Discontinued miVape by Vaporfection

smutman

SmutmanMDCXX
You have convinced me hat now is still not the time to buy a mivape.

Send it back. Get one that works properly or get your $ back.
Well put, it's obvious there are major problems with what could be a great vaporizer. Just from the few conversations I did have with Dan I can tell he is determined to make this vape work but he's got to make major changes to the body and heating element. If your gonna charge "high end" prices then we should expect a "high end" vape that works properly that's not made of cheap flimsy plastic. @Vape Dr. I feel your pain. I wish Dan nothing but success in getting a good quality version of the miVape out soon. Til then I still got my viVape!
 

Archaicrevival

Well-Known Member
I just wanted to suggest something I thought of today for those of you who wish to keep the mivape. Perhaps you can try using it upside down. Once the unit reaches temp just turn it upside down. Perhaps that will prevent burning on the bottom? Just a thought I had.
 
Archaicrevival,

Mynameismud

Accessory Maker
Accessory Maker
@smutman The vapor path goes through the unit, then through the cheapest plastic I have ever seen to the mouth piece.

Oh Ya, I got my mivape today too guys.

First impression....cheap. Like the Sonic vaporizer cheap. Cheaper than any flowermate product cheap.

I am thoroughly disappointed in the materials used and build quality of the unit. The hinges for the mouth piece and battery leave a lot to be desired. :sherlock:

If I look down into the bowl portion of my mivape, I can see what appears to be white glue at the bottom of the glass chamber.:hmm: Looking closely it looks like the chamber is lined with cotton. So it could be glue or wet then dried cotton stuck to the bottom???



If that weren't bad enough, when it's charging, standing up, on it's side, whatever way the unit says charging and fluctuates from 95% to 50% to 70% to low battery to fully charged. There is a definite connection problem going on inside the unit.

Click pic below to see charging video.



This thing looks like a nightmare!!!:uhoh:


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Tried taking the battery out of the mivape. Wasn't one of the changes to make the battery come out easier?

Here is a video of me trying to get the battery out.

Click on pic.
Thats your battery... I had the same issue... Went away when i switched to my old one...

As for use, a few days with this and im pleasantly happy... Still have issues with the battery and charging but as far as use goes im getting pretty good results... I get incredible taste for a good 5-6 minutes then it turns popcorny... Also to get rid of or reduce the charring at the bottom (which i found usually occurs with longer 10 minute sessions) you can pack the herb in the cup and then before you put it back in the chamber inhale through the mouthpiece a few times to get the material to rise up a little so its not at the bottom of the unit...

Im using 320-340* F i start at 330-340 and lower the temp towards the end of the session when the unit starts getting really hot after about 6 or so minutes...

Getting decent vapor, not really any harshness (although i am a heavy dabber so id imagine this vapor wouldnt irritate my throat as badly as someone who doesnt dab as heavily)

Also, last night i couldnt see any vapor coming out of my mouth at the end of a session... And inhaling a few times before you load the mouthpiece into the unit to get the herb off the bottom seemed to have solved the cooked bottom herb problem at least for me...

Overall, i have about the same experience with the mivape as i did with the firefly which was my
Previous portable vape
 
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Archaicrevival

Well-Known Member
I can not recommend soaking in 420 Soak n' rinse solution overnight, although it says overnight on the bottle. This is the result, I was preparing the unit for return for refund anyways.
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nosmoking

Just so Dab HAppy!
I really want to get back into this thread and provide some more feedback on the miVape, however I have not had much chance to use it since I received it on Saturday. Sorry Dan, but this is going to hurt a little.

I'm really not impressed to say the least. After trying the vaporizer out a part of me was hoping to find a major defect so I would have a good reason to return and hopefully get my money back. I don't think this vaporizer should be valued above $100 with its current construction. I also can say it is NOT A TRUE CONVECTION vaporizer. I almost can't stand conduction vaporizing and I assure you, that if you are a convection snob like myself you will not find satisfaction in this vaporizer. I feel it is much more conduction than convection due to the heater being way too close to the quartz capsule. The conduction heating on this device is very similar to the Peace vaporizer. I have said it before that the taste is similar to the Flowermate. I even think my V2 Pro Series tastes slightly better.

