With your input, we have adjusted the vaporization temperature settiongs upward. Finnal testing is underway. The maximum temp within the chamber will target 220c or
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salivape
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If this thing is effective Im definitely interested! I will wait to see what the early adopters say before pulling the trigger but I personally love the zippo design. So discreet. Yeah sucking on a lighter isnt but it could easily hide in plain sight.
Hey IV. Great to see your presence on here. I know its still early days but do you plan on distributing to Europe at any point? I for one appreciate the extra temperature range!
edit: just noticed on your website that you have an office in the UK! It would be a real shame to not distribute here
Hey IV. Great to see your presence on here. I know its still early days but do you plan on distributing to Europe at any point? I for one appreciate the extra temperature range!
edit: just noticed on your website that you have an office in the UK! It would be a real shame to not distribute here
we are currently in talks withs everal distribution companies in Europe an the UK. We'll keep you informed who we have selected.
Adobewan
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Stealth suggestion:
While using the Indica, if you were to incorporate a separate 3 inch white straw(stainless tube like a dug-out, but thinner, would be best) with which to draw the vapor thru, it would GREATLY enhance the illusion of lighting a cigarette with this "lighter".
Go one step further, put a magnet on the tip of the "cigarette tube" and the opening of the Indica to create a magnetic dock, so with tube in lips, lighter up to mouth, the two pieces magnetically marry.
While using the Indica, if you were to incorporate a separate 3 inch white straw(stainless tube like a dug-out, but thinner, would be best) with which to draw the vapor thru, it would GREATLY enhance the illusion of lighting a cigarette with this "lighter".
Go one step further, put a magnet on the tip of the "cigarette tube" and the opening of the Indica to create a magnetic dock, so with tube in lips, lighter up to mouth, the two pieces magnetically marry.
It's not gonna be very stealth considering it looks like a zippo but it's almost the size of a pack of Marlboros isn't it?
We appreciate all your suggestions and honestly consider each thought as a future possibility should the concept have merit. ( I do like the tube concept, perhaps an add on at a later date.)
Here’s some great news. We have adjusted the Vape temp to the following:
green 185℃
blue 192℃
purple 198 ℃
yellow 205℃
red 215℃
One question now for my new found advisors. We are finding that herb close to outer walls at 215c is turning more black than desired. Any chamber material suggestions that might reduce this issue?
If all goes well, we will start production with all these major modifications beginning next week. Thanks for your patience and input.
Indica
www.indica2.com
Here’s some great news. We have adjusted the Vape temp to the following:
green 185℃
blue 192℃
purple 198 ℃
yellow 205℃
red 215℃
One question now for my new found advisors. We are finding that herb close to outer walls at 215c is turning more black than desired. Any chamber material suggestions that might reduce this issue?
If all goes well, we will start production with all these major modifications beginning next week. Thanks for your patience and input.
Indica
www.indica2.com
Glass! Is going to be the cleanest but the hardest to make happen.
Thanks for the glass suggestion. Last night, earliear in the evening we tested a glass chamber and as you stated, it was not as easy as wished. We'll explore this more in the next 24 hours but my feeling is we'll likeky stay with a smaller stainless steel chamber at launch. If we can resolve the heat transfer issue with glass in the near future, it's likely to be the correct choice.
Changing to glass would be preferable, but is also entirely unfeasible of you have hopes of launching this in a timely manner. The issue at hand here with the blackening is the conduction nature of the heating system coupled with the dimensions of the heating chamber. The actual material of the chamber is not as big of a factor as you may think.
I mean, lets look at the Pax, as it is the most closely related device on the market to this one in terms of heater design. It utilizes stainless steel as well for the heating chamber, but yet manages to heat very thoroughly with only minimal stirring. But the herb chamber in the pax is different. It's wider and thinner, and a greater percentage of the .3 that fits in the chamber is exposed to the walls.
But looking at the Indica design, I think the large, block shaped heating chamber actually works against it in terms of thermodynamics. Herb in the middle of the indica oven is insulated by a great deal of other herb, which is a terrible thermal conductor. In the pax it is different, because the brick is so thin, the radiation effect from the heating walls is enough to penetrate in to the center a bit. But with the indica, the radiated heat is only going to make it so far, and it will stay in the outer layers of herb, causing the blackening effect you are seeing while the center only gets a little warm.
