MaxVapor E-Nail - 2018 Version

[ReverendMobin]

Wow, I posted last night that I was disappointed not to see @maxvapor710 posting here, and the entire thread explodes .

I think its fair that people were burned by Hex-Nail and are thus a little extra cautious, but I am glad to see the way maxvapor responded to some of the posts in this thread. Still waiting for that video though

 

[Hogni]

....and for an answer to my open question regarding the display and themes

 

[maxvapor710]

@Hogni the default is Yellow / Blue but we can put an all white one in as a drop in replacement.

 

[Elemen0py]

@maxvapor710 I appreciate your presence back in this thread.

Is there any way you could post a pic of one of the aluminum chassis of the new units? I'm guessing that they haven't been manufactured yet or you would have, but if that's the case I'd appreciate it if you could explain why a user on this forum stated that they were told they'd have one in two weeks as of May of last year, and why the vaporenail.com domain (dated Oct 2016) advertises a render of the aluminium design as a 2017 product.

I'm not trying to stir up shit here and if I'm creating controversy for what is a legitimate product then I wholeheartedly apologise, but there's still some things here that don't seem to add up. If you can upload any video or pictures at all of the new unit and its functionality I'll be the first one to sing its praises to potential buyers and I'll edit my previous posts to reflect that my skepticism was unfounded.

When you spoke of uploading a video a few weeks ago you seemed pretty confident that all that was missing was the voiceover. If you could give us a preview of any of that footage at all, I'm sure it would ease a lot of minds.

 

[maxvapor710]

Thanks for the response. It was a bit of a rhetorical question. I’m a tech so I know making something like this isn’t that difficult which makes all these “cutting edge” products end up as vapor ware. I just want an enail that has WiFi and Bluetooth so I can connect to my home automation and have better features than my cheap setup that just sets a temp. At the very least I wanted the auto-shutoff and connected aspect of it. So frustrating...

It seems easy when you can turn out prototypes at home with such little effort and I agree a lot of products end up as vaporware because they promise things that don't exist and sell their product based on those. I assure you our product is real and is sitting here in my office in a neat pile waiting to be boxed up and shipped to you guys.

The main hurdle we have had for release of our current unit is obtaining our FCC ID and clearance. We are not allowed to ship the product until we have that FCC ID back from the testing lab and can slap it on our product.

Any piece of electronics which contains a Bluetooth or WiFi radio sold in the United States must have this or it is not legal for sale. Anyone not in compliance with this law is subject to a $500 per day fine (per device). Even if you use all pre-certified parts (our Bluetooth and WiFi radio already has its own FCC ID), the FCC requires you to re-test your device 'as-shipped' as an Unintentional Radiator.

This also leads me to question other similar products for sale which contain WiFi and / or Bluetooth radios and to the legality of such devices.

We are getting down to the wire with our lab releasing certification, but we still have one more day to go in August so our hopes here are still very high we will get it back before tomorrow.

@maxvapor710 I appreciate your presence back in this thread.

Is there any way you could post a pic of one of the aluminum chassis of the new units? I'm guessing that they haven't been manufactured yet or you would have, but if that's the case I'd appreciate it if you could explain why a user on this forum stated that they were told they'd have one in two weeks as of May of last year, and why the vaporenail.com domain (dated Oct 2016) advertises a render of the aluminium design as a 2017 product.

I'm not trying to stir up shit here and if I'm creating controversy for what is a legitimate product then I wholeheartedly apologise, but there's still some things here that don't seem to add up. If you can upload any video or pictures at all of the new unit and its functionality I'll be the first one to sing its praises to potential buyers and I'll edit my previous posts to reflect that my skepticism was unfounded.

When you spoke of uploading a video a few weeks ago you seemed pretty confident that all that was missing was the voiceover. If you could give us a preview of any of that footage at all, I'm sure it would ease a lot of minds.

Sure, this is what one of the units looks like from the outside: https://ibb.co/mfoH3U

The 2017 and 2018 Units look identical from the outside, the only thing changed is the electronics to add new functionality. The cases may have been manufactured in late 2016 but it is considered our '2017' product as that was when it was officially launched.

I believe I already answered your question regarding the member on this forum receiving a refund when we had supply issues but if I missed something let me know.

