Mobius Glass

[mrboote]

^I'd personally get a m to m adapter and use what ever nail you'd prefer. Something like this.

 

[lreindl]

Yeah but I would then need to buy a dome lol.

 

[mrboote]

Weren't we trying to find a way to use a 70$ domeless HE nail? Cuz that's what my suggestion was aimed at.

 

[toros23]

From an initial dry test, the water level in the video appears to be too low - if the water level is closer to the upper bridge then waterflow goes from the matrix perc side into the 'watertrap' side. One thing I did notice when pulling hard is splashback - I don't pull hard but that might be an issue for some.

Looking at both videos several times and I still don't really get why it is being called a recycler. Is Mobius calling it a recycler or a watertrap? WTF is it recycling, bubbles??? So confused..... Is this just marketing BS or does that "watertrap" have a real purpose?

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

Doesn't look to do much of anything... even raising the water level, is still just going to "trap" water. I don't see anything that remotely resembles "recycling".

 

[t-dub]

Not to change the subject but I just got back from my LHS, Midtown Direct and they had a nice supply of Mobius pieces in stock, tubes and bubblers, no shortage of product here. They had 2 Clear models with the Reti, one with water, so I tried it. Its nice no doubt, the mouthpiece is not flat enough though, very uncomfortable, too cone shaped so it hurts your lips. The Reti percolated and cleared very nicely. If I ever were to get a Mobius piece to go with the Cloud this would probably be it. One of them was on sale for 20% off and it caught my eye. When I asked about it they said it was really wobbly (and it was), the bottom wasn't manufactured correctly, and there were some flaws in the glass as well . . .

 

[Frederick McGuire]

I seriously don't get that water trap...
It recycles about as much as my leviathan lattice... Maybe lev should lower his bubbler mouthpiece a few inches and triple his price?

I mean its essentially an ion, with a slightly different matrix, and a mouthpiece that goes to the bottom of the can instead of stopping at the top...
Oh, and the emptying tube with the stopper that's also a dish...

Tbh, IMO it's sorta ugly from those pics, so unless it looks way better in person, I wouldn't pay more than I'd pay for a clear bub.

 

[bassplayer]

I seriously don't get that water trap...
It recycles about as much as my leviathan lattice... Maybe lev should lower his bubbler mouthpiece a few inches and triple his price?

I mean its essentially an ion, with a slightly different matrix, and a mouthpiece that goes to the bottom of the can instead of stopping at the top...
Oh, and the emptying tube with the stopper that's also a dish...

Tbh, IMO it's sorta ugly from those pics, so unless it looks way better in person, I wouldn't pay more than I'd pay for a clear bub.

IMO it does look better in person than in the pics but of course to each his own. The Matrix side is very close to the Ion - I can easily see this as a sort of modified Ion Matrix. I've been busy so I haven't tried it yet - it's my first piece that offers any recycler or watertrap or whatever the correct term is so I don't have anything to compare it to - I was going to get a HAMM recycler but it sold before I had the funds. At this point I do like it, though if I pull hard it's easy to get splashback if you have water at the level the store I bought it from suggested. I never pull hard so not an issue for me. I'm also a bit of a Mobius fan so the Watertrap get's points in my book just from being a Mobius haha (and I do love those Matrix percs). Pretty much a newbie but I can see the more traditional recycler designs that I've seen (the one where the water spirals in a funnel type shape) may indeed offer greater recyling action and less chance of splashback.

 

[bassplayer]

So how do you dab out of the Ion? I am going to buy a domeless Ti nail but the $70 HE one is DI so that won't work. InfiniTi by HE looks like it would work but I read somewhere domeless is bad for dewaar joints. Any domeless nails that you suggest getting?

I just got an InfiniTi, haven't used it yet but I do like both my Dab Essentials and Goldstein domeless nails - I use a 18mm to 18mm male adapter with the Goldstein and a 18mm to 14mm male adapter with the Dab Essentials. Both look nice on the Ion IMO.

