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Discontinued Inhalater INH05/5S/6

Hippie Dickie

The Herbal Cube
Manufacturer
natural farmer said:
... The Bud Toaster and the Solo is almost the same design but they have a powerful coil (SS bowl in the Solo case) to support a nice even draw. ...

the coil is almost 1/16" (.0508", 16awg) and the batteries put out 70 watts for instantaneous heating to accommodate ambient air intake ... (not to derail, eh?)

@Inhalater - i get about a 5°C rise in measured temperature after 7 minutes of run time, which i attribute to heat saturation of the cube body ... do you see a temp increase with run time also? or do you need to program in a ramp up? could make the algorithm tricky to implement.
 

natural farmer

Well-Known Member
Hey man, I can tell you've had quite an issue with the XP , I understand it can be frustrating having to deal with a unit that did not work to a 100%, but why take a cheap shot at Greg? What makes you allowed to judge someone like that?

1) The XP Q1 - Q2 - Q3 is no longer of this earth so RELAX and vaporize. You've done a great job of bad mouthing the XP - congrats ~

2) How can you compare the INH05 to the XP ? It's not even available yet, do you have psychic powers or perhaps a fluxcapacitor ?

The truth is, once the unit will be available, only then youll be able to review the device and give you're honest opinion. For now you keep can keep pooring your heart out based on youre assumptions and bad experiences.
You can even travel all the way to the U.S and try to prove your point however don't be surprised if their a huge fan base of Inhalater supporters. Pharmacore is a small company that focuses on technology and development rather then funding marketing campaigns for products to flood the martkets for the sole purpose of sales.

Beleive and chill ..


Chill bro

What on earth are you talking about? I am judging his practices, not his face or character! And I think I am allowed to that sir policeman. You should be the one to chill out.

1) I am not bad mouthing the XP. It might be an awesome conduction based vaporizer. I am stating my opinion though that their marketing claims are not true and that it no longer has much of a convection action going on. I am glad you are enjoying it by the way. My bro does as well.

2) Of course I can compare them. They already said what was changed and I express my opinion on what HASN'T changed!

3) I sure ain't gonna give any more money to this company unless I see some things changed…

I believe what I see…

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Yellokat1000

Inhalator shill account
What on earth are you talking about? I am judging his practices, not his face or character! And I think I am allowed to that sir policeman. You should be the one to chill out.

1) I am not bad mouthing the XP. It might be an awesome conduction based vaporizer. I am stating my opinion though that their marketing claims are not true and that it no longer has much of a convection action going on. I am glad you are enjoying it by the way. My bro does as well.

2) Of course I can compare them. They already said what was changed and I express my opinion on what HASN'T changed!

3) I sure ain't gonna give any more money to this company unless I see some things changed…

I believe what I see…

I'm chillin like a villain :)

Get your INH05 people !
 

Yellokat1000

Inhalator shill account
Ithis unit available on indiegogo yet?


Nope ~ I checked so far theres no Inhalater05 campaign that's running , however based on the video that Pharmacor released a few days back, it should be avaible pretty pretty soon like by the end of the week or something ---- OH YEAH ------ FRESH !
 
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Snake Plissken

Transcendentalist
I guess I disagree in that I think NF has the right to be unimpressed w/ Greg if he wants. He is the face of the company. Would you all take it so personally if he was unimpressed w/ the ceo of mcdonalds?

Honestly, if I believe, after prolonged use and believable reviews that the 05 is exceptional and way better than anything else out I will probably get one. I would prefer not to ever deal w/ them again after the many interactions I have had w/ them. I would also add the extra layer of security by going through a distributor instead of directly through the mfg.

When I research a product, I am thankful for the negative reviews (if honest) as it helps me not to have to go through the same bs others already have. If there are only a few negatives and many positives, I will normally go through w/ the purchase . Every one has issues - it's how they handle them that is important. But on a site that penalizes, criticizes and limits negative reviews and counter arguments to the positive reviews, while encouraging and not limiting positive ones - how could I ever know? How a co deals w/ customers, their return policy, integrity, etc is important to me - and part of what I want to know when researching a product.