The plastic is cheap and gets so hot that you cannot hold certain parts of the device during use without it becoming uncomfortable. I feel like this much heat is bound to cause this cheap plastic to melt or off-gas but this is only speculation on my part. My battery does come out, however I have to smack the bottom of the device near the battery chamber several times with the batt door open to get it to come out. The plastic does not align perfectly in many places. It is minimal, but I expect precision and accuracy with this kind of price range. My Flowermate Pro looks and feels like it is better quality then the miVape.

I was also taken in by the mouthpiece a bit. The glass stem is much smaller than what it looks like on the main page on vaporfection.com. It is much smaller in diameter thus, increasing the draw resistance. This vape touts it's glass on glass and I believe claims that it has an all glass vapor path. The fact that the mouthpiece is made of molded plastic makes this not an all glass pathway and decreases the taste I believe.

As for usage, it has worked very much like my V2 Pro series or Flowermate Pro. It burns the same, slightly darker towards the bottom and sometimes a light brown flake or two or three at the very top with a even shade pattern from top to bottom. The bottom of the load can get much darker if the temp is up and more hits are taken. I have only used this on 350 and above. I will get more usage on lower temps and just more usage overall, however I don't think this vape will do much for me.

I use the ESV for my daily portable use which has spoiled me when it comes to taste. I never get that burnt popcorn/ nutty taste that people talk of and I can't stand it. I didn't buy the miVape to replace the ESV, but perhaps to compliment it as @Vape Dr. was also looking for...unfortunately I don't think this is anything like the ESV.

My two big complaints are build quality and taste with taste being my biggest issue. I bought this vaporizer because it touted that there is zero chance of combustion and no "burnt" taste - just pure vapor and great flavor. Perhaps the current strain I have is part of the problem, as it is not the tastiest IMO, however when I compare the taste through my Daisy or ESV there is no comparison and I really just think it all comes down to convection vs conduction.
 

Vape Dr.

Well-Known Member
I can not recommend soaking in 420 Soak n' rinse solution overnight, although it says overnight on the bottle. This is the result, I was preparing the unit for return for refund anyways.
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@Archaicrevival That doesn't look like a $260 vaporizer part to me at all!

IMO they should have a different design for the mouth piece all together. Theirs is extremely cheap. Probably the cheapest plastic I've ever seen on any vaporizer....I do not think it's even heat resistant.
Very disappointing.

I am still waiting to hear back from vaporfection, I PMd them twice the day I got mine.
Looks like I'll have to review the unit I have which does not work.

I am trying to let them right their wrong with my faulty unit. It appears they do not care.

@nosmoking I agree completely.
 

nosmoking

Just so Dab HAppy!
The mouthpiece is so bad, I was actually thinking about seeing if I could stick my Ubie down in the heat chamber and use it this way. I doubt the Ubie has a wide enough diameter but anything to eliminate the plastic. Another thing I was going to try is inserting the mouthpiece so that it is only about half way down to see if I can get more convection experience and less conduction experience. Did I mention that I can't stand conduction...
 

Dab Rite

Well-Known Member
Company Rep
Hi All,

Thanks for your comments and feedback. I've been traveling and will take some time to address the concerns mentioned above tomorrow, but didn't want to leave anyone hanging. As for anyone that is having any problems with a defective unit, please email us at support@vaporfection.com or dan@vaporfection.com so we can remedy the problem.

Thank you,

Dan
 

smutman

SmutmanMDCXX
@Archaicrevival That doesn't look like a $260 vaporizer part to me at all!

IMO they should have a different design for the mouth piece all together. Theirs is extremely cheap. Probably the cheapest plastic I've ever seen on any vaporizer....I do not think it's even heat resistant.
Very disappointing.

I am still waiting to hear back from vaporfection, I PMd them twice the day I got mine.
Looks like I'll have to review the unit I have which does not work.

I am trying to let them right their wrong with my faulty unit. It appears they do not care.

@nosmoking I agree completely.
Trust me, Dan will get you square.
 

nosmoking

Just so Dab HAppy!
Hi All,

Thanks for your comments and feedback. I've been traveling and will take some time to address the concerns mentioned above tomorrow, but didn't want to leave anyone hanging. As for anyone that is having any problems with a defective unit, please email us at support@vaporfection.com or dan@vaporfection.com so we can remedy the problem.