I don't know what they best solution is here. You could modify the design of the heating chamber so that there is set of heated bars going through the middle of the load to try to even things out a bit, like they did with the iolite enhancement kit. The other thing that would be worth looking into is pulse width modulation on the heater at higher temperatures. a 70/30 on/off duty cycle could provide adequate heating at higher temperatures while allowing the heat to penetrate more thoroughly.
I mean, lets look at the Pax, as it is the most closely related device on the market to this one in terms of heater design. It utilizes stainless steel as well for the heating chamber, but yet manages to heat very thoroughly with only minimal stirring. But the herb chamber in the pax is different. It's wider and thinner, and a greater percentage of the .3 that fits in the chamber is exposed to the walls.
But looking at the Indica design, I think the large, block shaped heating chamber actually works against it in terms of thermodynamics. Herb in the middle of the indica oven is insulated by a great deal of other herb, which is a terrible thermal conductor. In the pax it is different, because the brick is so thin, the radiation effect from the heating walls is enough to penetrate in to the center a bit. But with the indica, the radiated heat is only going to make it so far, and it will stay in the outer layers of herb, causing the blackening effect you are seeing while the center only gets a little warm.
I don't know what they best solution is here. You could modify the design of the heating chamber so that there is set of heated bars going through the middle of the load to try to even things out a bit, like they did with the iolite enhancement kit. The other thing that would be worth looking into is pulse width modulation on the heater at higher temperatures. a 70/30 on/off duty cycle could provide adequate heating at higher temperatures while allowing the heat to penetrate more thoroughly.
RUDE BOY
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My DaVinci running at 405F turns the load black. I don't see any way a conduction vape that reaches these temps in such a confined space won't , but i'm not a science guy . I like to take my bud that far as sometimes that's the only way I find relief from neuropathy .
As long as it doesn't deliver smoke and produce ash to me it's all good . Also I know glass is preferred by many users but I'm not one of them , I don't believe I'm that unique and alone on that .
Just thoughts from another side of things .
As long as it doesn't deliver smoke and produce ash to me it's all good . Also I know glass is preferred by many users but I'm not one of them , I don't believe I'm that unique and alone on that .
Just thoughts from another side of things .
Adobewan
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Incredibly detailed and informative reply CentiZen. Thank you. As we have now reduced the chamber to half the size of our original design for just the reasons you mentioned, the overall consistency of this shape should improve upon the chamber’s thermodynamics. We’re hoping that over the approximate 20 inhalations that no mixing is required. I may post some photo’s of the herb midway and after the chamber is spent for your added input.
If all works according to plan, we will hopefully approve this last modification to launch as quickly as possible. I feel that the Indica is a superior portable vaporizer to it’s competitors as it currently stands but need to keep improving toward a higher level of performance when possible. In the mean time, we will explore the other options you have suggested and keep you and the blog up to date with the results of the findings.
More pics are always welcomed!
This heat exchange design in theory would potentially help balance the temperature in the center of the chamber but it would be a limitting factor for filling, emptying and cleaning. Additionally rods of this nature may break easily from the force of preasure. An alternative thought might be ribs from top to bottom, yet still there would be a greater problem with cleaning. Either way, we'll look into this general concept of added heat transfer if we can develope a suitable design.I agree, perhaps something like this:
I'm not necessarily trying to compare you guys, but I like the glass lined ceramic on the davinci ascent a lot. Seems like all glass air paths are what the people want and I would like to see a lot more come out. Props on the design though! That thing is sleek.
Kushstrawberries
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this product looks slick. I'm pretty impressed with the size and temperature control settings. I'd like to test one of these bad boys out and see the consistency of the vapor. I'm pretty sold on the fact that the ascent is the best portable out there.
