My MJ Journey

[ataxian]

What's a good strain for waking up with a tension headache?
Because that is my least favorite type of morning.

Sounds Odd however I wake up to INDICA for my nasuea and headache.
Hybrid's for projects!
Indica at 420 PM.
Were all different however this is my program.

 

[Enchantre]

What's a good strain for waking up with a tension headache?
Because that is my least favorite type of morning.

I use NYC Diesel for mine. Start at very low temp, and work up...

 

[GenYHippie]

My favorite strain for flavor was CACTUS COOLER (hybrid) however the effect gave me a bit of paranoia!
The JC OG seems to have the same great flavor as the CACTUS COOLER how ever the effect is pleasant.
(indica)

I know the main medical reason is effect however I'm finding flavor important to what I medicate with!

Sorry about the nausea I feel ya on that one. OMG your making me crave a camping trip and a soda. I always used to drink the soda Cactus Cooler camping as a kid

What's a good strain for waking up with a tension headache?
Because that is my least favorite type of morning.

Sorry no real reccs though someone I talk to with neck issues which cause headaches used cannatonic. Hope you feel better soon

 

[grokit]

Thanks, that's exactly what I have, neck issues.
If I sleep in the wrong position I can wake up with a very bad headache!

 

[GenYHippie]

Thanks, that's exactly what I have, neck issues.
If I sleep in the wrong position I can wake up with a very bad headache!

Ahhh well if you can find it I hope it helps . I get a lot of headaches when im feeling worse too because i cant make it to bed and spend all my time laying awkwardly on the couch closest to the bathroom.

Your stats say the north so im guessing your in Canada? I have many pen pals there I can ask around about what they suggest.

 

[GenYHippie]

Ok looks like strawberry cough is up next as aside from cannatonic its the "heaviest" i have on the indica and CBD scale. Had a absolutely lousy night last night so im hesitant to experiment but if im going to feel as bad as I did last night why the heck not try something new?

 

[Enchantre]

Ok looks like strawberry cough is up next as aside from cannatonic its the "heaviest" i have on the indica and CBD scale. Had a absolutely lousy night last night so im hesitant to experiment but if im going to feel as bad as I did last night why the heck not try something new?

The high CBD ones, for me, don't have enough THC for me to really get good effects - I need the combo of both, in a more balanced ratio. I usually mix cannatonic with something else, like Dutch Treat (have you tried DT?), and I sometimes feel that the cannatonic is just in the way... I've since thrown my cannatonic in the edibles jar.
THC, from my understanding, is also anti-nausea, as well as pain-killing and euphoric.

 

[GenYHippie]

The high CBD ones, for me, don't have enough THC for me to really get good effects - I need the combo of both, in a more balanced ratio. I usually mix cannatonic with something else, like Dutch Treat (have you tried DT?), and I sometimes feel that the cannatonic is just in the way... I've since thrown my cannatonic in the edibles jar.
THC, from my understanding, is also anti-nausea, as well as pain-killing and euphoric.

Yeah some of them out there are very heavily weighted to CBD like the cannatonnic. I think like you I need a more balanced effect. I haven't tried mixing yet as im still getting a feel for each strain. I haven't tried dutch treat not once ive seen around here but one of the new strains to my dispensary has it as a parent so I may check that out.

So far Jack H has been decent for daytime. Came home from the doctors today and took a hit since I wore myself out between the doctors and grocery shopping. It helped bring me "up" enough to take care of myself and get some fluids and im feeling a little better now. Normally id come home curl up on the couch under the blankets till at least 6pm before I got anything decent down. So progress is progress .


Not that I know what im doing but from talking with my aunts friends and their son who studies MJ (scientist) it seems that THC for immediate effect but CBD for anti-inflammatory effect is what I should be aiming for. THC bandaid CBD treatment I guess?

Over all since I started MJ I have less morning nausea even if not great control the rest of the day. I really want to learn enough to be able to get down some RX and eliminate others. If I could eliminate them all id be ecstatic but I try to be realistic.

 

[Enchantre]

On the one hand, it is really no different from any doctor/patient trying to dial in a treatment plan, and, on the other hand - whoa, different fingers - it is entirely different from any doctor/patient treatment experiments!