Regarding the voiceover, I still haven't received the edited video back so I promised you guys I would put together my own homegrown video which I did. My legal counsel asked I not post the video because I stupidly used sound samples from Robocop and images from Deadpool in the video to demonstrate the Sound and Boot Screen functionality which they were not too fond of. I am doing my best to get an impromptu video posted as soon as I can but I am not willing to set any more self imposed deadlines on that.

 

[Elemen0py]

Sure, this is what one of the units looks like from the outside: https://ibb.co/mfoH3U

Thanks I appreciate that. It has a slightly rougher look than what I'm used to with anodized aluminum so I'd assumed that the image on the website of the internals with the chassis in the backgroud was actually a 3D printed prototype. That was one of the biggest issues for me... not having a photo of a the machined aluminum when it should have been around for a while. I'm still keen to see what the silver version looks like because that's the model I want to buy, but I'm satisfied with what you've posted for now so there's no rush to post that unless you have a pic handy.

Regarding the voiceover, I still haven't received the edited video back so I promised you guys I would put together my own homegrown video which I did. My legal counsel asked I not post the video because I stupidly used sound samples from Robocop and images from Deadpool in the video to demonstrate the Sound and Boot Screen functionality which they were not too fond of.

I'd buy that for a dollar.

Thanks for the update. I think I can safely switch back to moderately hyped for now and I'll edit my previous posts accordingly.

Edit: I've edited my follow up comment but I can't edit my original one. I'm no conspiracy theorist but I'm pretty sure it's because of the illuminati.

 

[maxvapor710]

I am still going through everyones replies to see if there is anything I missed so give me some time still.

@Elemen0py I think I posted this image already but this is the silver one on the inside and is all I have on me at the moment: https://ibb.co/dgPtSp

I am out of the office right now but, give me a few hours and I will get you a pic of a big stack of the aluminum chassis ready to go.

 

[JigMelon]

This also leads me to question other similar products for sale which contain WiFi and / or Bluetooth radios and to the legality of such devices.

Yea this is among the issues I've alluded to. There are absolutely things which have been overlooked.

Regarding the voiceover, I still haven't received the edited video back so I promised you guys I would put together my own homegrown video which I did. My legal counsel asked I not post the video because I stupidly used sound samples from Robocop and images from Deadpool

Another sign that your company takes the proper measures to ensure success; major brownie points 'round here.

https://ibb.co/dgPtSp

That is GORGEOUS, AND, it's serviceable.

 

[ReverendMobin]

Yea this is among the issues I've alluded to. There are absolutely things which have been overlooked.



Another sign that your company takes the proper measures to ensure success; major brownie points 'round here.



That is GORGEOUS, AND, it's serviceable.

To me, the way that @maxvapor710 has come back to the forums to clear up everything has been handled well. Yes, I would have liked not to have the radio silence, but its good to have concrete answers given to our questions, and the answers given do build confidence in the product. Still waiting for that video before I order my own though

 

[Elemen0py]

@Elemen0py I think I posted this image already but this is the silver one on the inside and is all I have on me at the moment: https://ibb.co/dgPtSp

I don't know how I managed to miss it but yeah, it seems you posted it on the second page. If I had have noticed it I would have saved myself a pretty substantial rant. But that was what I was looking for and it's a nice looking, well assembled unit.

 

[maxvapor710]

@Elemen0py here is a box of the aluminum chassis ready to be assembled

 

[Hogni]

Yes, the silver one it is!

 

[ellis d. tripp]

Thank you maxvapor for responding. I was starting to get anxiety reading this thread, feel better now though. Going to continue to wait patiently and hope for the best.

 

[Elemen0py]

here is a box of the aluminum chassis ready to be assembled

Looking good.

Way back before anyone had a reason to doubt Hex-Nail, I'd discussed the possibility of fabricating my own custom stainless steel enclosure for one of their units. This is the type of industrial design that appeals to me for my paraphernalia; stainless steel/aluminum and unmarked scientific glass.

I just wish the Sublimator team would get their shit together and put a product back on the market because a Sub for dry herb sitting next to this unit with a nice scientific dab rig would be a hell of a thing to look at.

 

[Ramahs]

 

[Blargas541]

Lots of people seem happy with a few pics of incomplete units, are you guys forgetting they were supposed to be shipping out NOW?

 

[Monsoon]

Lots of people seem happy with a few pics of incomplete units, are you guys forgetting they were supposed to be shipping out NOW?

