tricky, especially loading, and that is not a portable lol

The TM is in stock on la central vapoeur and they are an official seller for people that are interested in a TM in europe.

Well Finland is in Europe, and that is where they're normally sold from direct from manufacturer, it's possible these are official warranty supported units, I would just prefer to buy direct myself...

Yeah i think i'm gonna end picking up an xmax and probably a conduction heater for my dynavap since that one kinda gives me the joint ritual but i hate the whole torch thing, and maybe an omni or anvil, or a volcano.

Nice, yeah good budget play, spread out the money, see what you like, I don't use any of my torch vapes anymore, if I use a torch it's just for a dab really now, vapcap is just a novelty for me I have the OG all glass version and could never get on with the early metal tips or Omni OG so got rid of them, but I've never tried an induction heater... Kind of just don't feel like investigating lol Would like to try the anvil someday, new hotness everyone's talking about right? Volcano so old though, could never bring myself to spend that money on it, I prefer my own plug-in units (Cloud Connoisseur, Collyland, Heat Island) and would prob get XQ2 sooner

 

[GymWolf]

I would think the verdamper can extract from anything, but I know hash is always tricky, especially loading, and that is not a portable lol



Well Finland is in Europe, and that is where they're normally sold from direct from manufacturer, it's possible these are official warranty supported units, I would just prefer to buy direct myself...



Nice, yeah good budget play, spread out the money, see what you like, I don't use any of my torch vapes anymore, if I use a torch it's just for a dab really now, vapcap is just a novelty for me I have the OG all glass version and could never get on with the early metal tips or Omni OG so got rid of them, but I've never tried an induction heater... Kind of just don't feel like investigating lol Would like to try the anvil someday, new hotness everyone's talking about right? Volcano so old though, could never bring myself to spend that money on it, I prefer my own plug-in units (Cloud Connoisseur, Collyland, Heat Island) and would prob get XQ2 sooner

Volcano is a beast, and the ballons are so practical, you fill one, put on the side and just draw when you feel the need and i LOVE that easy valve system, it really is the closest thing to smoking a joint (well a big ass joint)

Also the extraction is extraordinary, in amsterdam i destroyed myself and 2 veteran smokers (we talk 10 gr a day veteran) with like 2 gr of weed in the bowl and step temp of 5 degrees each starting from 160 to max temp, unlimited number of hits.

The only downside is that i'm not sure how it's gonna work with way less weed, like .5-1 gr.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Volcano is a beast, and the ballons are so practical, you fill one, put on the side and just draw when you feel like it.

Also the extraction is extraordinary, in amsterdam i destroyed myself and 2 veteran smokers (we talk 10 gr a day veteran) with like 1,5-2 gr of weed in the bowl and step temp of 5 degrees each starting from 160 to max temp, unlimited number of hits.

Oh yeah, that pump, the other bag units rely on a fan which is just not the same... However I disagree about the practicality of the balloons, using it the way you describe, a lot of vapor would be condensing in the bag, wasting... Also vapor just sitting there, gets stale, not as good as fresh flavor, I'd rather take multiple one hitter stem bowls, enjoying the flavor, than puffing on a full bag myself! I think the bag is great, when you are sharing it with people, to pass it full of vapor to just inhale, when you're not trying to be super efficient either, partially psychological lol

 

[GymWolf]

Oh yeah, that pump, the other bag units rely on a fan which is just not the same... However I disagree about the practicality of the balloons, using it the way you describe, a lot of vapor would be condensing in the bag, wasting... Also vapor just sitting there, gets stale, not as good as fresh flavor, I'd rather take multiple one hitter stem bowls, enjoying the flavor, than puffing on a full bag myself! I think the bag is great, when you are sharing it with people, to pass it full of vapor to just inhale, when you're not trying to be super efficient either, partially psychological lol

Yeah i explained myself wrong, i know that it is not ideal to leave the vapor inside the bag, i would probably terminate a ballon in like 4-5 hits in a span of 5 min, and then when i feel like i have the crave again i just fill another ballon which is incredibly fast.

Not perfectly on demand but pretty close, and the easy valve make taking draws super fast and comfy, probably my favourite type of mouthpiece, you just press your lips against the valve and you get vapor.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Yeah i explained myself wrong, i know that it is not ideal to leave the vapor inside the bag, i would probably terminate a ballon in like 4-5 hits in a span of 5 min, and then when i feel like i have the crave again i just fill another ballon which is incredibly fast.

