Discontinued MistVape Touch

[Alegre]

What are the temp range of this vape?

 

[djchexxx]

What are the temp range of this vape?

Its a manual vape so you can combust in it if you're not careful

 

[Crussell27]

How do I post pics on here? Have some ABV pics I want to put up.

 

[Stu]

How do I post pics on here? Have some ABV pics I want to put up.

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/how-to-post-pictures.155/

 

[rozroz]

got mine
unfortunately no batteries yet so can only make some porn pics.
i just wanna make sure i got a proper button -
it's suppose to be just a touch sensor button, right?
i only need to touch it?
it doesn't move at all?

if so, how do i know i put enough pressure for it to activate?
hope mine is ok!

anyway, kudos to Dave for being a lovely person and a great craftsman.
i will try to make some really nice pics, maybe you could use them.

 

[mistvaporizer]

@rozroz good news you received it no problem. When you have the battery installed - positive pole up!-
you can watch the coil as you hold the button. In about 10 seconds you will see the coil glow. If you try to draw at this point you will combust but do it without any herb and you will get a feel for the button. It is a pressure sensor and only requires about 30 grams of force. If you press you finger on a table top and look at your fingernail you can see a change in the color of the nail. As I gently press down I see the nail get a little redder. This is all the pressure you need on the Touch. Almost literally you are Touching the button and that activates it. The manufacturer of the pressure sensor says it is good for 10 million activations so the Touch should last a long time

What are the temp range of this vape?

The Touch can get quite hot. I exposed a heating coil so I could get a thermocouple next to the coil. I activated the coil and kept it on continuously for 10 minutes. The thermocouple read 770 F about 1 mm from the coil. You can't do that in real life but as @djchexxx said you can combust. I found a 4-6 second on time (drawing all the time) followed by 6 second draw with the button not pressed works nicely. If you hold the button another 3 to 6 seconds you have an electric pipe. A 10 to 12 second on cycle from room temp will make the coil glow and definitely combust.
On the other hand if you go slow and use 4 to 6 second on cycles you can get a light to dark brown abv with great extraction.

 

[Crussell27]

Just put in a fresh LG and this thing heats up super fast. Thank you @mistvaporizer for giving me a hotter coil. Convection perfection.

 

[rozroz]

Just put in a fresh LG and this thing heats up super fast. Thank you @mistvaporizer for giving me a hotter coil. Convection perfection.

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[Crussell27]

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[Shit Snacks]

Yeah my new MVT is here, only had a couple small bowls last night, the new coil definitely heats more thoroughly, glows more completely, faster, more even extraction for sure. Really nice job with the stacked pancake, though the parabola was cool, this certainly seems more effective (especially with the downward angle)

Battery lid screw is much tighter than my last, kinda tedious, and yeah the metal holder isn't so nice, we've discussed other ideas and it will likely change at some point, but it definitely works. The top and bottom are nice and clean, it's very smooth and the quilted maple has that nice iridescent quality. Oh and the brand on the battery side looks great!

Will be back with photos and more thoughts as I go. Need to get my wooden stems from @Alan now (its always so difficult for me to decide on wood types though!)

 

[HellsWindStaff]

Battery lid screw is much tighter than my last, kinda tedious, and yeah the metal holder isn't so nice, we've discussed other ideas and it will likely change at some point, but it definitely works.

Metal holder? That it screws into? I love that. I was worried about boring out the wood by screwing and unscrewing so I dig that metal holder if that's what you're talking about.

Or the metal holder for the door like that little strip? I had neither a positive or negative thought about it just thought it looked fine for door slot.

My coils glow after like 10 seconds. I also hold the button down alot when I use it. I'm like 6 seconds on, one second off, 6 seconds on. I'll fiddle some more tonight with it. I can either stretch a stem into like 7-8 tasty wispy hits, 3 massive clouds that dimish taste substantially each time, or a happy medium at like 5 hits per stem with a good taste at top hit or two followed by a few clouds.

 

[mistvaporizer]

I just received an order of batteries from IMR and what they call button tops are button tops. So I have posted the wrong info, my apologies. Here is the correct link
https://www.imrbatteries.com/samsung-25r-18650-rechargeable-battery/
This is the description
Samsung 25R 18650 2500mAh 20A flat top battery
Got some of the 4 position battery cases and they look good. I'll post pics later.

