HERBIE 510 Stainless Steel Mesh Vaporizer

[oddjobold]

I only talk from my personal taste and experience as I am not so rich and don't find always easily good flower where I live so I like to make it last. For those who have more flower available it's less of a problem. From my experience you need indeed at least 2/3 fulness of a chamber to be effective. (maybe your's is different?) And with 17x12 that could be more than 0.2. This won't be a problem for some users here but will definitely be for some others from what I read. Idk, what others think ?

0.2 is a medium sized bowl.

Whats almost more important is how the vape handles a full load vs a micro load. A good vape will be able to do both without problems.

 

[Sativapo]

Yes but 17x12 could be more than that. I was talking about the minimal quantity to make it work properly. You can't micro dose with a huge bawl except if they're some high endend vapes that do that I haven't heard off.

They're going to be answers with beta testing but my wild guess is that having the biggest bowl of all 510 devices could be an issue except it has some special efficiency qualities.

 

[oddjobold]

Yes but 17x12 could be more than that. I was talking about the minimal quantity to make it work properly. You can't micro dose with a huge bawl except if they're some high endend vapes that do that I haven't heard off.

With all due respect, i disagree.

You can microdose in most stem based vapes.

 

[Sativapo]

It depends on what someone calls micro dose. I am talking about like 0.05-00.8 range. It's not a coincidence if the devices known for micro dosing have the narrower screens/bowls : firewood, IMP, Vapcap... Here we're talking about a screen wider than splinter's and 18mm stems in general. You have to cover all the screen at minimum and the more you want to climb in temp/darkness of Abv the more height of material you need for restriction. Except if there is also a strong conduction effect though...

Edit : also with stems you pack up in the direction you draw so you can compensate the lack of material with tight tamping and packing , with this chamber you pack down and then draw up so you have to fill the space a minimum so plant doesn't fly around .
Also I am a dark abv guy so this has to be taken to account for this thoughts...

 

[Vape Engineering]

Seems like the bowl is an issue.
Unfortunately I forgot to weight the material that fits into the chamber...hope i won't forget it this evening as well.
We discussed that topic yesterday evening and came up with a plan to make it work for everybody. We're gonna offer a different "insert" to hold the lower mesh in place. This part will also reduce the overall diameter of the chamber. The height will stay the same.
I'll order some test samples with the next prototype batch, to check if it works as intended.
Nevertheless its priority isn't the highest, just wanted to let you know your voices were heard ;-)

I'll get back to you with details on the min/max amount and weight of material.

Stay tuned & have a nice day

Til

 

[oddjobold]

Seems like the bowl is an issue.
Unfortunately I forgot to weight the material that fits into the chamber...hope i won't forget it this evening as well.
We discussed that topic yesterday evening and came up with a plan to make it work for everybody. We're gonna offer a different "insert" to hold the lower mesh in place. This part will also reduce the overall diameter of the chamber. The height will stay the same.
I'll order some test samples with the next prototype batch, to check if it works as intended.
Nevertheless its priority isn't the highest, just wanted to let you know your voices were heard ;-)

I'll get back to you with details on the min/max amount and weight of material.

Stay tuned & have a nice day

Til

Have you tried a micro load? How did it perform?

 

[Sativapo]

Sounds like a good idea. If you even offer this as an adaptability option (seems as the whole design coming straight from ecig logic as mtl vs dl inserts or different capacity tanks , are you guys ecig users ? ), and it works well off course, it can be the detail that makes the product stand out in the 510 vape market.

 

[Vape Engineering]

are you guys ecig users ?

Yes, we are. I started vaping 8 or 9 years ago. Started with an ego-t but soon switched to my first proper mtl tank (kayfun v3) with a provari. This experience makes it sometime difficult for me to understand the issues, beginners have. Buildung coils, adjusting and tuning is kinda normal for me.

The thing with adaptable tanks is, that I have NEVER seen or vaped an atomizer, which was good at both (mtl/dl). Usually the coil setup and its size (wide bore drip tips, capacity, air intake) limit the flexibility.
Nevertheless vapos work in a slightly different way, since the material never touches the coil/mesh. Therefore I hope the best :-)

Have you tried a micro load? How did it perform?

Not yet. The minimal amount I tried was 2/3 filled and it worked very well.

But just for the sake of science I'll do a lot of research during the weekend.
How much should be the minimum, you guys think?


All the best

Til

 

[oddjobold]

Yes, we are. I started vaping 8 or 9 years ago. Started with an ego-t but soon switched to my first proper mtl tank (kayfun v3) with a provari. This experience makes it sometime difficult for me to understand the issues, beginners have. Buildung coils, adjusting and tuning is kinda normal for me.

The thing with adaptable tanks is, that I have NEVER seen or vaped an atomizer, which was good at both (mtl/dl). Usually the coil setup and its size (wide bore drip tips, capacity, air intake) limit the flexibility.
Nevertheless vapos work in a slightly different way, since the material never touches the coil/mesh. Therefore I hope the best :-)


Not yet. The minimal amount I tried was 2/3 filled and it worked very well.

But just for the sake of science I'll do a lot of research during the weekend.
How much should be the minimum, you guys think?


All the best

Til

Maybe a 1/4 load?

 

[Obsessed 2]

But just for the sake of science I'll do a lot of research during the weekend.
How much should be the minimum, you guys think?


All the best

Til

Don't forget to weigh it!

 

[Vape Engineering]

Hey folks,

this is Nils today. Just for you and for the sake of science i weighed the material. As you can see at the pic's the weight is about 0.15. But i have to mention, that the material was kinda dry. So if you use well cured material at 58% - 62% humidity it will be close to 0.2. Also the chamber was packed "fluffy" and not really tight.