Not perfectly on demand but pretty close, and the easy valve make taking draws super fast and comfy, probably my favourite type of mouthpiece, you just press your lips against the valve and you get vapor.

Yeah it has its benefits certainly!

 

[Abele Rizieri Ferrari]

I would think the verdamper can extract from anything

Also look at Vaponic @GymWolf for cheap hash vaping in jointish style. (Does include butane, no direct flame tho.) Might become my next vape.

probably a conduction heater for my dynavap

I've never tried an induction heater

I tried several stems and caps with several IH's to which I had unlimited access but it just never clicked (like, figuratively lol). Without IH always put me off tho as I've kind of been evading the whole butane since I can remember. But like you guys I'm also interested in Anvil and will definitely have to try one sooner or later, and from how it appears I don't think I would want an IH for it. Flame just allows for more control.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Also look at Vaponic @GymWolf for cheap hash vaping in jointish style. (Does include butane, no direct flame tho.) Might become my next vape.

Worth mentioning to check out the Rogue wax works' glass section as he has a lot of similar effective vape options avail now!

 

[Vaporware]

Don’t worry about things falling into the TM heater too much. In all of these types of devices there is a screen below the stem and above the heater.

I can’t tell for sure what will work for you and keep you from going back to combustion, but if what you need is power the TM, Anvil, etc. should give you hard hits and a TM at low temps (or with temp stepping) should give you a fair amount of hits on demand.

Personally I would buy the TM and just plan to use smaller loads more often. Stem loading is easy, especially if you’re okay with sucking flower up into it, so unless it’s all about the act of taking a hit over and over I would worry less about how many hits you can get out of one stem and more about how many stems you need to use to get where you want/need to be.

I think the TM is still easy to resell too, so if you’re worried you might want to go in a different direction I wouldn’t worry too much there. Just maybe don’t buy every accessory in existence until you know you like it.

 

[GymWolf]

Don’t worry about things falling into the TM heater too much. In all of these types of devices there is a screen below the stem and above the heater.

I can’t tell for sure what will work for you and keep you from going back to combustion, but if what you need is power the TM, Anvil, etc. should give you hard hits and a TM at low temps (or with temp stepping) should give you a fair amount of hits on demand.

Personally I would buy the TM and just plan to use smaller loads more often. Stem loading is easy, especially if you’re okay with sucking flower up into it, so unless it’s all about the act of taking a hit over and over I would worry less about how many hits you can get out of one stem and more about how many stems you need to use to get where you want/need to be.

I think the TM is still easy to resell too, so if you’re worried you might want to go in a different direction I wouldn’t worry too much there. Just maybe don’t buy every accessory in existence until you know you like it.

It's hard to explain my irregular smoke habits, but let's just say that i prefer being medium stoned for 3-4 hours with less stirring or unloading and loading multiple bowls than being heavy stoned and having to do more stirring and unloading\loading (of course if i can get heavy stoned and no fuss is even better)

It's a big deal not having to worry about nothing when i vape, that's why also like a vaporizer who can milk a bowl for many hits with temp step.

I work 8 hours every day, so when i'm at home, smoking or vaping doens't have to require any additional job, if you catch my drift.

I think this is one of the aspect why combustion always won for me, i just pre-roll 2-3 joints, pick a lighter and i'm set for the entire night, and every hit require no more than 2-3 seconds and no waste when i'm not hitting (well almost zero waste).

P.s. I'm trying to search a pic of the TM heater to see if there is a screen or not.

 

[Shit Snacks]

P.s. I'm trying to search a pic of the TM heater to see if there is a screen or not.

The heater is stainless steel crimped ribbon in a spiral, with ceramic posts through it to maintain shape and insulate, there is indeed a screen over the heater, stainless steel mesh, within a retainer ring. By unscrewing the top retainer ring, removing the thick o-ring, and then the metal sheath tube, you can then empty out that heater screen and retainer ring (some like to flip the retainer ring for extra protection from accidentally pushing screen through to the heater if you are not careful forcing a stem in further than it should go... Others like to put a rammed basket screen inverted there, to ensure their load is further from the heater and added protection, as they claim more even extraction for them too, perhaps with larger loads in particular) This is the process for initial cleaning when it arrives, should never really need to do it again, I've only done it once and it took like a year and there's not really any difference or much that gets dirty with normal use for me... Also I always take first hits upside down, with glass stem vapes, after the first hit with pure convection on demand and a nice consistent grind loaded, gentle tamp, the load will be completely seated in the stem, so nothing will fall out, I am extra careful about any crumbs getting on the heater screen for no reason other than ocd, so this has been my method for a long time (and I am often using it upside down through hooks anyway, but like when I'm not I just take that first hit upside down, then the load is fully seated and I can hold it anyway which way)