Thank you,

Dan
I anxiously wait for your response. I feel like this vaporizer has many issues. The air path is not isolated and this may be the issue I have with taste more than anything else. It is known that the Flowermate Pro does not have an isolated air path and the taste is so similar that I must wonder if the insulation is giving off some sort of VOC's or whatever that create a difference in taste.

The heater seems to have no method of cooling so the vaporizer gets really hot around the heater. Too hot to comfortably handle. The quartz cups get so hot that you cannot handle them for a few minutes after a session so back to back sessions are out of the question.

I have had success attaching the smaller end of an 18mm Male to 14mm Male Reducer Adapter into the rubber gasket at the top of the heat chamber. This method/modification was inspired by the Zion. I can pull much better convection style hits this way and get some sizeable clouds on only 315f. I still get a little bit of bad taste like I would from my Flowermate which is why I suspect the insulation or something to be giving off some sort of taste.

Personally I don't think this vape is there yet. I think you need to go back to the drawing board. Somehow the cheap plastic needs to be thicker or just be aluminum. Aluminum would be better IMO. The battery compartment needs to be bigger so you can actually remove it. The air path needs to be isolated and the heater needs to be slightly lowered away from the heat chamber. The mouthpiece needs to be redesigned completely. I would suggest getting rid of the pivoting action as this severely limits your options and really serves no good purpose. I am sure all users would be just as happy with a fixed position mouthpiece that has a larger diameter and just plugs in. You could still have the hinged door with a cutout for the mouthpiece and just stow the mouthpiece in the top somehow. I would also get rid of the glass capsule. Its dumb and dangerous in my opinion. Why limit a user to one session? Dumb. Why have someone that may be using this as a medical device play around with scorching hot glass? Dangerous and dumb. It also serves no purpose other than to conduct the materials rather than convect.

So Dan, my question for you is...where do I stand with this product? I am not satisfied with it at all. I don't know if my miVape is considered defective as it does vape and not combust, however I have asked Vapornation for a full refund or exchange. If they say no, what can you offer up for me? Can I exchange this for a viVape and pay the difference between the two?
 

smutman

SmutmanMDCXX
however I have asked Vapornation for a full refund or exchange. If they say no, what can you offer up for me? Can I exchange this for a viVape and pay the difference between the two?
They sent me a Prima as a replacement for my miVape. VaporNation (especially Jonathan or Kyle) will get you square on a refund or exchange.
 

Mynameismud

Accessory Maker
Accessory Maker
im waiting for a replacement although mine still works in the meantime... I asked dan if it would be okay to put it through a stress test, dropping it banging it around etc for everyone concerned about the the plastic materials...
 

smutman

SmutmanMDCXX
im waiting for a replacement although mine still works in the meantime... I asked dan if it would be okay to put it through a stress test, dropping it banging it around etc for everyone concerned about the the plastic materials...
Great idea, what did he say?
 
smutman,

moondog

It's an obsession but it's pleasin'
So I did get my replacement cups/mouthpiece last week. I was going to gather more experiential data before posting any sort of review, and I'm not ready to do that yet. But I do have some information that might be of use to folks, so I thought I'd throw that up quickly.

I've had a couple of long conversations with Dan in the course of which he told me the mouthpiece is made of food-grade, high-heat-resistant polycarbonate. That may or may not make you more comfortable. Myself, I'd rather have ALL glass (frankly, that is what I thought I was getting -as in the vapor path through the plastic would be glass lined like the second gen pong on the Pinnacle Pro), but at least we know for sure what it is.

The first time I charged the unit, my charging indicator did not show above 80% no matter how long I charged it but then showed full when I unplugged it and turned it on. Dan said this seems to be a function of the USB cord not being fully plugged in. The next time I charged it, I made sure the plug was in securely and the indicator did get to 100%

Dan suggested starting at 330F and after a couple of hits turning DOWN to 320 or 325. I found this worked well for me in terms of not charring. I got impressive clouds and the herb was pretty well browned, not charred. Maybe one or two small fragments were still greenish. I think the small screen/spacer idea could really help here. Just waiting for another confirmation that the atmos glass screen (or something like it) will fit in those tiny glass bowls. Could somebody post a photo of that, maybe?