Great news tonight. We tested the Indica settings with the smaller chamber and were incredibly surprised with the sucess of these improvements. First of all, on the lowest setting of Green we found it to be the best tasting and consistant vape flumes. As we raised the temperature to the highest, two interesting surprises. The flumes seemed to leave a trail in the air and we suspected smoke. Additionally the flavor began to radiate popcorn but not to a major degree. After 10 minutes of non stop use, there still was visable flumes after 35 hits. Please understand that each hit was fairly inconsitant between the three testers but to last this long in the reduced size chamber was completely amazing. We emptied the chamber to determine if there was any combustion to cause the visable trails and found no black what so ever. I am posting a picture of the reminence of the product in the chamber for all to review. If some one can expain the visable trails but no major discoloration, I am interested in understanding this occurance. Tommorow we are bringing in profesional photography equipment and will test the lower settings independently for comparitive purposes. Feed back will be appreciated.
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Your pic isn't showing (for me atleast). But good news to hear, I'm glad things are moving along well. As far as visible trails goes... Are you just saying that the vapor was visible?
The image can be seen on our face book site "Indica Vaporizer" https://www.facebook.com/IndicaVaporizer
As we watched the vapor rise toward the ceiling, we expexted it to disapear but it remained intact for several seconds.
Should just mean your getting good thick dense vapor so long as the end material wasn't full of black bits.
salivape
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Looks like some well spent ABV. Nice! I'm sure I'm not alone in saying I'd love to see some footage of these visible trails. For the record, my solo vapour hangs around in a smoke like fashion so I personally don't think it's an issue. I certainly see no evidence of combustion in your photos.
Yesterday the Indica testing team worked through each temperature setting for comparatives purposes. From Vapor density and review of the spent herd discoloration the team rallied to the occasion.
The first major finding was that the herb must be packed with some pressure. We filled approximately 0.31 grams of herb the new chamber.
This led to a wonderful array of surprises as each setting Vaped visible and continuous. They found that first of all, testing the total number of hits to a chamber was the most odd testing work responsibility and job requirement, but appreciated the responsibility of determining the genuine results.
Overall they found there was close to 40 flumed hits per chamber. These were back to back, so you can imagine the need for a break between fills.
Settings Green and Blue and ½ way through Purple were the most flavorful. Progressing to the higher temps led to small “popcorn flavor” which increased as we scrolled up to the red.
No hits were hot, all felt like ambient temperature. Popcorn Taste and density of the Vape increased as we worked through the settings.
The remainders of the chamber surprised us that there was some green left in the product and no black to bee seen at either the 10 minute auto shut down sequence or when all Vape clouds had been played.
I will attempt to attach the photos of the exhaled Vapor as well as the photo’s of most chambers upon completed use. If I have problems, I’ll post on Facebook.
The results of this process were inspirational. Production will be under way shortly now.
PS can some one explain how to upload the pics that are on my work station?
The first major finding was that the herb must be packed with some pressure. We filled approximately 0.31 grams of herb the new chamber.
This led to a wonderful array of surprises as each setting Vaped visible and continuous. They found that first of all, testing the total number of hits to a chamber was the most odd testing work responsibility and job requirement, but appreciated the responsibility of determining the genuine results.
Overall they found there was close to 40 flumed hits per chamber. These were back to back, so you can imagine the need for a break between fills.
Settings Green and Blue and ½ way through Purple were the most flavorful. Progressing to the higher temps led to small “popcorn flavor” which increased as we scrolled up to the red.
No hits were hot, all felt like ambient temperature. Popcorn Taste and density of the Vape increased as we worked through the settings.
The remainders of the chamber surprised us that there was some green left in the product and no black to bee seen at either the 10 minute auto shut down sequence or when all Vape clouds had been played.
I will attempt to attach the photos of the exhaled Vapor as well as the photo’s of most chambers upon completed use. If I have problems, I’ll post on Facebook.
The results of this process were inspirational. Production will be under way shortly now.
PS can some one explain how to upload the pics that are on my work station?
Sounds great indica! For pics you must first upload to an image hosting site like tinypic then copy the message board code and insert it into the image box. It's kind of a pain on the ass!
Belgianvapor
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Hi Indica, it's looking better every day! Can you give us an idea of how warm the body (or the bottom part at least) gets while using the
vaporizer?
By reducing the oven capacity, did the heat up time got shorter? If so, what are the estimated heat up times
with a packed oven for the lowest vs the highest setting now?
vaporizer?
By reducing the oven capacity, did the heat up time got shorter? If so, what are the estimated heat up times
with a packed oven for the lowest vs the highest setting now?