Honestly for your needs, the TM would be excellent, it is top-tier pure convection on demand, it has the fewest compromises in my experience with most of these style of portable vapes... However you may also really enjoy the xmax (or xlux) for what they are, the lower price point, pretty impressive performance considering, definitely capable of peer convection on demand as well with their own benefits and trade-offs... Likely you end up with all three (and more) eventually!

 

[Squidge]

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Video - by George from Vapefiend

 

[bossman]

Tinymight with a j-hook for home just so you know what you'd have been missing. I prefer removing and soaking the wpa to trying to keep the V3 chamber clean and taking breaks with half-baked weed is an easy way to dirty a steel chamber

The uneven abv you've read about is likely from people ripping higher and harder than you plan to do. When you temp step on a TM you don't need to stir

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[GymWolf]

Tinymight with a j-hook for home just so you know what you'd have been missing. I prefer removing and soaking the wpa to trying to keep the V3 chamber clean and taking breaks with half-baked weed is an easy way to dirty a steel chamber

The uneven abv you've read about is likely from people ripping higher and harder than you plan to do. When you temp step on a TM you don't need to stir

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I mean...with temp step i'm gonna reach the 220-230 range and i always do big long hits, so i'm gonna do what these people do eventually during the temp step.

But maybe you meant that this people start with high temps and that's why the abv is uneven and need stirring.

Shit dude you are not making this easy at all


P.s. i'm never gonna use such a long stem, i still have nightmares from my solo and that thing looks massive.

I like well made built-in minimal mouthpieces with decent cooling instead, i'm just a minimalist.

@Squidge you have big balls sir, thanks for the pics.
Do they send the canapa bag without any external box to protect the whole thing? isn't risky with a glass mouthpiece exposed?

 

[bossman]

The square peg for me is the 20 to 30 hits notion. The Tinymight's whole niche is that it's such a tidy, elegant package with not quite the power of a desktop but real speedy extraction from the first hit. You can cache a bowl in a few hits and keep batteries on hand to never be without it. I love that they also gave the V3 Pro a replaceable 18650. The V3 doesn't have the horsepower to compete for effortless big clouds and in my experience you kind of always want the cell to be full to not be waiting on the heater as much.

They really are both great. The cooling unit on the TM stem clogs too quickly and robs flavor so the j-hook brings better flavor and much lower maintenance.

It bears mentioning that the V3 is capable with j-hooks and bubblers too, it's just the heater isn't nearly as powerful and you load the weed in the chamber rather than the glass stem

 

[Vaporware]

If you take the last hit at a high temp and you’re done that’s fine. It probably is people who start at high temps and try to get full extraction who find it uneven.

Remember the heat is all coming through the bowl in one direction, so whatever is closest to the heat is going to cook faster. It may not be noticeable with slow extraction, but if you’re running it so hot that you can almost blacken the stuff closest to the heater, you’ll probably notice.

If everything is close to done by the time you turn it up that much though, it can’t hurt the rest of the session.

I’m sure the same thing is happening over and over in a joint where whatever is closest to the heat will be overcooked on every draw, but by the next draw it will be what’s burning.

Fortunately with a convection heater powered by electricity we can adjust that heat down to the point where it doesn’t immediately overcook anything.

Using the TM with a j-hook or any other glass you like is a solid idea and keeps you from having to clean the (optional) cooling unit, but if you don’t like that you might look into dimpled stems or something that would help with cooling. Otherwise the cooling unit is the other piece you have to clean in the TM which I forgot about. It’s not a big deal, and you can always get extras to use while one is dirty, but you’d have to decide whether or not you like the default cooling method.

 

[Squidge]

...@Squidge you have big balls sir, thanks for the pics.
Do they send the canapa bag without any external box to protect the whole thing? isn't risky with a glass mouthpiece exposed?

No idea, the pics are screen grabs I took from the video Vapefiend George made...

I don't own a TinyMight as I only use butane powered devices (Vapman, Sticky Brick Jr, and Dynavap).

