Healthy Rips Rogue

Karl_in_Chicago

Well-Known Member
I've been using the Rogue for a little over a month now. I am delighted, I even wrote a short Rogue vs Mighty comparison, which I am posting below. Unfortunately yesterday this happened, first the Protect E20 error and now also E08. I wrote a message to Vapefully yesterday, still waiting for a reply.

Rogue vs Mighty:

After a long search for something more handy and portable, but at the same time not worse than Mighty, I chose Rogue.

If you like to do one huge session, Mighty is a slightly better choice. I like to sit down and take it easy and vape slowly, so for me the Rogue is the perfect choice. The Rogue chamber holds about 2-3x less herbs (I always use capsules) compared to the Mighty. The same amount of herbs in the Rogue you simply have to separate into 3-4 capsules/sessions, so the fun is longer. If you have the capsules prepared then swapping for fresh ones is about 5 seconds only, so it's not even uncomfortable. In addition, with capsules, the chamber of the vaporizer after a month is not dirty at all.

The Rogue is a device with noticeably more convective heating, you have to take long slow inhalations to get a lot of vapor. The Mighty's conduction heating produces so much vapor that it comes out of the mouthpiece on its own, you don't have to inhale hard at all. The vapor in the Mighty is noticeably cool. In the Rogue with a standard mouthpiece is warm but not hot (I personally prefer this).

The Rogue heats up in 15 seconds (the Mighty over a minute), and you can use it almost on-demand, as well as stop the session without wasting of herbs. To get a similar flavor and thick vapor, the Rogue needs to be set 10-15°C (50-60°F) lower in temperature. For example, the best temperature in the Mighty for me is 185°C (365°F), while in the Rogue it is 175°C (350°F). At 210°C (410°F) in Mighty the herbs turn brown, and in Rogue they are much darker, even almost burnt in places.

I am thrilled with the Rogue and at this point it is the better choice for me. However, I don't want to decide which device is better. They are certainly two strongly different devices, but both equally good.

P.S. Sorry for any mistakes, I don't use English on a daily basis.
Welcome to the club! At this rate we should probably get T-shirts made, LOL. Sad to hear that this long after the GA date people are still getting these turds, despite assurances that it was just an early glitch and subsequent production doesn't have this problem. Hope it works out for you, sincerely, best of luck.
 

HealthyRippingBrian

Well-Known Member
Battling freaking hard water stains on my rogue bubbler, is there anything that will bend and get in that small hole into the inside lol?

I was like "meh I'll clean/empty it later" and left tap water in it.

That was like 3 days ago. 😭

Do not be me. 🤣
 

Arawfish

Tree climber
Battling freaking hard water stains on my rogue bubbler, is there anything that will bend and get in that small hole into the inside lol?

I was like "meh I'll clean/empty it later" and left tap water in it.

That was like 3 days ago. 😭

Do not be me. 🤣
Throw some salt and iso in the bitch and give it a good shaking. Like, really good. Sand would be fine too.
 

Jill NYC

Portable Hoarder

Chronicele

Well-Known Member
Sorry to everyone experiencing issues!

My replacement has been solid, hopefully that gives you all hope!

I noticed unless I'm just making it up in my head, but I'm pretty sure the replacement heats up a TINY bit slower.

Maybe the settings were tinkered with at HQ or a part was changed during manufacturing, all I know is its been solid regardless.

And by slower, I just mean it takes a bit longer to reach that point where it's matching your temperature as you increase it.
Received my replacement Rogue yesterday and can confirm the heating up time (to 365 degrees) is 30 seconds compared to 15-20 on my first one.

Have to wonder why this was done and if it was the result of a software or hardware change...my guess is that the extremely quick heatup was causing electrical/circuit issues resulting in the error, but hardly an expert.
 

3l3tric

TM2 PH and Tiodw Plus 2.0 cured my VAS
Hi all!

I'm planning on picking up either this or the Edge sometime soon for on-the-go use. I'm having a lot of trouble deciding between the two, since I'm not sure if my use case will benefit much from the Rogue's upgrades on the Edge, so I'd like advice from owners of both devices.

I'll be mainly using the unit solo with dosing caps, at lower temperatures (360-380F) with a loose pack. My days of trying to pack one of these guys to their limit are behind me, so I'm wanting whichever unit will be more efficient with small loads (like .05-.1g)

On the surface, it seems like the Edge would be more ideal, since I wouldn't be underloading it's bowl as much as I would be with the Rogue, thus the pack would technically be "denser". However, it seems like some people say the heater in the Rogue is a significant improvement over the Edge. I also saw someone in this thread mention the Edge caps work with the Rogue, but I'm curious if there were any noticeable differences in vapor production or harshness.