I also hold the button down alot when I use it. I'm like 6 seconds on, one second off, 6 seconds on.

I don't know how you do it, when I power on that long I always combust. You must have much better lung capacity and are cooling the coil with your inhale. Do you do a high volume inhale?
I think snacks means the metal strip but yes the thumbscrew goes into a copper threaded piece so no worries about stripping the threads. I really like to make things that last so I try hard to make sure all the pieces are sturdy, easy to use and function properly. Snacks we gotta get you an exercise program so the screw isn't so hard to turn, really too hard to turn- come on amigo, I'll send you a tap and you can loosen it up a bit.

 

[StormyPinkness]

I'll have to check the batteries I got to use with an arizer air I used to have, but I think they should work. I think it needed 20a too.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Yeah @HellsWindStaff the metal strip, it's rounded well, but still overhangs slightly and can catch fingers. Not really an issue in use, just not that nice considering the rest of the vape really is. Changing batteries is a bit more involved here than in Milaana for example (but you do get the protection here flipping the door if you want). It also does seem like you draw much faster/harder than me and Dave do, which is cool bc the MVT can accommodate, just means more button holding for you (and maybe weaker battery life as a result?)

Haha yeah @mistvaporizer it was only opened once so far, so I'm sure it will loosen up, it's not really hard to turn, only compared to my first beta is all. Definitely sturdy and works well, functional for sure, but I do need to get back to hitting the gym more regularly too

 

[HellsWindStaff]

@Shit Snacks i actually did notice that once home, mine comes out like a mm and I see what you mean; my finger can't run smoothly

I like the door but it is involved, was hitting outside my rents the other night and that was the most tedious part. By tedious I mean it took like 15 sec lol but I did fumble the lid a bit and was definitely longest part of process.

I do have very good lungs from swim team in my youth

Battery life is good so far but I fell asleep with the cell in crap charger and it does honestly seem a bit weaker since. But I've also been riding high. The day I got 9 stems I was pulsing and drawing slower I have the cell on charger now gonna try to slow the roll. It is nice the versatility as I am able to sip through a stem or crush it quick.

My biggest issue has been drawing too slow but after I've already been hitting fast as then it really kills it quick (and taste as well).

My stem also got dirty. So I popped a freshie in, underdog basket screens fit good, don't sit quite as low but marginally so.

I'll try to get some videos on a fresh charge battery

Edit: I assume it's gravy leaving cell in MVT without flipping if not pushing button? I've been gaming with it and often just set on table and then will reach and hit.

 

[Fat Freddy]

I just received an order of batteries from IMR and what they call button tops are button tops. So I have posted the wrong info, my apologies.

I'm confused...."button tops are button tops"?

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[mistvaporizer]

I assume it's gravy leaving cell in MVT without flipping if not pushing button?

Yep I leave it in all the time as long as I'm not travelling. If the unit is just sitting with no danger of accidental activation (like it would if it was in your pocket or a travel bag) then battery in is fine.

I'm confused...."button tops are button tops"?

sorry Freddy, the Touch takes a flat top. The IMR site had a flat top picture and called it a button top, I got real confused. So button top doesn't work in the Touch, need the flat top.

 

[KeroZen]

Hm I checked your link and it was indeed a button-top 25R but without any protection circuit.

There might be some cases where it's useful (ex: physical reverse polarity protection using the button "nipple") or when the product is designed specially for longer cells and doesn't make good contact with the shorter flat tops.

But at least that confirms that doesn't seem to be any protection circuit for high discharge cells available at the moment.

 

[mistvaporizer]

Got some stems today

The one on the right is called "Lake Green" and will be cut to 2.75" and drilled out for screens.
The other two are for water set ups. They are thin walled so not sure if I can drill them out for screens.
Without drilling the screens can be placed but you need to use push sticks to load and clean the screen.
If anyone wants any of these let me know.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Got some stems today

The one on the right is called "Lake Green" and will be cut to 2.75" and drilled out for screens.
The other two are for water set ups. They are thin walled so not sure if I can drill them out for screens.
Without drilling the screens can be placed but you need to use push sticks to load and clean the screen.
If anyone wants any of these let me know.

Those look awesome!

I wouldn't say no to the green and long adapter

New coil is definitely better btw, such strong single hits with such minimal trigger time

 

[mixchu69]

I know there are a lot of milanna owners that also have the mistvape touch. I really hate hotspots (haven't been using my lsv and Daisy as much) and prefer vapes like my mighty, minivap, herbie, and volcano where it doesn't require thinking and get even abv.