Having owned both an 03 & 04, my experience differs from many of the raving reviews. Already in this thread, on a yet to be released product, a lot of assertions have been made emphatically by people who couldn't possibly know if what they are saying is true. It makes it pretty tough to come to an informed decision sometimes.
 

CentiZen

Evil Genius in Training
Accessory Maker
Hey man, I can tell you've had quite an issue with the XP , I understand it can be frustrating having to deal with a unit that did not work to a 100%, but why take a cheap shot at Greg? What makes you allowed to judge someone like that?

1) The XP Q1 - Q2 - Q3 is no longer of this earth so RELAX and vaporize. You've done a great job of bad mouthing the XP - congrats ~

2) How can you compare the INH05 to the XP ? It's not even available yet, do you have psychic powers or perhaps a fluxcapacitor ?

The truth is, once the unit will be available, only then youll be able to review the device and give you're honest opinion. For now you keep can keep pooring your heart out based on youre assumptions and bad experiences.
You can even travel all the way to the U.S and try to prove your point however don't be surprised if their a huge fan base of Inhalater supporters. Pharmacore is a small company that focuses on technology and development rather then funding marketing campaigns for products to flood the martkets for the sole purpose of sales.

Beleive and chill ..


Chill bro

Very well said.

I'd just like to add one thing - that the design of heating chamber I posted in my previous post and the inhalater heating chamber have far more than a negligible amount of the convection effect. Depending on several variables, namely the amount of space available in the heating chamber and the difference between thermal transmission thresholds of the crucible and air heating chamber walls, the amount of convection heating present very well could meet or exceed the present conduction heating.
 

2clicker

Observer
But on a site that penalizes, criticizes and limits negative reviews and counter arguments to the positive reviews, while encouraging and not limiting positive ones - how could I ever know?

this is not happening in this specific situation.

nobody said anything to NF the first 15 or so times he made his point. we are simply saying that continuing to say it over and over is NOT helping anyone here. all it does is clog the thread with info that is already here numerous times over.

i come here to read all experiences good or bad. always have. thats what makes this community great IMO. its the hating that is frowned upon.
 

natural farmer

Well-Known Member
this is not happening in this specific situation.

nobody said anything to NF the first 15 or so times he made his point. we are simply saying that continuing to say it over and over is NOT helping anyone here. all it does is clog the thread with info that is already here numerous times over.

i come here to read all experiences good or bad. always have. thats what makes this community great IMO. its the hating that is frowned upon.
No hating mate… You are the one who is making assumptions about my intentions. If my arguing about the convection/conduction aspects of this vape doesn't help anyone then your posts certainly don't either! And @CentiZen' s drawing is not what Inhalater has told us about it in the past. The cold air comes from bottom holes, traveling upwards between the black plastic and the white plastic (and NOT ceramic), then downwards again past the ribbon heating element and then upwards again through the herb chamber. That's not what @CentiZen sketched there…
The most helpful thing would be for Greg to chime in and give us a small diagram of the heating process and we can discuss it from there. It's far more interesting than continuous postings (4 pages) about how great this new Inhalater is gonna be!
 

Old School

Vape13man
What's the impossible assertion I made here??? That I would prefer the Pax at this point? That's an opinion, not an assertion! And I have this opinion cause other than the top cap that becomes bottom cap and the differences of the rotating knob, nothing else has improved in this unit AFAIK… And I hate the PAX, I was just making a point of how much I think the INH05 will suck. Again, this is my opinion. It's just that I believe it's well justified.

About taking a shot at Greg now… I just said I am not impressed...:smug: It's a small shot compared to what me and my bro have gone through since the XP came out. First, they sent us the 2 XPs with the 4 holes and they all break in a few days. First replacements came broken as well! Second replacements went to the wrong address! Final replacements came after more than a year later from the initial problems and the result of all these is that we didn't have working XPs for more than a year, we spent money for shipping broken XPs back and no refund was given to us when we asked for one after all this trouble. They kept saying wait for the next batch with no problems, wait for the next batch that heats better etc… The final replacements are as conduction based as it can get, I will explain later… So I finally put a face at all those fuck-ups and yes, I am not impressed with Greg! So what? It's not that I called him a bad name...