Take whatever anecdotal ideas you get online, maybe check a few strains out on Leafly, read the reviews on them there, and start keeping track of what helps.

For instance, I've asked my budtender for one strain, which wasn't in stock, and what I need it for, and then he usually can tell me what part of the lineage of the requested strain is good for what, and he usually hooks me up with a very similar med. Once you get a solid 3 or 4 meds that work for you, you can start looking at similar strains.

Best part yet, you get to "test" meds, vape methods, vape temps, with/without food, etc. This is way, way better than doing drug trials with pharms. Your worst side effect.... just might be the giggles.

 

[GenYHippie]

On the one hand, it is really no different from any doctor/patient trying to dial in a treatment plan, and, on the other hand - whoa, different fingers - it is entirely different from any doctor/patient treatment experiments!

Take whatever anecdotal ideas you get online, maybe check a few strains out on Leafly, read the reviews on them there, and start keeping track of what helps.

For instance, I've asked my budtender for one strain, which wasn't in stock, and what I need it for, and then he usually can tell me what part of the lineage of the requested strain is good for what, and he usually hooks me up with a very similar med. Once you get a solid 3 or 4 meds that work for you, you can start looking at similar strains.

Best part yet, you get to "test" meds, vape methods, vape temps, with/without food, etc. This is way, way better than doing drug trials with pharms. Your worst side effect.... just might be the giggles.

Lol yup different yet the same. Still have to figure out the best dosage with the fewest side effects while still being effective. With as much time as we spend on that tightrope we should take up second careers as circus performers!

I picked up some more stuff to get organized today. Have a binder full of into like vape temps for different compounds with a section for personal notes and dispensaries ive signed up with and a to try strain list . Also a small binder for my paperwork and my moms (caregiver card).

Got a mini lock box today for traveling and a decent for now case for my solo. Don't want to have any loose herb when I go to visit my sister or aunt no pets or kids getting into it ya know?

For now jack is a solid one for daytime getting stuff done. Hope GDP will be a good PM one when I get it, and the rest is mystery

 

[Puffers]

Was going to pm you some info GenY but it looks like I can't, so I wanted to post some stuff for you that hopefully you will find helpful. I don't know if you have heard of Rick Simpson oil and similar cannabis therapies involving oral ingestion of cannabis oil or if it's even a feasible possibility given the severity of your nausea. Not be pessimistic but I think that your symptoms may be fairly severe to get the level of relief you seek through vaping cannabis with your current tolerance level.

http://phoenixtears.ca
https://www.greenpassion.org
http://skunkpharmresearch.com/holy-anointing-oil-and-holy-shit/


These websites have pretty extensive time and research (and all kinds of info to add to your binder I am sure ) into using cannabis oils, edibles and topicals for severe medical conditions. Honestly I have seen Rick Simpson oil do some pretty amazing things the only thing is that it requires fair amount of cannabis to work with for the recommended dosages. I really hope you find something that works for you or is helpful keep us updated. Best of luck GenY

Puff

 

[JCat]

@GenYHippie ... sounds like your tolerance is pretty low (if you use medically and daily you will probably find this increase and level out, but in the meantime ...)

Yes ... the higher THC strain probably caused you problems ... I've been a chronic user for almost half of my life (18 years chronic in varying degrees) but there were a couple years where I decreased my usage significantly down to once every week or two ... at this point I really enjoyed "just a pinch" (literally) as more made me physically too high and uncomfortable ... but a very small amount got me higher than I ever get now (or before) going through 1.5-2.5g / day.

If you don't have a tolerance ... as little as 0.05g or less could be lots for you per session and each session could do you good for 4-8 hours ... personally ... at my point now I need about .1-.2 every 2-4 hours ... and I don't get as high as I did when my tolerance was down and doing .05 or less ...

So .... don't overdo it ... only use as much as you need and increase as your needs increase (it does plateau though ... so that's sort-of good ...)