However the strong interest for these manual vapes has grown and I want to give it another try. I think I would prefer the mistvape touch over milanna because the heater is not as powerful? so less hotspots? Can anyone share their experiences regarding the 2 vapes on this issue? Also like the price point.

 

[KeroZen]

While there is surely a correlation between the heater power and the speed at which the hotspot(s) are produced (in this sense the Milaana can be unforgiving and will punish you when you overdo the trigger for one second), I think the heater/coil geometry as well as the air flow dynamics inside the system (from intake to bowl to output) play a bigger role.

 

[HellsWindStaff]

@mixchu69 I don't have to stir, when pulsing/slow draw; nice even extraction.

I did when riding the button long but when I said I had hotspots in a prior post, was more like the center was just super toasted the whole way down, some green and gold on sides. So if that doesn't bug yeah, you could ride it high and fast no stirring too.

Edit: less hotspot too either way if you don't pack to brim and just do half fme

@mistvaporizer ill def grab a long GonG at some point and prob another clear stock. After holidays most likely

 

[mistvaporizer]

I worked with the new double ended gong stems and there isn't room to cut a ledge. You have to position the screen with push sticks so I will supply those. Haven't done anything with the short double ended gong stems, have to figure out how to mount those in the lathe for trimming.

 

[Shit Snacks]

I know there are a lot of milanna owners that also have the mistvape touch. I really hate hotspots (haven't been using my lsv and Daisy as much) and prefer vapes like my mighty, minivap, herbie, and volcano where it doesn't require thinking and get even abv.

However the strong interest for these manual vapes has grown and I want to give it another try. I think I would prefer the mistvape touch over milanna because the heater is not as powerful? so less hotspots? Can anyone share their experiences regarding the 2 vapes on this issue? Also like the price point.

Hmm well usually a hot spot happens in almost any manual pure convection on demand vape that I know of if you don't stir (including Thermovape, Elevape, Firefly, Underdog, LSV, DaisyBricks, etc) so given the vapes you listed it seems like the Grasshopper and I think Venus Apollo might be more up your alley for more automatic pure convection? I mean the Mighty is a total hybrid and Volcano is very automatic, Cloud Evo is mostly too (not sure about Herbie or MiniVap but those seem like maybe the most automatic convection available)

When it comes to avoiding hot spots without stirring, as I am able to do with both my MistVape Touch and my Milaana, the key is trigger use which controls the heat, and draw technique which controls the airflow through the herbs. MVT was easy for me bc of my experience with Milaana probably, but both units I still tend to stir even if not necessarily every hit (unless in a portable situation where I want to be stealthier, like in a movie theater) largely for flavor preservation though its ofcourse makes an even extraction much easier for manual vapes like these.

I will say you may be right that the Touch could provide an easier learning curve for you being slightly slower to get hotter, but really that could make it even harder on you potentially. There is also a difference between 14mm and 18mm (Milaana can do both with DDave mods), their heater designs, airflow paths, and ofcourse the triggers too so all those variables do amount to slightly different experiences though both are extremely efficient, tasty, and effective (and a bit easier to control vs Daisy and LSV for me)

So yeah if you are starting to feel the manual pure convection on demand itch again, despite your more automatic leanings, the price of the Touch makes it more accessible with a potentially more forgiving learning curve as I described. Hope that helps, PM me if you want more comparative details

I worked with the new double ended gong stems and there isn't room to cut a ledge. You have to position the screen with push sticks so I will supply those. Haven't done anything with the short double ended gong stems, have to figure out how to mount those in the lathe for trimming.

Ah so the shorty might be able to take the ledge for the screen okay? If so I'd probably rather one of those then, though only the longer one would work with hydratubes which are a bit too wide for the Mist body if they sit low.

I'm still getting to know my new Touch a bit, while not quite as forgiving as the beta and it's coil, this one is way more efficient so I accidentally killed my bowls sooner than planned and got pretty gone, with varying amounts even. Staying low temp it is easier to get a more even targeted extraction, but even going harder you can get great sizeable hits and solid extraction albeit less tasty as the top of the bowl can "overcook" a bit, though it's narrow enough to not leave much green either.

As always, much more testing to do