About the convection/conduction thing… I have explained this over at the XP's thread more than once but the main issue I have about the design having a VERY SMALL convection action is that the heater in your INH 004 and mine was a coil and a very hot one that caused hot spots in the herb capsule. But it did heat the air before it entered the capsule. With the new ribbon heaters there is just not enough power to keep the air stream at the set vaporization temperature. And that shows in the vapor production through a glass piece or a vapor lung. It's exactly like the Pax's and the rest of conduction units. It starts thick and diminishes rapidly after that!!! With convection and heaters that can keep up with the draw the vapor production is continuous and if it's a strong heater the vapor can become thicker as you draw. With the Xp and the 05 if nothing has been changed in the heating department the ribbons heat to the desired temp but then they immediately begin to loose heat with the first cool air that enters the device while drawing. After that initial hot stream of hot air there is no more convection cause simply the ribbons cannot handle even MFLB like draws! I witness such vapor production in all the vids that are around. And that's why we don't see prolonged draws. Cause very little vapor comes out after the initial vapor formed in the chamber due to conduction. And then we see a guy saying that that the XP produces big clouds and another guy saying that he can barely see the vapor and needs a flashlight under the mouth… :lol: The Bud Toaster and the Solo is almost the same design but they have a powerful coil (SS bowl in the Solo case) to support a nice even draw. The Firefly can also handle a relatively fast draw cause it's coil is burning red hot. The INH 004 could also support a nice draw. The XP though and the 05, if it still has ribbon heater, just can't!

I wish I was in the states so I can personally come with an XP and prove these all to you but my poor English is the only means I have to protect a few members around here from throwing away their money. I am not mean. I am just saying things the way I see them with my own eyes. Had you any experience with an XP? I had a lot!
Wow.....thread jumped up a couple pages on this deal huh.....well I have always enjoyed your posts and found them very informative.....IMHO I believe you know why you got the reaction you did...I also believe although you have a very valid point about the ribbon heater {your suggestion...& a good one at that}....I think you know for a fact that it also uses convection....YES Yes it lost some of its convection properties when the ribbon was introduced...but I trust the trade off was worth it....in fact Greg has redesigned heater ribbon layout to improve equal heat distribution.....

So you wanted a dispute to your point....I trust this meets your expectation......the Inhalater design absolutely uses convection..{although I agree the percentage has fallen a tiny bit} Now I have also been trying to communicate my concerns towards the decline in the convection side of the formula... and I have gotten extremely frustrated with Greg at times but I was hoping we might have been allies in convincing him to direct some focus back towards the convection aspects....

Now what is this CRAZINESS about the Inhalater design not being any better than the PAX.... Now I think we both know the Inhalater spanks the pants off the PAX.....so this makes trusting your opinion a bit dicey for me....or it simply reflects your frustration with not being listened to by the manufacturer.

I do hope you hang around {I suspect you will} the thread....btw I also agree not a lot has changed about the design...... but as you yourself can attest to just a small change with in that design for example coil to ribbon... can cause slight variances....

I hope to help Greg as you have already to reclaim some of the convection qualities....and I also hope Greg can win you back over going forward..... when I was first shopping a year ago now.....I thought you really liked this vaporizer {design}

Food for thought: I was thinking if we added something to aid in radiating heat from the back side of the ribbon {air path, 2nd chamber} and possibly create a swirl or vortex action to improve the transfer of heat into the air as it passes.....
ceramic was another interesting thought....
 

pakalolo

Toolbag v1.1 (candidate)
Staff member
Wow. This thread is locked until everyone cools off and we've had a chance to decide what to do here.

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27 off-topic personal, quarrelsome, and/or flaming posts have been deleted. This should not have been necessary, since the members involved have all been here for a long time and should know better.

I have posted this many times.

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  • If you find yourself writing about someone's character or behaviour then stop right there and do not post! Continuing could get you a warning point.
The thread is open again. Any further comments about this squabble or each other will be deleted, and points will be handed out. If you have questions or comments about this, send me a PM.
 