 

[GenYHippie]

Was going to pm you some info GenY but it looks like I can't, so I wanted to post some stuff for you that hopefully you will find helpful. I don't know if you have heard of Rick Simpson oil and similar cannabis therapies involving oral ingestion of cannabis oil or if it's even a feasible possibility given the severity of your nausea. Not be pessimistic but I think that your symptoms may be fairly severe to get the level of relief you seek through vaping cannabis with your current tolerance level.

http://phoenixtears.ca
https://www.greenpassion.org
http://skunkpharmresearch.com/holy-anointing-oil-and-holy-shit/


These websites have pretty extensive time and research (and all kinds of info to add to your binder I am sure ) into using cannabis oils, edibles and topicals for severe medical conditions. Honestly I have seen Rick Simpson oil do some pretty amazing things the only thing is that it requires fair amount of cannabis to work with for the recommended dosages. I really hope you find something that works for you or is helpful keep us updated. Best of luck GenY

Puff

Oops sorry about that don't know if I have to set up my PM box or if I haven't earne enough points/posts/whatever yet. Thank you for the links I will open them in tabs abnd start working my way through. Initially ingestion was what I wanted but when i tried I either threw it up before it could work or got massively dizzy and it didn't help the nausea when it did stay down. I was just starting through so I didn't know what I was doing. Just taking advice from my aunts friend but he doesn't have as many dietary restrictions as I do so its tough to work through. I do have 2 edibles here to try just been working up the nerve.

If the effects aren't good when I vape I know its over in about 2 hours the bad edible experience lasted a whole lot longer. So I get to stressed about that happening again to be an eagar beaver about it again though I do intend to try .

Thank you for the well wishes. I have heard of RSO but hadn't looked into it to much as im budget restricted and the its around $50 a "unit" here. Don't know what the standard unit of measure is ive seen it so many different ways.

I was so close to trying topicals but my dispensary ran out of shake and I cant afford to buy enough bud to make salve and vape. So for now im saving up my ABV till I can get some shake to infuse with. I hope it will help my lichen planus and joint pains.

@GenYHippie ... sounds like your tolerance is pretty low (if you use medically and daily you will probably find this increase and level out, but in the meantime ...)

Yes ... the higher THC strain probably caused you problems ... I've been a chronic user for almost half of my life (18 years chronic in varying degrees) but there were a couple years where I decreased my usage significantly down to once every week or two ... at this point I really enjoyed "just a pinch" (literally) as more made me physically too high and uncomfortable ... but a very small amount got me higher than I ever get now (or before) going through 1.5-2.5g / day.

If you don't have a tolerance ... as little as 0.05g or less could be lots for you per session and each session could do you good for 4-8 hours ... personally ... at my point now I need about .1-.2 every 2-4 hours ... and I don't get as high as I did when my tolerance was down and doing .05 or less ...

So .... don't overdo it ... only use as much as you need and increase as your needs increase (it does plateau though ... so that's sort-of good ...)

Yes very low tolerance seems to be accurate . My body spazes out about water so it shouldn't have supprised me that it gives me crap about using MJ too. I have been loading less and trying to mess with temp instead of number of hits to see what happens. Its hard when I already have so many existing issued to separate whats a side effect and whats just my messed up body.

Sometimes im not sure if I need to medicate more or stop its confusing... Want to try some more sedating strains to lessen the chances of it effecting my heart which is messed up right now weather I vape or not. Strangest thing it seem Tylenol/acetaminophen was part of what was making my heart race...so strange. Anyway stopped 2 days ago now im having less heart trouble but its still there which is making me stay away from the sativa/high THC.

When I go visit my family it will be good because they have (or at least last time I was there) 2 walk in dispensaries. No buy minimum so I can play a bit. Not a massive selection and not lab tested but better t buy 2 grams then have to spend $50 to be able to get any at all.

 

[Puffers]

Try and stay with high temps to get a fuller spectrum of cannabinoids. Maybe eating an edible right before you go to sleep would help get some meds into your system while being able to sleep through the psychoactive effects of the cannabis.

I save all my stems and grind them up for a topical I use for muscle pain. The root's also have a non psychoactive alkaloid that is helpful for deeper skeletal and joint pain that has been used for hundreds of years.

http://www.cannabis.info/USA/library/3090-buried-treasure-hemp-roots/

 

[GenYHippie]

Try and stay with high temps to get a fuller spectrum of cannabinoids. Maybe eating an edible right before you go to sleep would help get some meds into your system while being able to sleep through the psychoactive effects of the cannabis.