But in the end I have to say that now I'm done for today

In addition, we are currently developing "accessories" for Herbie (I know you do not like the name). For us, the most important tool is a very well functioning stainless steel grinder.
So we decided to develop our own grinder and equip it with some nice additional features.
Unfortunately, we just have a few screenshots just for you. The first prototypes will be ordered at the beginning of september.

So what do you think about it?

We wanted to combine our company logo with the grinder. So we decided on a hexagon shape for it.
We thought, that we will have a better grip at the top when it's not round.





But that' not the only feature. If you remove the bottom cap (which is only for a good stand), you can find a hole and a thread.



And now here comes the key. If you anmount Herbies top cap...




... you screw herbie direct to the grinder. So you can grind your material direct into herbie.



It's kinda like the Storz & Bickels filling aid for the mighty, but combined with a well shaped hexagon stainless steel grinder.

All the best,
Nils

 

[mephisto]

Well sheeeeit! that is pretty slick. Take my money please! You can name your vape whatever you like, I want one.

 

[Sativapo]

Sounds nice ! Will need some testing and adjustment I guess. Pleasantly surprised by the amount of the load! I was expecting more with a 17x12 chamber. Even if you say it's dry and fluffy. It would be to nice to see how dark and even you can vape, let's say, half a load.

 

[Obsessed 2]

Really? Wow. Color me impressed. The amount you indicate, for me, opens up the possibility of microdosing.

Question: can you put in some thought into the 810 stems? Looking around I'm seeing e-cig wide bores, spirals, even long stems. But not much else. I would love to see a spiral stem (spiral being internally contained) come out of your lab, longer than what is out there currently, with cooling as it's primary function. Essentially you'd be elongating the path of the vapor.

Love the grinder's adaptability guys! Well done!

 

[YaMon]

Hey folks,

this is Nils today. Just for you and for the sake of science i weighed the material. As you can see at the pic's the weight is about 0.15. But i have to mention, that the material was kinda dry. So if you use well cured material at 58% - 62% humidity it will be close to 0.2. Also the chamber was packed "fluffy" and not really tight.




But in the end I have to say that now I'm done for today

In addition, we are currently developing "accessories" for Herbie (I know you do not like the name). For us, the most important tool is a very well functioning stainless steel grinder.
So we decided to develop our own grinder and equip it with some nice additional features.
Unfortunately, we just have a few screenshots just for you. The first prototypes will be ordered at the beginning of september.

So what do you think about it?

We wanted to combine our company logo with the grinder. So we decided on a hexagon shape for it.
We thought, that we will have a better grip at the top when it's not round.





But that' not the only feature. If you remove the bottom cap (which is only for a good stand), you can find a hole and a thread.



And now here comes the key. If you anmount Herbies top cap...




... you screw herbie direct to the grinder. So you can grind your material direct into herbie.



It's kinda like the Storz & Bickels filling aid for the mighty, but combined with a well shaped hexagon stainless steel grinder.

All the best,
Nils

Not be a Debbie Downer, but if trying too launch something new, it’d be better to keep overhead including tooling to a minimum, something SolidWorks does not account for. I would also suggest you acquire other 510 vapes so you have more familiarity with what’s already out there and how yours compares (iHeat, Splinter, Splinter Z, ModPod, etc)

 

[F-UCTD]

Love the grinder into bowl idea. Looks slick.

 

[YaMon]

Love the grinder into bowl idea. Looks slick.

It’s been done before.. I believe Storz & Bickel were the first, then Vivant copied them.

 

[oddjobold]

For me - i dont think i would use the grinder. I prefer to have a container of ground weed. In fact most of the time i dont use grinders. With stem based vapes i hand grind take a few draws then dump regrind by hand again and reload.

 

[oddjobold]

Does this vape work with concentrates?

 

[KeroZen]

@oddjobold: hey friend, don't you think there's a risk you won't be able to bear the irritation like with a lot of pretty similar vapes you bought and had to sell recently?

 

[oddjobold]

@oddjobold: hey friend, don't you think there's a risk you won't be able to bear the irritation like with a lot of pretty similar vapes you bought and had to sell recently?

@KeroZen hello matey - you know me better that i know myself. Some just seem to tickle me, like the musa 510. I am fine with a splinter or stempod though. This short air path could be a killer, but i cant stop buying toys . At least i sell them to recover some money...... my collection is actually quite small. Will try and sit on the fence until there is at least some reviews. If i dont feel free to tell me off!

 

[TommyDee]

Very nice idea. Definitely following with interest.

 

[mysterion]

Just a thought for you guys....

It would be really nice to use dosing capsules with this. That would allow you to continue with your original design/idea..... while allowing micro/dosing through a capsule that reduces the bowl size/herb required for a good experience.

I like that this is more portable and wouldn’t be prone to breaking while on the go.... which would make doing capsules a nice feature. Could use the S&B or Fury ones... saving on design time etc.

This also keeps things cleaner while on the go and at home.

If you’re already designing a grinder.... consider producing some high quality capsules that stand up to years of abuse!

M

 

[TommyDee]

Actually we find it great, if there are advanced technical discussions in our thread. That shows me, we came to the perfect place ;-)

During the weekend Nils (the thermodynamical mastermind) wrote a few lines to explain our idea behind the air guide. I hope my translation doesn't have too many mistakes.

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that "Secondary air" is basically a carb. Why not make it a style element. Bring in only one hole at 45 degrees (on the flange's edge) and scoop it for a nice finger-tip fit. A real gimmick is to have it operate a valve that is normally closed in this arrangement. Just a thought. They're free.

 

[Obsessed 2]

How's development @Vape Engineering ? Do you guys have an estimated release date yet? Thanks in advance!