But I don't see how this offers any recycling action...
For it to be recycling, the perc moves the water, which will flow out of its main chamber, then back into that same chamber. Hence Recycling.
The water trap isn't even really a splash guard, more a splash overflow catcher...

Yeah, it will certainly be interesting to hear if Mobius calls it a recycler or whatever. It does not appear to be in the same style group as the HAMM, Sov. etc. recyclers. It's very well made (at least mine is), I don't know if Mobius has all of a sudden decided to do a little "form over function" (saying this without having tried it...)

(EDIT: You can edit quotes into your post Bassplayer, no need for doubles )

Thanks! sorry for the previous spam everyone.

 

[Frederick McGuire]

But I don't see how this offers any recycling action...

For it to be recycling, the perc moves the water, which will flow out of its main chamber, then back into that same chamber. Hence Recycling.

The water trap isn't even really a splash guard, more a splash overflow catcher...


(EDIT: You can edit quotes into your post Bassplayer, no need for doubles )

 

[bassplayer]

Initial first impressions are a little mixed but overall good. This was done using my VXC (didn't feel like dabbing.) I tested it side by side with my Ion Matrix.
- I found I had to be quite precise with the water level. It worked best just below the top bridge joint - there was waterflow from the Matrix side to the Watertrap side. Any lower and there wouldn't be the waterflow and any higher I would get instant splashback.
- When clearing the can I found I had splashback unless I paid attention to not increase the draw strength.
- The Ion has the least amount of drag, but also less water.
- Where the Watertrap wins the day is smoothness - if I feel like I can handle a dab I'll have to try it because this piece is noticably smoother than the Ion Matrix, my Stereo 60t and even my DG fritt.
So, while I somewhat feel the issues I have may be a 'version 1.0' thing, or maybe just the nature of the beast when it comes to recyclers/watertraps/etc. at this point I can say I really do like the piece. I like the way it looks and even though I was hoping the piece would have more of an obvious recycling action going on, I like the function and I can't argue with the results.

<EDIT> OK, tried a small dab and this Watertrap is the smoothest piece I have - it requires me to draw carefully and have the exact right water level but in return it gave me the smoothest hits I think I've ever had (both with the VXC and dab). Maybe all recyclers (or whatever it is) are like that, not sure.

 

[Jeppy]

That's not a recycler. It's simply a watertrap. Imo, I can't see how it serves any other purpose then to insure the correct H2O level for the perc. Hmm.

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

I have a piece that took a bit of a learning curve. I was told, learning a new piece, is too much of a pain in the ass and you should just be able to pick a piece up, fill it with water and off you go into medicated merry land.

$750 for a piece, that takes an instruction guide, diagrams and tech support. Plus, its not a recycler. Is not anything new. Mobius ripped the idea off from dozens, if not hundreds of blowers.

I'll stick to, lusting after a Reti.

 

[John Lewus]

Not to change the subject but I just got back from my LHS, Midtown Direct and they had a nice supply of Mobius pieces in stock, tubes and bubblers, no shortage of product here. They had 2 Clear models with the Reti, one with water, so I tried it. Its nice no doubt, the mouthpiece is not flat enough though, very uncomfortable, too cone shaped so it hurts your lips. The Reti percolated and cleared very nicely. If I ever were to get a Mobius piece to go with the Cloud this would probably be it. One of them was on sale for 20% off and it caught my eye. When I asked about it they said it was really wobbly (and it was), the bottom wasn't manufactured correctly, and there were some flaws in the glass as well . . .

That place always seems to have a lot of Mobius glass in stock because when I called months ago they had several pieces I could have looked at. I almost drove down there to get my 60T but found a place closer to where I live.

 

[jambandphan03]

funny, I live in town where Midtown is, and never even thought to look there for mobius... I don't frequently visit LHSs

 

[Jeppy]

They have the Watertrap at the Cave in San Mateo in case someone is interested.

 

[bassplayer]

They have the Watertrap at the Cave in San Mateo in case someone is interested.

