Except the instructions for the mb explicitly say not to add water. You got specific instructions to add a limited amount of water because of your altitude, that doesn't mean anyone can add as much water as they like. So unless the manufacturer comes on and says its actually not a problem, I think I'll stay safe and follow their instructions.....
Magical Butter
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Except the instructions for the mb explicitly say not to add water. You got specific instructions to add a limited amount of water because of your altitude, that doesn't mean anyone can add as much water as they like. So unless the manufacturer comes on and says its actually not a problem, I think I'll stay safe and follow their instructions.....
killick
But I like it!
@Biznatch Then you should continue making larger batches and stick to the directions completely. But from a common sense perspective if alcohol, butter, oil, whatever can work in there without issue, so will water. It's not rocket science. The biggest difference between this and a slow cooker is the immersion blender fitting and more temp controls. And some led lighting.
I like using the forums to know if I'm on the right track with something, and also to learn and share new ideas. If you don't like learning new ways to get more value out of your widgets that's really your own personal direction.
The MB machine directions also doesn't state to use it outdoors when it's evaporating hot alcohol. Check with any firefighter about what you should be doing when working around hot alcohol fumes some time... Hint - it's much worse than hot water fumes...
I like using the forums to know if I'm on the right track with something, and also to learn and share new ideas. If you don't like learning new ways to get more value out of your widgets that's really your own personal direction.
The MB machine directions also doesn't state to use it outdoors when it's evaporating hot alcohol. Check with any firefighter about what you should be doing when working around hot alcohol fumes some time... Hint - it's much worse than hot water fumes...
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
@Biznatch, What I've noticed with the Magical Butter Maker, the company keeps changing the directions on this machine. I'll think I need to do it a certain way then I find out that the directions have changed again. You need to read the instructions online to be up to date. Don't assume the directions with the unit are correct.
FC is a place where we exchange ideas. You can use the info or not. Thanks @killick I may decide to add water next time I use the magical butter maker. I would also reuse the same butter or oil to increase the potency, if it wasn't strong enough. That tidbit of info is not in the instructions either, but I think it's a helpful suggestion.
Open up to some of the suggestions the members have, you may actually learn something in the process. Do what you think is best.
FC is a place where we exchange ideas. You can use the info or not. Thanks @killick I may decide to add water next time I use the magical butter maker. I would also reuse the same butter or oil to increase the potency, if it wasn't strong enough. That tidbit of info is not in the instructions either, but I think it's a helpful suggestion.
Open up to some of the suggestions the members have, you may actually learn something in the process. Do what you think is best.
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killick
But I like it!
@CarolKing re the double-batching - I made a 2 cup batch of MCT oil as the very first thing I did with the machine. It wasn't all decarbed, and I thought the '160 at 1 hour' setting was too short, so I did it for 4 hours at 210. It was pretty good.
Then I found the Facebook forum, 'Magical Butter Users United', and learned *a lot* on there. IE don't trust the decarb as it's so narrow, do multiple runs with the same ingredients, do long soaks between multiple runs for some things, open it up midway to check and make sure you are happy with it, then restart, etc, etc. Lots of great info and helpful people on there as well.
After kinda flubbing my 196 proof tinc (it's recovered, but I have no clue what the strength is, but it leaves a green film behind on glass and stainless steel, so I think it's kinda strong) I did more reading. I put my 2 cups of pre-MB'd MCT oil back into the MB, added the remaining 2 cups of MCT oil and 50g decarbed bud, and ran a 4 hour 200 tinc session, followed by a 1 hour butter at 160. From the ~50g of herb there is maybe 1/2 inch of goop on the bottom. The rest of the herb is embedded in the MCT oil. It tastes fantastic! I put 3 tablespoons in 3/4 cup of coffee, then topped with milk - delicious happy brekkie drink
@Biznatch I didn't mean to come across as grumpy, but people that tend to follow direction well tend not to spend a ton of time on marijuana forums, so I was a bit startled. To each their own. Deel free to ask away about anything in the forums, and lots of people will be happy to share their knowledge - it's what makes the interweb so great, and this part of it so special!
Then I found the Facebook forum, 'Magical Butter Users United', and learned *a lot* on there. IE don't trust the decarb as it's so narrow, do multiple runs with the same ingredients, do long soaks between multiple runs for some things, open it up midway to check and make sure you are happy with it, then restart, etc, etc. Lots of great info and helpful people on there as well.