Overall, it looks like the Rogue could be a bit of an upgrade, but I'm not sure it'd be worth the extra $30 for my use case. Hence this advice post!

I plan on mainly using the stock mouthpiece on the go for stealthiness, and a 3D flow stem at home. I'll pick up a WPA just for the hell of it, but it's not going to be my main use case.

Thanks in advance for any advice you all provide, and if you have any questions that would help in recs, don't hesitate to ask!
 

C No Ego

Well-Known Member
Hi all!

I'm planning on picking up either this or the Edge sometime soon for on-the-go use. I'm having a lot of trouble deciding between the two, since I'm not sure if my use case will benefit much from the Rogue's upgrades on the Edge, so I'd like advice from owners of both devices.

I'll be mainly using the unit solo with dosing caps, at lower temperatures (360-380F) with a loose pack. My days of trying to pack one of these guys to their limit are behind me, so I'm wanting whichever unit will be more efficient with small loads (like .05-.1g)

On the surface, it seems like the Edge would be more ideal, since I wouldn't be underloading it's bowl as much as I would be with the Rogue, thus the pack would technically be "denser". However, it seems like some people say the heater in the Rogue is a significant improvement over the Edge. I also saw someone in this thread mention the Edge caps work with the Rogue, but I'm curious if there were any noticeable differences in vapor production or harshness.

Overall, it looks like the Rogue could be a bit of an upgrade, but I'm not sure it'd be worth the extra $30 for my use case. Hence this advice post!

I plan on mainly using the stock mouthpiece on the go for stealthiness, and a 3D flow stem at home. I'll pick up a WPA just for the hell of it, but it's not going to be my main use case.

Thanks in advance for any advice you all provide, and if you have any questions that would help in recs, don't hesitate to ask!
get the edge and the Fury2 glass attachments that sit down in the bowl of the edge and fury2 .... those glass pieces uses less amounts as the glass fills up some of the space of the bowl ...
these are the ones I'm mentioning - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=fury2+glass+attachments&atb=v1-1&iax=images&ia=images
 

3l3tric

TM2 PH and Tiodw Plus 2.0 cured my VAS
get the edge and the Fury2 glass attachments that sit down in the bowl of the edge and fury2 .... those glass pieces uses less amounts as the glass fills up some of the space of the bowl ...
these are the ones I'm mentioning - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=fury2+glass+attachments&atb=v1-1&iax=images&ia=images
Thanks, I didn't realize these were an option to use with the Edge. Unfortunately for my typical use case I'll need the stealth of the standard mouthpiece, but these are still worth considering for home use. Do they happen to be compatible with the dosing caps?

I should've made it more clear, whichever model I buy, I plan on using almost exclusively with the dosing caps. If I get the edge I'll end up getting 2 sets of its caps, but if I get the rogue I'll end up getting a set of rogue caps for at home and a set of edge caps for on the go. I guess my main question is whether the Edge dosing caps perform as well/better in the Rogue compared to in the Edge. If I'll have about the same experience using those caps in both vapes I'll probably just settle for the Edge, but if the Rogue would be better even with the smaller caps I'd rather go that route.
 
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fareast

Well-Known Member
Battling freaking hard water stains on my rogue bubbler, is there anything that will bend and get in that small hole into the inside lol?

I was like "meh I'll clean/empty it later" and left tap water in it.

That was like 3 days ago. 😭

Do not be me. 🤣
Ultrasonic cleaner is probably your best bet. Basic model can be snagged via Amazon for around $40. Maybe a bit high to solve a problem with a $15 piece of glass but you can use it for all your non-electronic weed-related gear.
 

OF

Well-Known Member
If I get the edge I'll end up getting 2 sets of its caps, but if I get the rogue I'll end up getting a set of rogue caps for at home and a set of edge caps for on the go. I guess my main question is whether the Edge dosing caps perform as well/better in the Rogue compared to in the Edge.
No, I'd advise against Edge (or F2) caps in the larger Rogue chamber. These are conduction vapes, they depend on physical contact for rapid heat transfer. And, once the heat is conducted into the capsule from the oven walls, having a looser load in a bigger capsule will slow production there. Read 'longer heat soaks between hits required'. You really want as few air gaps (think insulation WRT the necessary heat flow) as possible.