Yeah and he explained before why and again today in more detail why it's being delayed:

The main hurdle we have had for release of our current unit is obtaining our FCC ID and clearance. We are not allowed to ship the product until we have that FCC ID back from the testing lab and can slap it on our product.

Any piece of electronics which contains a Bluetooth or WiFi radio sold in the United States must have this or it is not legal for sale. Anyone not in compliance with this law is subject to a $500 per day fine (per device). Even if you use all pre-certified parts (our Bluetooth and WiFi radio already has its own FCC ID), the FCC requires you to re-test your device 'as-shipped' as an Unintentional Radiator.

So you can put your pitchfork away at least in regards to that. It's a pre-order, I've played that game personally more than a dozen times and it's almost a standard 1-3 months tacked on because sometimes even the most perfect planning goes to shit. Just ask CCA710, they're crap at making targets but they're not a scam and despite that they have a loyal rabid following. If you want to be 100% safe, just pay more for it after it's release and user reviews are out. If you pre-order it now and use paypal or a credit card, it's also no risk since there are dispute mechanisms built in to each for at least 6 months. He's promised refunds so that's moot.

I understand people are a bit jittery after the other company went under I don't think it's fair to assume it's a scam just because the guy took an FC vacation. I think their credentials have been established and I think it's fair to take him at face value until user reviews prove otherwise. They've said the pre-order savings will likely only be around $50 so if your reservations are worth that much, just wait until then to buy.

I also think before we suggest that a company or product is a scam again, we should try to reach out through all avenues and give them the benefit of the doubt before thinking the worst. If they started refusing refunds or there's no contact for a month and their phone line is disconnected or not being answered then maybe we should sound the alarm.

 

[Ramahs]

Okay, I've put mine down....

I might hang onto the torch for a little whole though...just in case...but I'm satiated for the time being.

 

[maxvapor710]

It has been brought to my attention that I probably should have given myself a little bit more of an introduction here as we are a new poster despite lurking here for quite a long time.

Most of the posters here who aren't familiar with us on other platforms could assume we are new to the industry or a fly-by-night company who popped up out of nowhere to steal your money amidst a controversy and I hope I can do my best to re-assure you that is not the case.

We have been involved with the industry professionally in some form or another since 2013, and have maintained our online storefront MaxVaporNail.com since 2016 when we began selling Saionara, Divine Tribe and distillate cartridge products and many of you may even be past customers of ours without realizing it.

We were also one of the first on the market to release a commercial product using the DNA75c chipset in an enclosure that shares the design language of the MaxVapor enail units and many of you probably own that product as well.

We have a very active presence on the /r/waxpen subreddit under the username Maxvapor710 and we can always be reached there by private message or via email (support@maxvapornail.com) and I assure you MaxVapor as a company is not going anywhere anytime soon. I will do my best to maintain a more active presence here now as well.

I understand some people are on edge due to the actions of other "companies" in the industry that aren't real companies, so I just wanted to again say that if you are unhappy with your pre-order or we made you feel uneasy in any way just send us an email and you will get a refund promptly. We are a well funded company that designs electronic devices and writes software, we do not and will not ever use funds from a pre-order to fund development of an unreleased product.

 

[Elemen0py]

@maxvapor710 nah mate we're all good now.

Seriously, it's almost comical just how much timing was not on your side.

Hexnail was like this dream combination of elements for an enail PID controller with external connectivity and tweakability where users can dial in their settings and exchange those profiles with others. That story has been told to death so I ain't gonna go into it but needless to say it left a forum full of people licking their wounds and feeling disillusioned. The bamboozle was real. Enter MaxVapor kicking in the door and being like "good news guys, here's an enail PID controller with external connectivity and tweakability where users can dial in their settings and exchange those profiles with others".

It's perfectly reasonable to not post on a forum for a couple of weeks and with any other category of devices or on any other forum you'd have been golden. But see, we'd been hurt, and those wounds were still bleeding, man. Memories were still fresh... the things that were said... the things that we saw... all that... all that glue...

Sorry. We're just... we just don't want to talk about it.

I know I rustled a few jimmies with my post dialed to maximum skeptical but the crucial point there is that I'd missed your post earlier where you uploaded pictures of the enclosure as well as the internals. For me, the fact that you'd supposedly been retailing the device in this enclosure for some time but that I hadn't seen one was a huge red flag. It still amazes me that I haven't seen more reviews and general exposure for previous iterations of the device because I like to think I'm fairly clued in with that shit, as are most people here. That, coupled with your absence in this thread and the lack of the video that you'd mentioned just tipped me into full Fox Mulder mode.