After kinda flubbing my 196 proof tinc (it's recovered, but I have no clue what the strength is, but it leaves a green film behind on glass and stainless steel, so I think it's kinda strong) I did more reading. I put my 2 cups of pre-MB'd MCT oil back into the MB, added the remaining 2 cups of MCT oil and 50g decarbed bud, and ran a 4 hour 200 tinc session, followed by a 1 hour butter at 160. From the ~50g of herb there is maybe 1/2 inch of goop on the bottom. The rest of the herb is embedded in the MCT oil. It tastes fantastic! I put 3 tablespoons in 3/4 cup of coffee, then topped with milk - delicious happy brekkie drink
@Biznatch I didn't mean to come across as grumpy, but people that tend to follow direction well tend not to spend a ton of time on marijuana forums, so I was a bit startled. To each their own. Deel free to ask away about anything in the forums, and lots of people will be happy to share their knowledge - it's what makes the interweb so great, and this part of it so special!
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killick
But I like it!
PS - since separating the sludge from the MCT oil I wanst sure what to do with the sludge, but tossing it seemed wasteful. I now have a bunch of 00 cannacaps. They work great! A couple of caps in the am, plus a coffee or tea with enhanced MCT oil, and I'm off to a great start to the day!
The MB machine is a great addition to the kitchen and will save a lot of processing time each month.
The MB machine is a great addition to the kitchen and will save a lot of processing time each month.
grokit
well-worn member
I'm finally getting around to this again. I have lets say a few quarts each of sugar trim and abv. I washed a bunch of the abv and dried it but then said screw it I'm mainly after cannacaps, taste isn't the priority so I am also using the unwashed abv. I have a big tub of coconut oil that's a a bit dated but seems okay.
I put a cup or two of oil, a bunch of the trim/abv, a splash of water, and a dollop of sunflower lecithin in the mbm, and fired it up at 190f for two hours. I was surprised that there was a couple of burnt spots, decided that it prolly needs more water next time. Repeated with mostly fresh oil, and was on hand to monitor.
I thought it was odd that the mbm boils liquids on the 190f setting!? It was clearly bubbling the liquid after just 10-15 minutes so I changed the heat setting to 160f for the second batch, which is the recommended oil temperature anyways. Boiling temperature is 212f, so it's not surprising that this thing can burn.
My plan is to re-use the oil as mach as possible in subsequent batches as I plow through this material, making it as strong as possible so the higher temp seemed justified at first but 160f it is from now on. I have been using a combination of fine mesh strainer for dripping and cheesecloth for squeezing.
I have a pill maker and a bunch of empty gelatin capsules, I may try using a pet syringe or something to keep from making a big mess. I've never made capsules of any kind and would like to keep these as clean as possible, so any suggestions would be appreciated!
I put a cup or two of oil, a bunch of the trim/abv, a splash of water, and a dollop of sunflower lecithin in the mbm, and fired it up at 190f for two hours. I was surprised that there was a couple of burnt spots, decided that it prolly needs more water next time. Repeated with mostly fresh oil, and was on hand to monitor.
I thought it was odd that the mbm boils liquids on the 190f setting!? It was clearly bubbling the liquid after just 10-15 minutes so I changed the heat setting to 160f for the second batch, which is the recommended oil temperature anyways. Boiling temperature is 212f, so it's not surprising that this thing can burn.
My plan is to re-use the oil as mach as possible in subsequent batches as I plow through this material, making it as strong as possible so the higher temp seemed justified at first but 160f it is from now on. I have been using a combination of fine mesh strainer for dripping and cheesecloth for squeezing.
I have a pill maker and a bunch of empty gelatin capsules, I may try using a pet syringe or something to keep from making a big mess. I've never made capsules of any kind and would like to keep these as clean as possible, so any suggestions would be appreciated!
momofthegoons
vapor accessory addict
Several members of the Magical Butters United group recommend not exceeding 160 degrees. I never go above it and have had good results.
This and the burnt spots make me wonder if it's an altitude problem. Adding more liquid would solve that. Just make sure you never go above the max line.
For those of you wondering what to do with the sludge left over? Never throw it out!!! There are plenty of actives left in that. Capsules, bath salts, edibles.... use your imagination. The caps are hard to make without making a mess but are worth the effort. I have heard, however, that the kits for standing them up aren't worth the money or effort. You still get a mess.
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I kept my leftover sludge and put it in a bag for later use. I then used it to slather on my sore arthritic feet. I leave it on for 10 or 15 min or so. It really helps to lesson the pain and I can feel my feet tingling even later on. Also my feet are so soft afterwards.
I second that, never throw away the sludge.
I second that, never throw away the sludge.
momofthegoons
vapor accessory addict
They don't recommend putting it in butter; that's for sure! I made that mistake and the butter was worthless.
The only place I recall seeing a water addition recommended is when making things with Everclear. I don't recall seeing it recommended with oil.