And, btw, it's "Ma'am" *flutters eyelashes* My balls are much larger, and better positioned, than any man's...

 

[Zipford]

Normally I'd also go with the TM. Using it with the stock stem or something similar it's very easy to clean. It gives you an excellent range of temperatures to work with. It can be used on demand. But I think the ABV situation is going to bother you.

One thing I'd flag is I haven't used any vape that can extract 20-30 hits from a load; it's more like 6-8 in my experience. Granted, I am not starting at the lowest possible temperature, so maybe if I did I'd be able to stretch a load for longer. And the TM gives a wide temp range to work with. But the ABV does tend to be uneven, with some the herb along the stem still looking green.

There is a TM modification to help make your ABV even (involving an extra screen in the stem). I don't bother with this, I don't stir and I just ignore the uneven ABV. I generally finish a load to where I get no more vapor in 8 hits, so whatever it looks like, it's done to me. And if the green parts along the glass are not fully vaped, I don't care (you might, however). I pack it, vape it in two sessions and then blow the spent puck of ABV out of the stem. Simple and easy. I find stirring with the TM a particular pain, because you need the herb to stick together in the stem so it doesn't fall onto the heater screen, and once you start vaping, the herb gets dried out and it is hard to keep together and makes a mess. But I live in a legal state and high quality flower is easily available. So a little green in my ABV container doesn't bother me.

Given that your cannabis availability is lousy and you want to stretch it, you might be able to get more out of your supply using the VMAX V3. I've only used it with dosing capsules, but my ABV tends to be pretty uniform. The TM is the superior device all things considered. But if getting the last drop out of your stash is a high priority, as it seems to be, I think the TM may end up frustrating you.

 

[GymWolf]

Normally I'd also go with the TM. Using it with the stock stem or something similar it's very easy to clean. It gives you an excellent range of temperatures to work with. It can be used on demand. But I think the ABV situation is going to bother you.

One thing I'd flag is I haven't used any vape that can extract 20-30 hits from a load; it's more like 6-8 in my experience. Granted, I am not starting at the lowest possible temperature, so maybe if I did I'd be able to stretch a load for longer. And the TM gives a wide temp range to work with. But the ABV does tend to be uneven, with some the herb along the stem still looking green.

There is a TM modification to help make your ABV even (involving an extra screen in the stem). I don't bother with this, I don't stir and I just ignore the uneven ABV. I generally finish a load to where I get no more vapor in 8 hits, so whatever it looks like, it's done to me. And if the green parts along the glass are not fully vaped, I don't care (you might, however). I pack it, vape it in two sessions and then blow the spent puck of ABV out of the stem. Simple and easy. I find stirring with the TM a particular pain, because you need the herb to stick together in the stem so it doesn't fall onto the heater screen, and once you start vaping, the herb gets dried out and it is hard to keep together and makes a mess. But I live in a legal state and high quality flower is easily available. So a little green in my ABV container doesn't bother me.

Given that your cannabis availability is lousy and you want to stretch it, you might be able to get more out of your supply using the VMAX V3. I've only used it with dosing capsules, but my ABV tends to be pretty uniform. The TM is the superior device all things considered. But if getting the last drop out of your stash is a high priority, as it seems to be, I think the TM may end up frustrating you.

This is exactly why i hate stirring, the more you vape the more the weed dry out and if try to stir it basically crumbles.

I think i'm gonna end buying an xmax 3 and maybe a volcano classic, but the TM is still there in my mind

With temp step i always had at least 12-15 hits with almost any vaporizer except maybe the grasshopper and some old shitty device or the vapcap because the bowl is smaller than putin's dick, and with stuff like a fierce with temp step you get easily 20-25 hits, i guess my weed is not that shitty like i thought if i could get that number of hits starting at 170C with the xmax in on demand mode it would be great.

A device that only gives me 6-8 hits even with step temp would be a huge downgrade for me, no matter how powerfull the hits are.

I just fear that the xamax could be too slow for a real on demand experience.

For example i play a lot of videogames when i'm relaxing, and when i smoke joints i usually take a draw everytime i die (well not every single time but you get the gist), i can't wait 30 sec to get the device ready and finish a draw, we are not in the 90s anymore where you had to wait 30-60 sec for a loading time

 

[Shit Snacks]

You're not going to have to wait that long to take your hit, I'd say plan for a 30 second total time for warm-up and hit though... Unless you take shorter hits, which would also probably give you a higher total number of hits as you temp step through the bowl...