I save all my stems and grind them up for a topical I use for muscle pain. The root's also have a non psychoactive alkaloid that is helpful for deeper skeletal and joint pain that has been used for hundreds of years.

http://www.cannabis.info/USA/library/3090-buried-treasure-hemp-roots/

Thanks puffers will do. Just did a hit of strawberry cough on level 3. Trying to stick to level 3 and 4 right now. Not find of the head feeling its giving me ATM. Its like there is this warm pull behind my eyes and tongue...not something I like but not bad. The chest tightness is more of a bother but I can get through it.

Good point on the edible. Timing would be interesting as I have other meds to take every 6 hours so I have to set an alarm for the middle of the night. With the insomnia id say an edible between 3 and 4 am might be best. Right now im on a 7-1 schedule with those meds so I wouldn't have to be awake again till 7 then I could go back to sleep again. Which gives it an hour or so to kick in then id sleep through the first 3 - 4hours of the "ride".

Ive read about the roots. I thought of calling up my aunts friend and asking if he would dry and save some for me since he doesn't use them. Till then I shall keep looking for some cheap shake. Darn why did everyone I know who smoked and did some light dealing go sober lol! Oh well I shall get my shake the legal way then

 

[GenYHippie]

Alright todays order goes like this -
Top Shelf House Shake (for salve)
Tripple Crown
Hawian Mango
Querkle
High CBD ginger lozenge quad
GDP
I went for more purples/indica/sedating strains this time. Hopefully that will get me where I need to be. I need some sleep I was up till 7 am and couldn't get out of bed till 4pm wish I had actualy slept most of that time instead of feeling like crap.

I was happy to see a high CBD edible I could have! Just sugar, ginger, and MJ yippee! No flavoring, no diary, nothing funky im happy . I like the ida of just sucking on it for a few minutes before dinner and letting it kick in while I eat. Its 25mg CBD and 5mg THC so hopefully I wont be as dizzy as when ive tried edibles before.

 

[GenYHippie]

Ok so far out of my order ive only tried Querkle, I ended up going on a trip a few days earlier than planned so its been a big chaotic rush lately. But now im here and took advantage of kid free time to get a little bit of everything ground up and bagged. Im debating between the querkle again or trying kens GDP tonight. I was going to try one of my edibles yesterday but ended up nauseous, crampy, and puking a lot of last night .

Im feeling better tonight but I need some peaceful me time not an experiment. Plus the kiddos are having a sleepover and id rather not get too f'ed up even if there are plenty of other adults around to take care of them.

My grand plan of the evening load up the solo and sit down to a movie and a manicure. . When I tried the querkle I broke off a little nug didn't bother to grind. Now that I know it didn't hit me like a train I ground it up and put my screen back in. Maybe I will get a fuller or more intense sleepiness from it this time.

 

[GenYHippie]

Alright now that ive checked out the revised menus I have a list of 11 strains to get while im out in Homeland. One place is having a great sale on indicas and I get 10% off for being in disability so yay on that one! The other places sale ended but they still have the strains I havent seen at home like master kush and big bud. Hope to ge out soon before anything sells out maybe tomorrow.

 

[GenYHippie]

Ok tried Kens GDP and from what I felt last night that one isn't for me till i get much more of a tolerance. One hot at Level 4 on solo was fine for the first 15 minutes ten I proceeded to feel worse for the next 2 hours . I could deal with the first body rushes but the more intense they got the worse my stomach felt. Between that and the dizziness it sent my entire GI tract into a fit of cramping and even worse nausea.

Ended up having to take 3 other things (rx and otc) to get in under control so I didn't spend all night in the bathroom. So my attempt at sleep was thwarted till a bit after 5 am when I finally konked out half on the floor.

These are the times I get discouraged with experimenting. So for now back to querkle in the PM and experimenting with indica dominant hybrids for daytime. Im getting tired of being sick and alone, I feel to guilty to wake anyone up after midnight unless its to go to the hospital. At least if it goes bad during the day I have help around.

 

[ataxian]

Ok tried Kens GDP and from what I felt last night that one isn't for me till i get much more of a tolerance. One hot at Level 4 on solo was fine for the first 15 minutes ten I proceeded to feel worse for the next 2 hours . I could deal with the first body rushes but the more intense they got the worse my stomach felt. Between that and the dizziness it sent my entire GI tract into a fit of cramping and even worse nausea.