And, yes I tried it (twice, I verified it again a few weeks back when the topic came up),, as I believe have others? I advise using the capsules designed for the vape.

Regards to all.

OF
 

3l3tric

TM2 PH and Tiodw Plus 2.0 cured my VAS
No, I'd advise against Edge (or F2) caps in the larger Rogue chamber. These are conduction vapes, they depend on physical contact for rapid heat transfer. And, once the heat is conducted into the capsule from the oven walls, having a looser load in a bigger capsule will slow production there. Read 'longer heat soaks between hits required'. You really want as few air gaps (think insulation WRT the necessary heat flow) as possible.

And, yes I tried it (twice, I verified it again a few weeks back when the topic came up),, as I believe have others? I advise using the capsules designed for the vape.

Regards to all.

OF
Thanks for your input, reading back through the thread it does sound like I'd be dissatisfied with the edge caps in the rogue. So now my only sticking point is how the rogue caps handle underloading.

How would the rogue caps do with a loose pack (like .075-.1g)? I just don't want to feel like I need to load more than what I'm actually wanting to smoke in order to get optimal performance.

I'm glad I decided to post in this thread, since now I'm leaning more towards the Rogue. Thanks to everyone that's replied so far
 

OF

Well-Known Member
How would the rogue caps do with a loose pack (like .075-.1g)? I just don't want to feel like I need to load more than what I'm actually wanting to smoke in order to get optimal performance.
Again, the larger caps will do worse with the same (reduced) load than the smaller ones which will have a more complete fill.

You can, of course, load more and take a few hits then shut it down and finish next time. I typically do this with both Edge and Rogue. If I load a (full) capsule of bubble hash I typically use it in 4 or even 5 sessions starting with a single cycle at 400F followed by two more next time before bumping the temperature up. Herb loads typically take two sessions given potent herb.

Your call, but if you'll never use the larger capacity of Rogue, IMO the best call is the smaller bowl on Edge.

OF
 

3l3tric

TM2 PH and Tiodw Plus 2.0 cured my VAS
Again, the larger caps will do worse with the same (reduced) load than the smaller ones which will have a more complete fill.

You can, of course, load more and take a few hits then shut it down and finish next time. I typically do this with both Edge and Rogue. If I load a (full) capsule of bubble hash I typically use it in 4 or even 5 sessions starting with a single cycle at 400F followed by two more next time before bumping the temperature up. Herb loads typically take two sessions given potent herb.

Your call, but if you'll never use the larger capacity of Rogue, IMO the best call is the smaller bowl on Edge.

OF
Hm, I see. Somehow I missed that point from your original post.

I've actually never messed with abridged sessions on any of my previous vapes. Always had an aversion to it since that would mean subjecting the bud to sub-vaping temps for even longer, and I've read before any amount of time at elevated temps causes cannabinoid degradation. Then again, it'd still be more efficient than forcing myself through an entire overloaded sesh. I think overall I'd prefer being able to fully spend a smaller load in one sesh rather than splitting a big load into 2-3, just so it's easier to control exactly how much I smoke. I'm afraid if I did try split sessions, it'd end the same way as when I try to drink a high abv beer slowly (with me getting more drunk than I really want, lol).

So it is sounding now like my initial impression that the Edge would suit my needs well was kinda accurate. Definitely glad for asking here, since the "new heating element" talk really made it sound like the Rogue was a total upgrade for all cases.

One last question before I go all-in on the Edge instead: could you potentially put additional screens into the rogue capsules to take up space so that smaller loads could still be densely packed? I've seen some conduction vapes have oven fills to allow you to use smaller loads, and I'm wondering if 2-4 SS screens could serve a similar purpose here. If this would still have subpar microdosing performance I think the Edge will be the full winner for me.
 
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HealthyRippingBrian

Well-Known Member
Thank you all for the suggestions for the bubbler!

Still battling the stain lol, but haven't tried more than iso and salt shaking so far.

Next stop: PBW or Ultrasonic 😂😩

I never thought those special waters they sell were "special" until now, and more importantly,

what the heck is in my water? I filter and drink it but like, now I dunno 😂💦
 

C No Ego

Well-Known Member
Thanks, I didn't realize these were an option to use with the Edge. Unfortunately for my typical use case I'll need the stealth of the standard mouthpiece, but these are still worth considering for home use. Do they happen to be compatible with the dosing caps?

