Discontinued Haze Square

[notoriousLrg]

Check your coil. I know I needed to take mine out at least 3 times and really bend the shit out of it so it stays in the ceramic housing.

After taking my square apart and playing with its airpath, IMHO the most significant contributing factor to the lack of general performance of this vape (at med to higher temps) is too much air leakage at the top of the tray where the airpath filters are. There seems to me too much unheated air making its way into the airpath. Unfortunately, its not something that can easily be changed or tested due to the design and integration of all the piece parts.

 

[ginolicious]

After taking my square apart and playing with its airpath, IMHO the most significant contributing factor to the lack of general performance of this vape (at med to higher temps) is too much air leakage at the top of the tray where the airpath filters are. There seems to me too much unheated air making its way into the airpath. Unfortunately, its not something that can easily be changed or tested due to the design and integration of all the piece parts.

Possibly a design flaw for sure. I’ve never noticed it. Didn’t think that could be an issue. Mind you I’ll see what happens tonight. I’m yet to surpass 395F. I hang out around 325F or 340F.

I know last night my neighbour tried to hit it once and couldn’t get nothing. But I did a poor job explaining and he was rushing it.

 

[Easywider]

The Square seems to be a low temp power house. But full extraction for me is like a chore. My temps are set high 410-450, for my needs I like quick extraction and some coffee ground looking ABV. Using the Square as Haze instructs (single button) I can extract the first half to 3/4 of the bowl really easily in about 4 hits with some nice dense terpy clouds. Extracting the remainder however is painful and pretty much impossible without multiple button presses. I've kinda given up killing my battery trying the squeeze the last bits out of the bowl and now I just run my Square ABV through my Flower Pot and get 1 massive white walling rip off each spent bowl.

People have been mentioning herb humidity as a performance factor for the Square. I keep all my Jars at 62% with a Bovida pack. Last night the oven was still warm when I was cleaning and assembling the Square so I set the oven to 200f and tossed my herb chamber in fully loaded for 10mins. Let it cool and put it together.

Hopped into bed and put on a flick, 80% full bowl started vaping at 430f. Huge clouds off the first pull, normally with a full pod of more humid herb ( this is my theory ) the air would not pass as freely as my herb would be more "stuck together" affecting airflow and I would risk combustion starting off with temperature so high.

This has to be my most favourite bowl so far. I was lying in bed watching a flick with only the tv illuminating the room, I could see a big thick trail off vapour reaching all the way to the ceiling and pluming away into a cloudy haze. My wife hit me at one point as I was smoking out the place and she couldn't see the tv. Each hit was like level 5 grasshopper water pull. Very Satisfying.

I wish all bowls could be like that! My AVB was even 90% extracted to my liking. I'm looking forward to hear more reports from phase 1 pre-orders and how they are getting along with the Square. With so many inconstancies in usage reports on this forum Im really looking forward to some more detailed video footage from our veteran vaporists.

 

[Djsleepy]

Hello everyone! I am convinced imo that combustion is due to mainly coil warpage. I reset my coil yesterday morning and had gone thru 8 pods thruout the day- everything was good but did do double presses to finish off pods. I went to use today and first hit boom combustion..... I immediately looked at coil and the spot that was burnt in pod was directly under the part of the coil that had raised up due to dbl press. It matched perfectly!!!!!!! I reseated coil and Good to go no combust! So if You are a double , triple presser check your coil to avoid combust!


Happy vapes to all!

 

[ginolicious]

I agree with @easywinder. Seems like some bowls get extracted better than others. Touching on the humidity of the material totally creates less room for the air to pass through affecting performance. Getting full extraction doesn’t work for me at 395F. But I think if I have a 410F setting may be good for a final hit to cash out the bowl. I haven’t had issues since i pre pack the night before. I stopped double pressing after what @Djsleepy hss said for a few days now. Mind you I would love s double press to finish a bowl. But no thanks.

Still to date. Never combusted but i did have my issues of no vapour.

 

[Djsleepy]

I said this before as well as Haze -that Haze " are more about extraction than visible vapor", so maybe the extraction is normal with little to no vapor but it tastes amazing and gets you high as shit! But that's not most people's experiences with other vapes including myself. So maybe we call it what is..... an"extractor " ..... Just a thought for those who are frustrated.