My battery slides out of the compartment fairly easily with just one or two taps. If you're having trouble, try holding the unit by the narrow edges rather than the wide black sides. Maybe applying pressure on the wide sides squeezes the battery compartment somehow. Just a thought.

I don't find that this device gets any hotter than my Pinnacle Pro. My sessions are pretty short, but so far I'm not concerned on that count.

Regarding cleaning the plastic mouthpiece. I've said before I would never use iso on any plastic. I looked at that 420 stuff and other cleaning solutions as well. Not trying to get down on anyone here, but if the product description (or people's testimonials) talks about the product removing gunked up resin from glass in minutes, I would absolutely expect it to be too harsh for plastic. Also, as someone who has worked in natural foods retail for nearly 10 years, my philosophy is: if someone tells you their product is "green" "all-natural", or "earth-friendly", call bullshit and walk away. Those words mean nothing unless backed up with an ingredients list. The fact that I can't find the ingredients for these cleaning solutions guarantees that I will stick with my tried and true cleaning regimen: clean out with brush and/or pick tool soon after every use, deep clean every few weeks using iso on glass and metal and water/scrubbing on plastic.

I am concerned that the only way to clean the interior paths of the plastic part is by soaking, but we'll see how it goes. I mentioned to Dan that I thought it would be an improvement if the glass stem was removable to allow it to be soaked. He agreed and we may see that someday.

Yes, the miVape is still going through growing pains and I understand if some folks are going to find other options. I'm going to stick it out a while longer solely because of Dan's (and by extension, Vaporfection's) commitment to getting this right and taking care of those of us who are willing to invest in them.

Doesn't mean I'm not also lusting after a Grasshopper, though. :brow:

Hope this helps...
 

Vape Dr.

Well-Known Member
Quick update on my mivape.

I talked to Dan today and he is already on top of taking care of me and sending me out a new unit.
It was a pleasant surprise to talk at length to the owner on the phone.
Thank you very much Dan for your time and your excellent customer service.

I know, he knows, we all know I got a faulty unit.... It happens.....

I should have a new unit shortly.

I am looking forward to receiving a properly working unit to review.

I will post my results once I have a properly functioning unit.:tup:
 

Just Justin

Well-Known Member
Dang, tough crowd. @ nonsmoking, in my experience with the miVape, if you pack that cup that full, your going to get uneven heating and a black bottom most likely. I really suggest trying to pack the cup loose, no more than 3/4 full so when you inhale the herb lifts off the bottom a little.

I have had good to great results just by putting less herb in the cup and I have been vaping at 350-360 with no black whats so ever. The top of the herb in the cup sometimes has a few green piece to it but other than that I have had good vapor, clean, no popcorn taste and its been pretty even, brown vaping. I have also had good experience using a small screen shaped to the bottom of the cup to raise the herb off the glass bottom by a few mm and or using a Atmos like glass screen also helps prevent black bottoms and you can pack the cup tighter with these methods. I think I used a Crafty cooling top screen for this and rounded it. And you can try wading up a wax cloth too for a bottom spacer.
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When the cup is packed 3/4 full or less and you inhale, it pulls the herb off the bottom and circulates the heat better. Tap the unit during use a few times to help the herb drop back down into the cup for more even heating. Best of luck to you all but I am actually enjoying the miVape although I do wish the build quality and materials were higher quality.
 

nosmoking

Just so Dab HAppy!
@Just Justin What would you compare the taste of your miVape to be like?

I have tried 3/4 full, 1/2 full and less even. I get pretty even ABV regardless except when full and on 350 or higher. I dont have an issue with the ABV from my miVape. I have an issue with the fact that the glass cup seems to provide more conduction than convection, the vapor path is not truly all glass or glass on glass, and the air path is not isolated.

If you look at the picture I have above where I am using the 18to14 adapter you will see a true convection method that will work with the miVape. The taste gets much better and I only get the popcorn taste when the herbs are spent and evenly brown. Brown like a Solo would make them on setting 4 or 5. I still get something in the taste though that is very similar to what I taste when using my Flowermate Pro and I really think that is due to the air path not being isolated.