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Inhalater

Well-Known Member
Manufacturer
Lots of passion around here

NF. I will have your refund done tommorow at the latest. We did received the units just friday; I did not get around to do it yet. Appologies for creating doubt and frustration on my word.

I think you are a great person. It's great talking to you over the phone. I Hope we are still friends :-)

Yes absolutely. The convection is maximised by sucessively passing air through 2 preheating chambers. There is no ceramic used in the Inhalater.

There has been 4 demos sent out; one to a close friend of this thread. We may very well have a neutral and informed opinion on the subject very soon.
 
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natural farmer

Well-Known Member
Lots of passion around here

NF. I will have your refund done tommorow at the latest. We did get the unit just friday; I did not got around to do it yet. Appologies for creating doubt and frustration on my word.

I think you are a great person. Was very nice talking to you over the phone. I Hope we are still friends :-)
Sorry about derailing the thread. Happens when you are passionate about something...
You must be talking about my brother. No worries. I would still love some explaining about the heating chamber design on the INH 005 though if possible. My belief is that the ribbons don't have adequate power to heat the air to the set temp and thus vapor production diminishes very fast unless you draw at even lower rates than the MFLB. Others think differently... Any input?
 
natural farmer,

Inhalater

Well-Known Member
Manufacturer
Power of the unit is unchanged at 14W. Convection thermal transfer is very similar to previous versions. The original coil of the 004 whould reach higher temperatures than the ribon as control was not so precise. This possibly transferred more heat in the passing air but degraded taste because of hot spots all along the capsule.

To maintain temperature steady without the used of a large thermal mass, estimated power requirement is 42W. With the current technology temperature decrease is unavoidable but does not detract from satisfying and tasty inhalations in the opinion of many.

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Old School

Vape13man
Sorry about derailing the thread. Happens when you are passionate about something...
You must be talking about my brother. No worries. I would still love some explaining about the heating chamber design on the INH 005 though if possible. My belief is that the ribbons don't have adequate power to heat the air to the set temp and thus vapor production diminishes very fast unless you draw at even lower rates than the MFLB. Others think differently... Any input?
I'm sure the ribbon has adequate ability to warm the air....but it has been directed to focus it's heat abilities more so on the inside of the heating chamber....hence what many of us have been reporting is a shift in the ratio of convection to conduction.... Keep in mind that not only did the coil flatten to a ribbon but it was also given another layer of polymide on it's back side...encasing the ribbon and I've also heard that the sensor has now.{on this new release of INH05} also been added to the encasing and the other chamber/ribbon improvement is that it's soder connections are on the outside of the bottom of the white sleeve {outside the air path}....so your awesome suggestion to flatten the heating coil has lead them to their likely last final adjustment to permit the placement of the sensor as well as redesigning the ribbon layout to better reach and decimate heat throughout the chamber.....I'm hopeful that....better heat distribution on the inside should also mean better distribution to the outside as well.
Power of the unit is unchanged at 14W. Convection thermal transfer is very similar to previous versions. The original coil of the 004 would reach higher temperatures than the ribbon as control was not so precise. This possibly transferred more heat in the passing air but degraded taste because of hot spots all along the capsule.

To maintain temperature steady without the used of a large thermal mass, estimated power requirement is 42W. With the current technology temperature decrease is unavoidable but does not detract from satisfying and tasty inhalations in the opinion of many.
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Darn it I missed out on what was said......urrrrr......gosh darn thread police.......anyway power is power and we are being told that 14w's are what we have to work with....I think the important thing is what is done with that power......Now I'm some what happy that all this business about the convection properties has gotten some attention......because honestly.....THIS is probably the Inhalater's best kept secret that really shouldn't be secret...... cause I personally decided to go with this vaporizer because of it...... WHAT a truly fantastic idea.....lets not just waste all that radiant heat..... why not warm the incoming air with it..... genius.... and not just 1 preheating chamber but 2....why not.... in fact I at a very early point...thought maybe the ribs were hollow and air was passing through and all around the unit before even entering the 3 preheating chambers..... no that sounded way cool to me...

