Magical Butter

[Vapor King]

Loose kief would be most desirable.. if pressed kief, break it up well in spite of the unit having a blender.
I use 10 to 12 grams of kief for a full pound of butter as a ratio.
And then there is this:

Awesome info everyone!! I was thinking of going the extract / kief route. Thinking it would have less of a green taste...and not the good green either. Would I be loosing anything to extract by running the flower through some bags to make some bubble hash and just use that.

 

[killick]

I have a bunch of kief I wasn't really sure what to do with (it really accumulates fast using a screen-bottomed box). I'll put a scoop in budder next time...

To sprinkle on toast wouldn't you want to decarb first?

 

[grokit]

I have a bunch of kief I wasn't really sure what to do with (it really accumulates fast using a screen-bottomed box). I'll put a scoop in budder next time...

To sprinkle on toast wouldn't you want to decarb first?

Good point. Make it a grilled cheese, "green" style

 

[slimjimham]

Hey I just got this thing and love it, what ratio are you using for tincture and what's best vg or everclear?

For anyone thinking about it they sent me a $25 off link after I bought one so my buddies could get a deal.

http://magicalbutter.refr.cc/JFGDNKB
^$25 off ($150+ship)

... wish I had a coupon when I bought mine ha. Also remember if you don't buy direct there's no warranty so use the link

I should mention I'm using high quality sugarleaf

Mod note: posts merged

 

[Vitolo]

what's best vg or everclear?

That is very personal, and they are very different.
Glycerin gives mild euphorics, and has a sweet taste, while everclear gives full spectrum and has a burning bitter taste.

 

[Vapor King]

Can you make just a cup of butter and then rise the amount with water to get to min line in unit

 

[grokit]

Can you make just a cup of butter and then rise the amount with water to get to min line in unit

Yes, but the directions say no water because if it goes above the line it could destroy the machine.

 

[killick]

"destroy the machine' sounds almost as bad as 'destroy all humans' (what TV show was that from? I recall a robot gargley voice...)
I'm sure the machine wouldn't be damaged any worse than if it were overfilled with Everclear or Butter. So long as it's not overfilled I can't see why it wouldn't work with water to bring the liquid volume up, in much the same way you would with a pot crock.

For smaller amounts you could also just put your cup of butter and herb into jar in a pot of water on the stove and simmer for awhile. Not the same level of extraction and grinding, but works great for small batches.

 

[momofthegoons]

The only problem with adding water is that it will infuse/whip into the butter and become a solid. You will have to reheat it afterwards to remove the water by putting the reheated butter in the fridge to separate.

 

[cannacane84]

I forgot to put the lecithin in with my oil. I did 2 ounces of reggie along with an ounce of trim and just a little over 2 cups of oil on 160 for 2 hrs. Would it be possible for me to run it through again along with the lecithin with it getting ruined

And by the way I love this site. I like that with in no time there is always someone answering your questions. So all u guys who participate in doin that your awesome and thank you. It really he l ps alot.

My ratio is 1 oz. of good bud to 1 c. of butter for edibles. If using trim, I use 2 oz. If using abv, I use 3 oz. The same ratio for oil.


You need to be more careful with this since it is more concentrated. I'm not sure what the generalized ratio is. Perhaps @Vitolo could chime in here and help?

Also I forgot to add in my lecithin. I did 2 ounces of reggie and 1 ounces of trim and 2 cups of oil for 2 hours. Can I add my lecithin now and run it for another hr.

 

[Vitolo]

Perhaps just enjoy it as it is without the lecithin this time.. and do it with Lecithin next time. Then you can compare results from an educated stance.

 

[Vapor King]

Awesome info everyone!! I was thinking of going the extract / kief route. Thinking it would have less of a green taste...and not the good green either. Would I be loosing anything to extract by running the flower through some bags to make some bubble hash and just use that.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?? Good idea? not worth it? Am I losing anything? or gaining anything by doing it either way??

 

[CarolKing]

Anyone have any thoughts on this?? Good idea? not worth it? Am I losing anything? or gaining anything by doing it either way??

Couldn't you put your oil through another 2 hour process and add your lecithin? I've noticed quite a few run their product longer than the 2 hours anyway. You've used a lot of product, you want it to turn out the best you can get it, a lot of $ invested.

 

[cannacane84]

Man I am about to fucking snap. Really. Ive done spent well over 1000 dollars before I bought this machine and couldn't get it right now another 1000 later not all at once but all 2gether I still cant get it right. But the thing im pist about is isnt w h at th i s machine is supposed to do... WORK... And make it where u dont fuck your shit up. I ran 3 ounces of material with 2 ounces of oil. And 6 teaspoons and 2 1/2 hrs later, not a goddamn thing. Man somebody please help me get this figured out please. Im bout loose it!

 

[CarolKing]

Did you already get rid of the material that you strained? If you didn't discard I would run it through again I think you need longer than the 2 hours cycle time. I ran an ounce and a half and 2 ounces of ABV and I didn't get potency that I wanted. I ran it through as what it said in the directions.

I understand the frustration since most of us don't get our product for free.

 

[Vitolo]

Would I be loosing anything to extract by running the flower through some bags to make some bubble hash and just use that.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?? Good idea? not worth it? Am I losing anything? or gaining anything by doing it either way??

bit by bit, step by step the more steps taken, the more product (by the very nature of manufacturing) becomes lost/degraded/wasted.