I may be part of a tough crowd, but with all the other options setting the standards right now, I cannot justify why I just dropped $260 on this when I have to modify it just to get true convection hits without conduction. And the nonisolated air path...this is really a bigger issue for me than the rest
 

smutman

SmutmanMDCXX
I may be part of a tough crowd, but with all the other options setting the standards right now, I cannot justify why I just dropped $260 on this when I have to modify it just to get true convection hits without conduction. And the nonisolated air path...this is really a bigger issue for me than the rest

Well said again. If you pay over $200 and it doesn't work the way it is suppose to and you have to modify it to get it to work right; then it gets returned and other options are used til the first option gets it right.
 

slcbdco

Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
Doesn't mean I'm not also lusting after a Grasshopper, though. :brow:

Hope this helps...


That helped me sit on my wallet a little longer as I read this thread puffing on my Grasshoppper, still trying to figure out if this or the crafty is going to be the best "session companion" vape as the Grasshooper is definitely ideal as a "personal" device.
 
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Just Justin

Well-Known Member
@Just Justin What would you compare the taste of your miVape to be like?

I have tried 3/4 full, 1/2 full and less even. I get pretty even ABV regardless except when full and on 350 or higher. I dont have an issue with the ABV from my miVape. I have an issue with the fact that the glass cup seems to provide more conduction than convection, the vapor path is not truly all glass or glass on glass, and the air path is not isolated.

If you look at the picture I have above where I am using the 18to14 adapter you will see a true convection method that will work with the miVape. The taste gets much better and I only get the popcorn taste when the herbs are spent and evenly brown. Brown like a Solo would make them on setting 4 or 5. I still get something in the taste though that is very similar to what I taste when using my Flowermate Pro and I really think that is due to the air path not being isolated.

I may be part of a tough crowd, but with all the other options setting the standards right now, I cannot justify why I just dropped $260 on this when I have to modify it just to get true convection hits without conduction. And the nonisolated air path...this is really a bigger issue for me than the rest

I think the taste is comparable to other portable vapes, like the Crafty/Mighty when it isn't charring your herb but it definitely isn't as full or dense as the Crafty/Mighty. IMO, it tastes pure and clean, usually without any foreign tastes mucking up the herb but the flavor isn't as strong, possibly because its such a smaller amount herb and sometimes when the herb sits or gets too hot, then it doesn't taste as good as the C/M. When the unit has been on for awhile, I can detect a little silicone taste probably coming from the bottom of the air intake where there is a piece of silicone tubing that connects the air intake holes with the glass vapor spiral and / or its coming from the seal around the cup/chamber but it's still good to me, way better than the Flowermate vapes, again IMO.

I hear ya and I agree. I was really hoping the miVape would work as advertised, all glass vapor path, not completely, true convection, not completely..... I too, have a lot of concerns with the miVape but I'm glad I have one and I do enjoy using it even though its a picky little bugger and needs some extra attention to get good results unlike say the Crafty where you could throw a nug in there and get good, even heating with great taste but that vape isn't perfect either.......

I like the MiVape because it's different and offers things other portables can't like a removable battery so it can be taken on extended outings and it's pretty tiny, plus it has pretty great battery life, its got a mostly glass air/vapor path and I have had great results with concentrates of all consistencies. I also just like using tiny amounts of herb and the miVape does small very well with great taste most of the time. Its one of my new go to vapes for testing new herb for flavor and effects because of the small amounts and mostly pure flavor that comes through.

I know not everyone likes the miVape and there is a lot of room for improvement but I enjoy it for its own uniqueness. I compare the miVApe to the Elevape Smart in the sense that they both require some playing around and experience to get the best results. Its a labor of love and you can easily burn and get uneven heating with the EVS and same with the miVape but they both can also produce great tasting vapor and provide even heating too, IMO.

I like it but it could be sooooooooooooooooo much better with a re-designed heating system, completely sealed air/vapor path thats really all glass with the exception for the mouthpiece assembly, better construction / higher quality materials, better mouthpiece assembly etc.....I hope Vaporfection release a deluxe miVape with all the bells and whistle because it could be the greatest portable vape with some work.
 

smutman

SmutmanMDCXX
I like it but it could be sooooooooooooooooo much better with a re-designed heating system, completely sealed air/vapor path thats really all glass with the exception for the mouthpiece assembly, better construction / higher quality materials, better mouthpiece assembly etc.....I hope Vaporfection release a deluxe miVape with all the bells and whistle because it could be the greatest portable vape with some work.

Bubba you basically just said "a whole new vape would be better" lol
 
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