Ended up having to take 3 other things (rx and otc) to get in under control so I didn't spend all night in the bathroom. So my attempt at sleep was thwarted till a bit after 5 am when I finally konked out half on the floor.

These are the times I get discouraged with experimenting. So for now back to querkle in the PM and experimenting with indica dominant hybrids for daytime. Im getting tired of being sick and alone, I feel to guilty to wake anyone up after midnight unless its to go to the hospital. At least if it goes bad during the day I have help around.

Man that is so sad!
Tolerance is key for you.
Indicas play less with your mind and more with your body.
Erkle is in the cross with Grandaddy purple. I was getting Blue Dream tomorrow for day time. All I have is indica. After 6 PM for this one.

It's a bummer we have to be our own doctor!
https://weedmaps.com/dispensaries/c...arms-free-delivery-highest-thc-in-oc?c=search
GDP I get KEN'S
BLUE DREAM I get BIGGS
I don't know what the different is?
Never tried KEN'S version of BLUE DREAM?
I love his GDP strain!
This is what's available to me!

 

[GenYHippie]

Man that is so sad!
Tolerance is key for you.
Indicas play less with your mind and more with your body.
Erkle is in the cross with Grandaddy purple. I was getting Blue Dream tomorrow for day time. All I have is indica. After 6 PM for this one.

It's a bummer we have to be our own doctor!
https://weedmaps.com/dispensaries/c...arms-free-delivery-highest-thc-in-oc?c=search
GDP I get KEN'S
BLUE DREAM I get BIGGS
I don't know what the different is?
Never tried KEN'S version of BLUE DREAM?
I love his GDP strain!
This is what's available to me!

Thanks for the empathy Ataxian, I appreciate it . I was hoping GDP would go ok sine querkle did but I giess it was to much. At home I have lab tested but im visiting family near homeland where MJ is CHEAP by compare. Its not lab tested but they regularly have around 6 strains ive never seen anyplace back home. At less than $10 a gram I will try it out even if its not tested.

I have a blue cross I will have to see if it says who's it is. It was too racy for me mae my heart very jumpy and wore me out when all I did was sit and wait for it to pass. I need to find the sweet spot in indicas where it does something without knocking me on my but. I cant believe one hit of Kens GDP knocked me on my but like that. Im too nervous to try again soon but maybe later i will go lower on the temp.

I should have gone with the edibles I think but the nausea has been worse at night lately. As long as I use MJ at some point in the day I still have less nausea in the AM so I try to focus on that rather than the fails

 

[ataxian]

Thanks for the empathy Ataxian, I appreciate it . I was hoping GDP would go ok sine querkle did but I giess it was to much. At home I have lab tested but im visiting family near homeland where MJ is CHEAP by compare. Its not lab tested but they regularly have around 6 strains ive never seen anyplace back home. At less than $10 a gram I will try it out even if its not tested.

I have a blue cross I will have to see if it says who's it is. It was too racy for me mae my heart very jumpy and wore me out when all I did was sit and wait for it to pass. I need to find the sweet spot in indicas where it does something without knocking me on my but. I cant believe one hit of Kens GDP knocked me on my but like that. Im too nervous to try again soon but maybe later i will go lower on the temp.

I should have gone with the edibles I think but the nausea has been worse at night lately. As long as I use MJ at some point in the day I still have less nausea in the AM so I try to focus on that rather than the fails

Go with the lower temps!
Big difference!
Higher temperatures mess me up too!
The SOLO I vaporize dry on level 3!
Wet level 4.

I like bubbler.
Smooth it down for me!

I'm a light weight really!

 

[GenYHippie]

Go with the lower temps!
Big difference!
Higher temperatures mess me up too!
The SOLO I vaporize dry on level 3!
Wet level 4.

I like bubbler.
Smooth it down for me!

I'm a light weight really!

If I go with the low temps like 2 aren't I missing out on the CBD? I don't go higher than 2 with sativas anymore on the rare times I do use them. Im so confused by this. Ive read for PM you should go higher temp is that not so if your a lightweight? Im still saving up for 4/20 sales to get some good gear and stuff. I will go down to 3 for now and back to the lighter strains see what changes.