I should've made it more clear, whichever model I buy, I plan on using almost exclusively with the dosing caps. If I get the edge I'll end up getting 2 sets of its caps, but if I get the rogue I'll end up getting a set of rogue caps for at home and a set of edge caps for on the go. I guess my main question is whether the Edge dosing caps perform as well/better in the Rogue compared to in the Edge. If I'll have about the same experience using those caps in both vapes I'll probably just settle for the Edge, but if the Rogue would be better even with the smaller caps I'd rather go that route.
I see you have posted much more since I posted ... just mentioning the glass insert as that is the best way to have the lessened load size in there ... the inserts do not work with caps however, at least the fury2 ones do not ...I have never even used the snap on mouthpieces for these vapes once so cannot direct you ther at all , glass only vapor pathways with the WPA insert... you can use caps and get the little glass beads that can be used as fillers and conduct heat etc...and use way less herb ... there have been many posts here about them . maybe someone familiar with the, can help out ... this forum is awesome in that aspect
 

aron91

New Member
Thank you all for the suggestions for the bubbler!

Still battling the stain lol, but haven't tried more than iso and salt shaking so far.

Next stop: PBW or Ultrasonic 😂😩

I never thought those special waters they sell were "special" until now, and more importantly,

what the heck is in my water? I filter and drink it but like, now I dunno 😂💦
Maybe try using food grade citric acid powder and quite warm water. There are also special powders for descaling kettles.
 

3l3tric

TM2 PH and Tiodw Plus 2.0 cured my VAS
the inserts do not work with caps however, at least the fury2 ones do not .
Good to know, thanks! I think I'll definitely end up picking up one of the bent stems, seems like a good way to use the unit at home. I'd be deathly afraid of breaking them accidentally if I ever tried pocketing the unit or even having it in a bag, so standard mouthpiece/accessory attachment will have to do for on the go use.
you can use caps and get the little glass beads that can be used as fillers and conduct heat etc...and use way less herb ... there have been many posts here about them . maybe someone familiar with the, can help out ... this forum is awesome in that aspect
I'll go ahead and look for those posts, thanks for the tip! I really appreciate the depth of knowledge in this forum, even if it is a bit overwhelming to parse sometimes, lol.

It sounds at this point like the Rogue really wouldn't provide me with many advantages even if I were to use extra filler, so I think I'll end up going with the Edge for sure instead. Honestly I'll probably still end up using extra screens/glass beads to fill parts of the dosing caps even in that smaller unit anyway. I'm definitely still open to others input if they think the Rogue would still be worth the extra money for me, but I'd honestly rather put that cash into a nice case or a couple accessories unless the difference is pretty substantial. Thanks again to everyone who has replied so far.

EDIT: would you be able to link me to a couple of the posts mentioning using glass beads for filler material? I'm only finding posts about adding the beads to the mouthpiece (which also piques my interest so I'm definitely grabbing some of those too). I don't doubt they would work in the caps but I'd like to see what others results have been.
 
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Karl_in_Chicago

Well-Known Member
Ugh. Time for me to buy a 2nd T-shirt as I have *another* new Rogue unit with the E08 Protect error. Totally my fault this time as I knew better but, like I said, when it works it works great. So I bought a second unit . . . second verse, same as the first! Like I said, though, my fault as I failed to follow the age old advice of Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
 

HealthyRips.com

Healthy Rips Team
Company Rep
Hi All! We have completely resolved the Protect issue that has affected some of our ROGUE devices. We understand that having a device failure is frustrating and inconvenient and we have been doing our best to accommodate those affected. We truly apologize again that it has taken several weeks of adjustments and updates to our PC Board to completely resolve this issue. If you have received a device or a replacement device that has this issue, we can assure you that we have tested our final updates beyond any testing we have ever done to ensure that your new ROGUE will not experience this problem. This has been a process of thousand of hours of adjusting, testing, using, abusing, updating, and then more testing to be certain that this issue is 100% resolved.

We sincerely thank all of you for your patience and support throughout this process. We are exceedingly confident in the performance and reliability of our ROGUE.

If you need assistance with anything whatsoever, please do not hesitate to contact us: customerservice@healthyrips.com.

Healthy Rips Team
 

Zipford

Well-Known Member
Hi all!

I'm planning on picking up either this or the Edge sometime soon for on-the-go use. I'm having a lot of trouble deciding between the two, since I'm not sure if my use case will benefit much from the Rogue's upgrades on the Edge, so I'd like advice from owners of both devices.