Man I am about to fucking snap.

Personally I still make my butter/tincture/products the old fashioned way.
I have used the machine repeatedly, but it was not for me.
Maybe you should give this a try.
Maybe you are more of a hands-on sort of person.

...I still cant get it right.

Canna... I do not understand at all. What can you not get right?
Is the butter not effective?
Does it taste funny?
Do you wish it was stronger?
If potency is an issue, perhaps you are one of those people that just does not "get" the medibles buzz.
Please explain "I still cant get it right"

 

[cannacane84]

bit by bit, step by step the more steps taken, the more product (by the very nature of manufacturing) becomes lost/degraded/wasted.

Personally I still make my butter/tincture/products the old fashioned way.
I have used then machine repeatedly, but it was not for me.
Maybe you should give this a try.
Maybe you are more of a hands-on sort of person.

Canna... I do not understand at all. What can you not get right?
Is the butter not effective?
Does it taste funny?
Do you wish it was stronger?
If potency is an issue, perhaps you are one of those people that just does not "get" the medibles buzz.
Please explain "I still cant get it right"

Yes I just want it to be stronger I can barely feel anything. I almost am to the point where Im like am I immune to this shit? Fareal

 

[outletboy]

Man I am about to fucking snap. Really. Ive done spent well over 1000 dollars before I bought this machine and couldn't get it right now another 1000 later not all at once but all 2gether I still cant get it right. But the thing im pist about is isnt w h at th i s machine is supposed to do... WORK... And make it where u dont fuck your shit up. I ran 3 ounces of material with 2 ounces of oil. And 6 teaspoons and 2 1/2 hrs later, not a goddamn thing. Man somebody please help me get this figured out please. Im bout loose it!

Maybe you need stronger material?
Did you decarb at all?

3 oz of material to 2oz of oil ?.. you mean 16oz of oil???..
If you mean two cups(16oz) it should have worked fine if you decarbed and ran it threw the machine for atleast 2 hours.

6 teaspoons is 1/8th a cup.
If you had 2 cups that's 1/16th of your 3 oz of material you just consumed (out of 84 G's).

so assuming you used 3 oz you should have eaten the equivalent 5.25 grams,
sounds to me that you didn't decarb properly or you may need stronger material or you have a very strong tolerance, maybe take a small break? ...idk

 

[Vitolo]

Yes I just want it to be stronger I can barely feel anything. I almost am to the point where Im like am I immune to this shit? Fareal

Canna.
Tolerance is a real thing.
Change strains... change growers... MJ from other climates/soils help with that also.
If all Cannabis no longer does it for you, then in some circles you would be revered and envied for your grand experience and exposure to meds.

 

[cannacane84]

Did you already get rid of the material that you strained? If you didn't discard I would run it through again I think you need longer than the 2 hours cycle time. I ran an ounce and a half and 2 ounces of ABV and I didn't get potency that I wanted. I ran it through as what it said in the directions.

I understand the frustration since most of us don't get our product for free.

Did it come out stronger. I just dont want to end up burning it

 

[killick]

It won't burn. I did a 3 session run on my cocobuddr last batch. The first hour at low, then bumped up for the next 2. I may have left it in the fridge overnight between runs to freeze to 'increase bioavailability' (never tried it before, so thought what the heck). Anyways it won't burn. It's all good.

 

[momofthegoons]

@cannacane84 There are a few variables that could be having an effect here.

*Did you decarb your herb?
*What type of oil did you use? Coconut oil is preferred by Magical Butter and olive oil works well too
(or a blend)

One thing I do to increase potency is cover the herb in the oil overnight in the machine PRIOR to running it. Then, I do the normal 1 hour run @ 160 the next day. I let the sludge settle prior to straining.

I have not used lecithin in the past, but plan to the next edible batch I make. It is not necessary and many don't use it. But I want to see what the difference is.

Another trick is to add a gram or so of kief into the oil.

 

[killick]

Which reminds me that I read somewhere to increase availability on coconut budder that a shot of alcohol might help. It might, so I put a 2 oz shot of Everclear in the last batch of cocobudder. It's a great batch, according to the coffee I make with it

 

[MrNaturalAZ]

Just wondering how much people are using for their magical butter MB2 recipes of each product and what level of potency you would call it (I know subjective)
of ABV, Trim, fresh, extracts. per butter/oils

I do coconut oil, and I use an ounce of bud for the minimum (2-cup) quantity of oil. Put in the oil and herb, do an hour cycle at 220 to decarb, add lecithin, then a 2-hour cycle at 160.

Man I am about to fucking snap. Really. Ive done spent well over 1000 dollars before I bought this machine and couldn't get it right now another 1000 later not all at once but all 2gether I still cant get it right. But the thing im pist about is isnt w h at th i s machine is supposed to do... WORK... And make it where u dont fuck your shit up. I ran 3 ounces of material with 2 ounces of oil. And 6 teaspoons and 2 1/2 hrs later, not a goddamn thing. Man somebody please help me get this figured out please. Im bout loose it!

Did you decarb? Either in the oven, as described in the manual, or by running a 220-degree cycle as I described above?

If you still have the stuff, you might try throwing it back in the machine (including the dregs if you saved 'em) and run a one-hour cycle at 220 and see if that doesn't improve the potency.

 

[grokit]

Doesn't the decarb need to be done before the extraction takes place?