 

[ginolicious]

I agree. I’ve heard that before about extracting. I do not require huge clouds at low temp. Just let me see something when I exhale so I can feel something and taste something.

Mind you my wife last night got a huge cloud. When I say huge it was enormous. She said it got so hot as well and was coughing. So then the guy I am I ask her if she combusted. I open the pod and nope but on the third hit for that bowl she fully extracted at 340F lol.

Gotta say I do enjoy sipping a few hits throughout the day and then coming back to finish a bowl. Way too lazy to change my temps. But I think I may for hotter temps.

 

[caseball2051]

Any news on the Android app?

 

[ChickenNugget]

I agree with @easywinder. Seems like some bowls get extracted better than others. Touching on the humidity of the material totally creates less room for the air to pass through affecting performance. Getting full extraction doesn’t work for me at 395F. But I think if I have a 410F setting may be good for a final hit to cash out the bowl. I haven’t had issues since i pre pack the night before. I stopped double pressing after what @Djsleepy hss said for a few days now. Mind you I would love s double press to finish a bowl. But no thanks.

Still to date. Never combusted but i did have my issues of no vapour.

I didn't get my first combustion until using it while charging in the car. The first hit was just like smoke. It didn't cherry but it was some heavy frickin vapor. I do tend to get hot spots where my AVB is significantly darker in areas. Never played with the coil since I got it yet though. I got a mighty pod to work to it just took a lot of coercion. I adjusted my temps and raised them all a bit. My max is 420 now. That may be a tad high. I really want the Square to be my DD especially because of the high I get and the 4 chambers but due to a few issues it won't be in this state... some use in general can be a hassle. A pod system would help with cleanup and reloading as you just drop a pod in theres no need to brush everything off. It will definitely get there.

 

[TKraus]

I didn't get my first combustion until using it while charging in the car. The first hit was just like smoke. It didn't cherry but it was some heavy frickin vapor. I do tend to get hot spots where my AVB is significantly darker in areas. Never played with the coil since I got it yet though. I got a mighty pod to work to it just took a lot of coercion. I adjusted my temps and raised them all a bit. My max is 420 now. That may be a tad high. I really want the Square to be my DD especially because of the high I get and the 4 chambers but due to a few issues it won't be in this state... some use in general can be a hassle. A pod system would help with cleanup and reloading as you just drop a pod in theres no need to brush everything off. It will definitely get there.

I really dig the idea of just having individual pre-packed pods that can be swapped in and out like the MV1. I don't mind the current setup, but a pod system would be dope.

 

[ginolicious]

I’m thinking phase 3 should have shipped. Curious as to the people who are getting theirs and their thoughts. I know there is a lot more people who have one than who is actively posting here. Mine is working alright. I think my issues with it is that I keep trying to use it like a session vape. Gotta do a lot of the work yourself like a manual car right?

Curious as to the temps everyone is running. I set my temp the one time with the app. I’m yet to set it again. But thinking I need a few higher temps.

 

[Djsleepy]

Thanks to all!! Got my mffg today !!!!! It will be all I use with this device works so good!

I'm currently running 330 340 350 365 380 as my temps

 

[TKraus]

I’m thinking phase 3 should have shipped..

I've been thinking that too... Sadly this is not the case... For me at least

 

[ginolicious]

Wow @Djsleepy you are at the low side. I go from 365F right up to 395F.

How’s it treating you lately for single hits? That’s what seems to be really good for me.

 

[calimac]

Finally got my square today! Looking forward to trying it out and comparing notes with the rest of you.

 

[Djsleepy]

Wow @Djsleepy you are at the low side. I go from 365F right up to 395F.

How’s it treating you lately for single hits? That’s what seems to be really good for me.

Great sometimes no vapor but taste is there and high is for sure there! Sometimes I dbl press I bought extra coils when I got it now I kinda know how long this puppy will go single and dbl press before coil either breaks or stops putting out good heat!

I will do this experiment for the forum lol!!!!!!!

Onward and upward!!!!!!

 

[ginolicious]

Hear you on the ghost hits @Djsleepy hapoens to me all the time. But I’m still high afterwards and the taste is unreal.

 

[Djsleepy]

Hear you on the ghost hits @Djsleepy hapoens to me all the time. But I’m still high afterwards and the taste is unreal.

Super unreal!