Vitolo
Vaporist
Worthless butter is salvageable.
Re heat it to a very low boil in a pan.. re-pour it into a measuring cup, and it will separate for you... refrigerate and all is made right.
killick
But I like it!
momofthegoons
vapor accessory addict
I reached out to Magical Butter today and asked them to come back to FC and check in on us. I hope they'll take me up on it.
StonedPerk
Light up the world
Is it me or am I the only person who thinks a jar full of abv smells like some really good ground up coffee? Same with brand new vaporizer units they smell like brand new sneakers what is this robot fart smell I hear of?
grokit
well-worn member
So here's the results of my cookoff so far.
I did a mesh strain of everything I could squeeze out of of the slop, and refrigerated the result overnight in a ss bowl. As you can see the water took out many unwanted artifacts. I am heating my oven up to 170°f to re-liquify and inject into some #000 capsules. But the two-tone of the remainder above has me thinking: have I got two kinds of medication here, perhaps some kind of canna-dayquil and canna-nyquil lol.
Maybe I should keep them separated, or at least try three different batches, all-fat/all-lipids/combo?
I am going to re-liquify in the oven and then... I can refrigerate again, or I can add water for another wash, I could do some more filtration... ah who am I kidding I'll probably just gonna see if any more water comes out, re-liquify and inject into the capsules, maybe try a few separated though.
So many options 
I did a mesh strain of everything I could squeeze out of of the slop, and refrigerated the result overnight in a ss bowl. As you can see the water took out many unwanted artifacts. I am heating my oven up to 170°f to re-liquify and inject into some #000 capsules. But the two-tone of the remainder above has me thinking: have I got two kinds of medication here, perhaps some kind of canna-dayquil and canna-nyquil lol.
Maybe I should keep them separated, or at least try three different batches, all-fat/all-lipids/combo?
I am going to re-liquify in the oven and then... I can refrigerate again, or I can add water for another wash, I could do some more filtration... ah who am I kidding I'll probably just gonna see if any more water comes out, re-liquify and inject into the capsules, maybe try a few separated though.
So many options
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momofthegoons
vapor accessory addict
I ran another batch of my olive/coconut oil blend this week. This is the first step for making what is now known as "Mom's Green Miracle." As I've posted, I make a pain salve that is pretty darn good. If I may say so myself. 
Lmao.... it almost looks 'active' doesn't it?
Betcha Crayola doesn't have this color.....
Lmao.... it almost looks 'active' doesn't it?
Betcha Crayola doesn't have this color.....
killick
But I like it!
@momofthegoons What a gorgeous colour! Does it leave a coating on the glass that is hard to scrape off? Thats how the alcohol is in this batch. I still have the sludge from the bottom in the fridge - debating evaping the remaining alcohol off and capping the dry sludge...
momofthegoons
vapor accessory addict
Not really.... it's oil so it does leave some residue behind. This is before the beeswax and essential oils are added so it's still edible. Nothing a piece of bread can't sop up. It's really tasty too.
Dabsallday710
New Member
I need a simple butter recipe if someone can help please without a machine...Ty.
Vitolo
Vaporist
No machine Cannabutter
Dabsallday710
New Member
Thank you,we pulled a recipe and made out GREAT...Much appreciated ..Pot,Peace and CannaButter Grease..!
BuzzDanklin
Well-Known Member
Well I finally made my first batch of coconut oil last night. I used 2oz of AVB from the Cloud Evo, along with 2tbs of lecithen. I did 1 hour at 220, and then around 6 hours at 160 before I had to shut it down before bed. I ended up filling 335 caps out of the 56g of AVB. So roughly 6 caps should be 1 gram of AVB.
My roommate and I just ate 6 each, so we will see how it works. The spinning lights looked cool when I turned the MB on, so I took a quick instagram video: https://instagram.com/p/0YsUUnLGO0/?taken-by=vaporizerwizard
Edit: 2hrs in feeling a bit heavy/lazy/relaxed for the last hour, but its not that strong. Eating 6 more each now
My roommate and I just ate 6 each, so we will see how it works. The spinning lights looked cool when I turned the MB on, so I took a quick instagram video: https://instagram.com/p/0YsUUnLGO0/?taken-by=vaporizerwizard
Edit: 2hrs in feeling a bit heavy/lazy/relaxed for the last hour, but its not that strong. Eating 6 more each now
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ichibaneye
Vapriot, Traveler & Vaporizer/ing lover!
This thread was a great read. I plan on purchasing a MB unit at the end of next month. I am excited also because I have a large ABV stockpile to extract from. Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread! Once I decide to buy I will be back to let you all know. In the mean time I have another thread to watch. 