I know there are a lot of active components to MJ but with my pain and inflammation I figured I should be aiming for CBD....

 

[cityslang]

Hi mods if there is a more appropriate place to post this please feel free to move, thanks .

Anyways need a place to catalog this journey and get some feedback along the way so here is as good as any and you all have been very helpful thus far. So here it goes.

Last night 2/18/14 had my first go at vaporizing. Decide to go with Cannatonic (currently tested at 3.02 THC and 8.81 CBD). Went with the lowest temp on the solo since when i tried the lavender in it on level 2 and 3 I in like the feeling in my throat an I coughed a lot. Did one "baby" hit (inhale 3/4 lungful, held 5 seconds, then slow exhale) waited 20 min then another hit same way.

First hit I cant be sure what was my anxiety and what was the MJ but here is what I felt. Less than 1 minute after I felt this floaty/swimming feeling in my head like my brain was a balloon bumping against my skull kinda made me dizzy. Shortly after felt tingling down the back of my thighs and in my stomach. Had a similar throat discomfort to the lavender not as sharp but bothersome.

The tingling freaked me out even though I knew it could happen. I get that same feeling right before I throw up so it took a lot to talk myself down to be calm about it. I started to feel calmer about it 14 minutes in. After the second hit the same head feeling happened but milder. Then 9 - 10 minutes in my muscles especially my arms started to feel heavy.

I was still having bouts with extra dizziness so I waited about a half hour before moving to bed. I hoped to fall asleep but that didn't happen. Maybe 20-30 minutes after going to bed I started getting a headache. Nothing horrible but enough to keep me awake. I rubbed some peppermint oil into my neck, temples, and jaw since I didn't want to take anything to mess up my stomach.

By 5 am (4 hours 20 minutes after last hit) the nausea got much worse. Before that I cant say it was better but it as least wasn't as bad as the night before but I also hadn't eaten or drank much of anything since 10pm. Took what meds I could at the time to allow me to crawl into the living room/kitchen area so I could heat my pack (heat on the stomach helps the nausea some). Took me a good half hour of cowering and crawling to get myself, a blanket, my beg of meds, and my hot pack onto the couch .

Obviously not the night I had planned but aside from the headache I cant wholly contribute the misery of the evening to the MJ as it was so many hours after my hits. Hence why I need some feedback if you've managed to make it through this odyssey .

Some things to consider 1) I am just a few days past a bad cold 2) I have had an incredible amount of upper digestive gas the last 2 weeks and I already have about 7X more than the average joe 3) I took the hits 30 minutes after my usual anti-emetic (Zofran) which made my next dose fall at 6am so it was reasonable to feel worse at 5 am just not as bad as it was last night.

Yes the high thc strains kill my nausea too with amnesia haze being the best I have access to sadly I can't get medical canna

Amnesia haze is pretty strong so I'd only use it in the day and a small bit as if you are new it might freak you up a bit

 

[GenYHippie]

Yes the high thc strains kill my nausea too with amnesia haze being the best I have access to sadly I can't get medical canna

Amnesia haze is pretty strong so I'd only use it in the day and a small bit as if you are new it might freak you up a bit

Thanks for the input cityslang . Yeah ive been moving towards what most people would call lower end after a few bad experienced with much recommended strains. I don't think those were bad strains just bad for a no tolerance noob like me. I keep going back and forth on if I should ones like try sour D, harlequin, and sour tsunami. My main dispensary has all of them but even regular users seem to get knocked on their bum by them so Id probably end up hiding under the bed freaking out lol.

I miss being able to have Jack H (stupid heart issues) I could use that motivational lift aright now. But querkle is being nice to be not getting any crazy dizziness. Tonight im going for low heat (level 2 on solo) steady hits across the evening. Im 2 hits and one hour in so I figure i'll keep going till I either get a bit to much or I fall asleep. Im much more tired than usual for 1:45am so that's a good sign.

Lungs still trying to adjust to vaping ive been coughing up more than ususal and my lungs feel "off". Kind of like asthma but without the gasping. Its like I can move the air in them the right way. Hope they adjust it would be much more pleasant.