I'll be mainly using the unit solo with dosing caps, at lower temperatures (360-380F) with a loose pack. My days of trying to pack one of these guys to their limit are behind me, so I'm wanting whichever unit will be more efficient with small loads (like .05-.1g)

On the surface, it seems like the Edge would be more ideal, since I wouldn't be underloading it's bowl as much as I would be with the Rogue, thus the pack would technically be "denser". However, it seems like some people say the heater in the Rogue is a significant improvement over the Edge. I also saw someone in this thread mention the Edge caps work with the Rogue, but I'm curious if there were any noticeable differences in vapor production or harshness.

Overall, it looks like the Rogue could be a bit of an upgrade, but I'm not sure it'd be worth the extra $30 for my use case. Hence this advice post!

I plan on mainly using the stock mouthpiece on the go for stealthiness, and a 3D flow stem at home. I'll pick up a WPA just for the hell of it, but it's not going to be my main use case.

Thanks in advance for any advice you all provide, and if you have any questions that would help in recs, don't hesitate to ask!
I have had the Fury Edge for a few months and am happy with it. I use it solo with the stock mouthpiece and dosing capsules. The instruction manual says to fill the chamber "at least" halfway, and while I have never done it, I expect you could also fill a dosing capsule halfway if you wanted to, without any issue.

I fill the dosing capsules with a very loose pack and find that this is good for two sessions of 3-4 hits each. The first two hits are flavorful, and then it is progressively more "popcorn" taste. I can't accurately weigh how much I'm loading, but it is a very small amount of cannabis. If you put it in an old school pipe, you'd probably get a single medium sized hit.

HR says you can leave cannabis in the device in between sessions without adverse effect, which seems true in my experience (and it would be hard to quantify if pulling out the capsule and trying to cool it would make a difference to my second session). I do, however, turn off the device just as I am starting my last hit and find I can still get a decent hit with the remaining heat, and that probably cools things a little. That said, I'm sure the dosing capsule and chamber would be far too hot to touch even after I do this, so open question whether degradation is occurring. But my second session does get me high, FWIW.

PS: the glass bead trick is putting the beads in the stock mouthpiece, not the dosing capsule, to help cool the vapor. I think you could just under load the dosing capsule without needing to do anything else, ie you don't need to add anything to fill the capsule, it should work fine half full.
 

Karl_in_Chicago

Well-Known Member
Hi All! We have completely resolved the Protect issue that has affected some of our ROGUE devices. We understand that having a device failure is frustrating and inconvenient and we have been doing our best to accommodate those affected. We truly apologize again that it has taken several weeks of adjustments and updates to our PC Board to completely resolve this issue. If you have received a device or a replacement device that has this issue, we can assure you that we have tested our final updates beyond any testing we have ever done to ensure that your new ROGUE will not experience this problem. This has been a process of thousand of hours of adjusting, testing, using, abusing, updating, and then more testing to be certain that this issue is 100% resolved.

We sincerely thank all of you for your patience and support throughout this process. We are exceedingly confident in the performance and reliability of our ROGUE.

If you need assistance with anything whatsoever, please do not hesitate to contact us: customerservice@healthyrips.com.

Healthy Rips Team
"completely resolved" . . . as someone with a SECOND unit that failed with E08, a unit I received on August 2nd . . . I have to borrow from The Princess Bride and say I don't think those words mean what you think they mean. I'm done with Hardly Reliable.
 

HealthyRips.com

Healthy Rips Team
Company Rep
"completely resolved" . . . as someone with a SECOND unit that failed with E08, a unit I received on August 2nd . . . I have to borrow from The Princess Bride and say I don't think those words mean what you think they mean. I'm done with Hardly Reliable.
Hi! Thank you for your input! We apologize that you received a second device that falsely triggered the protect mode. Our testing and adjusting/updating process has since been ongoing until we reached a point where we were no longer experiencing any false PCB protect triggers. Please understand that this process takes thousands of hours and thousands of cycles to ensure that our adjustments/updates are 100% effective and reliable on all of our devices. As opposed to a single major adjustment/update that could cause us to work backwards, we felt that it was wise to make incremental adjustments until the protections were no longer tripping false triggers. This is by far the best and most reliable strategy for the long term as our protection triggers are designed for the safety of our clients.

We completed our final adjustments/update at the beginning of this month and have tested numerous updated ROGUE devices for a combined thousands of hours and cycles - and we have been completely successful at eliminating the false protection triggers as we stated in our previous post. We strive for 100% client satisfaction, please contact us: customerservice@healthyrips.com.

Have an amazing day!
Healthy Rips Team
 
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