Yep - that's where I got mine. The Cave usually has a good stock of Mobius pieces on hand. If I had time enough to try out some recyclers they have in stock and compare them to the Watertrap I may have ended up with one of those, but my time was limited so I went with the Watertrap - I'm glad that it's at least a Mobius as Mobius glass tends to hold it's value fairly well (so far I'm good with the Watertrap)

 

[Jeppy]

 

[shredhead]

It seems like every piece is made for dabbing now adays. Tho I'm sure you could use the dabber holder for something else!

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

So, its basically a way overpriced mini-mini Ion Matrix with a male joint and a fancy (??) Mouthpiece.

 

[toros23]

So, its basically a way overpriced mini-mini Ion Matrix with a male joint and a fancy (??) Mouthpiece.

If I were into dabs I can see how that would be a cool piece if you want a heady looking scientific piece with some bells and whistles.. I don't know if I would call it overpriced, it looks like a lot of work goes into them and historically I don't really think their other pieces are overpriced given the quality and functionality. I know I paid too much for my last one but that is my fault for being compulsive.

I am still curious if Mobius folks are calling this a recycler or if other people are just calling it this for lack of understanding or a better term. Definitely want to know the specific function of the watertrap, sounds like Jeppy has a good guess..

Jeppy - Thanks for the photo. I might have to check out The Cave some day when I am up in that area. Always heard they have a good selection.

 

[bassplayer]

If I were into dabs I can see how that would be a cool piece if you want a heady looking scientific piece with some bells and whistles.. I don't know if I would call it overpriced, it looks like a lot of work goes into them and historically I don't really think their other pieces are overpriced given the quality and functionality. I know I paid too much for my last one but that is my fault for being compulsive.

I am still curious if Mobius folks are calling this a recycler or if other people are just calling it this for lack of understanding or a better term. Definitely want to know the specific function of the watertrap, sounds like Jeppy has a good guess..

Jeppy - Thanks for the photo. I might have to check out The Cave some day when I am up in that area. Always heard they have a good selection.

The guys at the Cave called it a recycler which is why I initially called it that, it would be good to hear from Mobius what they officially call it ('recycler' is nowhere to be found on the lables, 'watertrap' is).

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

If I were into dabs I can see how that would be a cool piece if you want a heady looking scientific piece with some bells and whistles.. I don't know if I would call it overpriced, it looks like a lot of work goes into them and historically I don't really think their other pieces are overpriced given the quality and functionality. I know I paid too much for my last one but that is my fault for being compulsive.

I am still curious if Mobius folks are calling this a recycler or if other people are just calling it this for lack of understanding or a better term. Definitely want to know the specific function of the watertrap, sounds like Jeppy has a good guess..

Jeppy - Thanks for the photo. I might have to check out The Cave some day when I am up in that area. Always heard they have a good selection.

I don't think their other pieces are overpriced.

I just think that new piece is significantly overpriced, in comparison to their other stuff. I think they know how popular they are and feel they can drive up the price.

 

[Frederick McGuire]

I took some pics of my Leviathan Pieces next to some of my Mobius pieces for the Leviathan Thread, I figure they belong here too

Clear Mobius and Lev Showerhead - Mouthpieces Facing

Clear Mobius and Lev Showerhead -Cans Facing (Mobius 60t back there for a height comparison too)

Clear Mobius and Lev Showerhead - Side by Side

Leviathan Showerhead Bub - Leviathan Lattice FC Bub - Mobius 60t - Mobius Clear [Side by Side]

Leviathan Lattice FC Bub - Mobius 60t [Mouthpiece to Mouthpiece]

Leviathan Lattice FC Bub - Mobius Clear [Side by Side]

Leviathan Lattice FC Bub - Mobius Clear [Can by Can]

Leviathan Lattice FC Bub - Mobius Clear [Mouthpiece to Mouthpiece]

 

[wonderfox]

Hmmm.. matrix ion or dg mini can? Decisions..