Anyway YES there is a convection ratio to the Inhalater {clever} design.... I'm sure we have all by now noticed that it's 1st few draws are nowhere near as good as 4-10 this is not so much caused by the inside heating chamber getting warmed up.....No if you think it through you will realize it is more likely because the Preheating chambers have finally gotten warmed up once we have taken a few draws causing it to have to heat up to maintain the inside heating chamber.....
You may also have noticed it is better not to let it completely cool off before starting another run / session.....same reason....if it does cool off too much your left wondering why your 2nd run took a bit to get rolling / performing well again.....
So you see not only does it clearly have convection properties..... many of us have experienced first hand how strong the convection side of the house can be....the 004 preribbon, my Q2 hmmmm..?

I think I see the answer....to my burning question.....why was my Q2 so much better....what happened? Greg has told me a number of times but I just skipped right over it because it's logic is somewhat hidden. Big concern revolving around "Hot Spots" likely had a list of things to address to get them under control......and I'm now realizing it was "control" and the need to better limit more precisely the heat.....of course.....not coil verses ribbon, or sensor location.... sure all of which have some small affect but what will affect the heating of the preheat chambers the most......getting a tighter more precise control over the internal / inside hot spots....
Perhaps now with the improved heater ribbon layout they will be able to worry less about "hot spots" which may result in being able to have the iron / heater on more often and for longer durations......

IMO we should try to only count on conduction to hold the chamber just under the vaporizing temp the user has selected.....so it would only reach actual vaporization temp when the draw begins and the convection hot air is brought into the equation...... probably can't quite be done like that.... I'm just thinking out loud....:science: :shrug:

IMO I think it wise to take advantage of conduction especially when referring to a portable vaporizer.... which is why I am most curious about hearing the GrassHopper reviews...as they claim they will not be using any conduction what so ever....should be interesting.....:cool:

:drool: I've been watching that mail again...... I'm told I should be getting my INH05 any minute now....:myday:

Does the IndieGoGo include an expected release date? I wanna know if it's worth buying the XP now or if I should wait for the 5.
It was posted a few pages back.... I think it was June / July time frame and to be safe I'd add maybe a month to that..... He has promised some "perk" packages so I think it is definitely worth waiting to see what that all consists of for sure....
 
Actually Ive decided not to jump on now due to the release date. Last time Inhalater took a lot of people's money and delayed shipping for a long time. I don't need the stress or the rage.
 

Old School

Vape13man
Actually Ive decided not to jump on now due to the release date. Last time Inhalater took a lot of people's money and delayed shipping for a long time. I don't need the stress or the rage.
I feel they are now taking a more methodical approach.....they are running a small beta test group before releasing production.....
Perhaps more importantly is the use of Indiegogo.com taking more of a pre-order approach to things. I also have noted a mark-able improvement on target dates.....for example.....he told me when my beta unit had shipped and when I might expect to receive it....and here it is....received it a few hours ago and it is on the charger.....getting ready for performance testing tonight as well as in the morning.....:rockon:

So I think I'd want a better reason for Not jumping..... I should have something to say later in the day tomorrow......:peace: :cheers: ..... ;)
 
I hope you are right Old School. I would love to buy one as I have always loved the XP design and I am need of a unit that is portable, stealthy and produces nice vapor. However, when I pay for a product and it is not delivered I become extremely angry. Considering the track record of this manufacturer I just don't want to get involved. I don't need the stress. I will get one once they have been proven reliable in terms of product and service. For the moment I have ordered a Tvape as I need a stealthy portable for this summer.
 
Mr. Gweilo 420,

PPN

TopGreen X-Max Representative
Company Rep
For the moment I have ordered a Tvape as I need a stealthy portable for this summer.

IMO the Xp might be a better choice, I never try the T-vape but it don't appeal me at all, I think it's a poor choice, it can't be compared with the Xp!

My Xp is 10 month old and is still working perfectly, it never go back to Pharmacor and I never need a replacement, it's a fuckin awesome portable vape!
 
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