At this point I'm confident that you have a great little piece of kit on your hands and I know most people here feel the same, but I think a lot of us here, particularly those with a hexagonal shaped hole burned into their wallets, are still going to hold off on a pre-order. I'm almost certain that a trusted member who's taken the plunge will give it a write-up here and then we'll be all over it like flies on shiny brushed aluminum shit, but bear with us if it takes us a while to reopen our hearts and wallets. If you were flying by the seat of your pants and living from pre-order to pre-order I can see how that could be an issue, but I'm confident that this isn't the case with MaxVapor and that you have the requisite capital and structure for this not to go tits up.

 

[Hogni]

@maxvapor710, do you have build mods? Look around, the crowd is crying for a side-by-side mod with DNA 250c chip (or better up to then) for all their fat 510 vape attys. So the 510 bases would to have be wide enough to hold a 27-30 mm atty. There is a big need for such a mod and that's just the beginning of a flood of fat 510 vape attys.

Perhaps something like that made of alu or ss?

Sorry for being bit OT!

 

[SilentJ]

@SilentJ I wasn't able to find any pre-order links on our website that aren't working correctly. Could you please let me know which site you see this on?

I’m seeing this on the maxvapor.com site. When I go to it and click on the first preorder button it gives a “Content not found” in a white overlay of the top image. If I go farther down and try one of the links for the individual units that takes me to maxvapornail.com which does work.

It seems easy when you can turn out prototypes at home with such little effort and I agree a lot of products end up as vaporware because they promise things that don't exist and sell their product based on those. I assure you our product is real and is sitting here in my office in a neat pile waiting to be boxed up and shipped to you guys.

Thank you for taking the time to address the various concerns that have been brought up. I hope that you don’t interpret my posts as being dismissive of your product or you as a business man. I actually was wanting to give you benefit of a doubt that you were a legitimate company as I bought one of your atomizers off a friend and love it. It was just distressing when there wasn’t any response from you for a prolonged time which, as has been mentioned, triggered some recent wounds for some of us. I can understand the legal issue with posting the video with copyright issues but in that case I’d say release a tidbit without audio. All we ask is to see a functioning unit. Posting the chassis video is a good first step. I look forward to seeing a functioning unit in the future and hopefully procuring one for myself. However, since we haven’t seen said video yet will you be extending the preorder period? I’d be willing to put down a preorder once I saw the video and I’m sure many others would too.

 

[maxvapor710]

@SilentJ I recorded this video as a peace offering until I can get the other video completed.

This is the unit I have on my desk currently because the developers took my new one away.

It is an older revision from late 2017 and has default pid settings with no calibration which is why there is a little overshoot on boot but I hope this at least settles the debate that we have a real device that you can actually do dabs on.

Regarding the pre-order it will continue until we either run out of chassis allotted or we received our FCC clearance, whichever comes first.

edit: it also seems to be missing the knob on the side but at least you can get an idea.

 

[SilentJ]

@SilentJ I recorded this video as a peace offering until I can get the other video completed.

This is the unit I have on my desk currently because the developers took my new one away.

It is an older revision from late 2017 and has default pid settings with no calibration which is why there is a little overshoot on boot but I hope this at least settles the debate that we have a real device that you can actually do dabs on.

Regarding the pre-order it will continue until we either run out of chassis allotted or we received our FCC clearance, whichever comes first.

edit: it also seems to be missing the knob on the side but at least you can get an idea.

That’ll do it. Thanks for that! Definitely a nice piece of gear I’ll definitely put down for a preorder now. Looking forward to seeing how the connected features work. On that note, do you intend on adding HomeKit support since they do software based auth now? I know you’re doing IFTTT.

 

[maxvapor710]

Right now as far as integrations go we have IFTTT, Alexa, SmartThings, Slack and you can mirror our MQTT broker to your own server if you have your own.

I believe the guys are currently working on getting Philips Hue support but I will ask about HomeKit.

Just from looking at the page, we would have to be in the MFi program to be able to sell the unit with that feature but they offer it for Hobbyists and Makers so we could probably offer it as a non-standard you have to download and install yourself or something.