 

[KMizzy]

I've been thinking that too... Sadly this is not the case... For me at least

The website changed the shipping date/end of phase 3 date to the 28th(Thurs). I am a phase 3 guy; hopefully they don't push it back again...

 

[ginolicious]

I rather have it pushed back than rushed out with defects right? I am phase 2 and it was pushed back by a few days. I hear ya phase 3 guys though.

I’m curious when they will be out of presale phase and how everyone is dealing with them.

I’m also curious if the app is going to get any updates and when the micro dose pods are coming out. Those may make hitting it a lot easier.

 

[TKraus]

The website changed the shipping date/end of phase 3 date to the 28th(Thurs). I am a phase 3 guy; hopefully they don't push it back again...

Yeah I noticed that and messaged them on FC to see if the new date was something we could rely on. Sadly, I haven't gotten a response, but I'm just hoping that they've got their shit together and are ready for Thursday. Ordered on May 23rd and I've been torturing myself by reading about people enjoying theirs LOL. Idk why I do this to myself

 

[Djsleepy]

I rather have it pushed back than rushed out with defects right? I am phase 2 and it was pushed back by a few days. I hear ya phase 3 guys though.

I’m curious when they will be out of presale phase and how everyone is dealing with them.

I’m also curious if the app is going to get any updates and when the micro dose pods are coming out. Those may make hitting it a lot easier.

From vapelife forum- haze said stainless pods should be available after these phase 3 ships go out came in same stock.

Re microdose : going into production then testing

 

[FlyingLow]

Went by the Haze retail location today and was greatly impressed. I was expecting another tiny vape shop but this place is a real nice showroom. It was refreshing to be in a vape shop with such a large portion of their store dedicated to flower and concentrates, in addition to the juices and nic products usually found at vape shops. The showroom had to be about 2,000+ sf and they have something for everyone. What surprised me the most was the depth of the product selection- they have a lot of vapes discussed on here, quality hardware with everything from Source pens to Airizer desktops, and many others. The dual chambers were on display, but I could not get my hands on the square as I had hoped.


Will have to make another visit

 

[mfw0mb]

Still waiting on my 2 extra trays, extra battery, and red silicone sleeve I ordered

Still waiting on my 2 trays and black sleeve too. My wanderlust package came with the battery though. Looking forward to having 3 full trays loaded up and ready to go for a few days.

After a few more days of use post coil fix, no combustions. All single press. Button top/bottom doesn't matter for me now. I do notice the draws are a bit weaker, and probably because the coil is sitting just a smidge too low in the ceramic. Still happy with it's performance for sure. All week, all I've had to take with me for the day is the square loaded up. Totally minimized my daily carry for sure!

My bottom O-ring on the mouthpiece is doing the same thing as mentioned by someone before. Getting stuck in the carry spot slot, and making it more resistant to coming out, as well as the bottom o-ring itself coming off. Haven't lost anything yet thankfully. I believe these are the older o-rings as they are pretty thin and leave a bit of wobble when being used. Think they just expanded from heat. First thought it was residue from the bottom of the mouth piece, but cleaned the slit with a bit of iso and was clean.

Side note, I think the small wires going up the side of the ceramic housing (right side) is actually a thermistor for recording the temps. Would make sense being so close to the red zone. If so, I take back my previous comment about it being all timer based but....

arrived home and when I was gonna try to use it again, I realise the coil (or something around it) does a weird clicking noise while heating

I can hear this same sound. It's similar to the grasshopper timer, and I think that's all that is. The oven timer. Mine is still working fine, and that sound just started the other day. Hopefully she keeps chuggin....

Running temps: 335, 360, 385, 400, 440

Usually sticking to lvl 1-4 and then kill em off before emptying it all at 440.

The Square kills it!

 

[ginolicious]

I think I just got the technique. Let’s see what happens tomorrow. I got 3 solid hits but I had already done a bowl that was weird. But this time I did 3 hits at 395 on a semi fresh bowl. Now it’s evenly browning. Had nice vapor. Got me real high. It’s all how you breathe. Or so I think. Time will tell tomorrow. Gonna finish that bowl and hope I get the same as today. Can’t just lightly and slowly inhale. Gotta pull hard through your mouth but slow. It’s a bit of a workout that I’m not use to. I’m use to light slow draw speed. You mist hear a nice intake on the device. I think I wasn’t pulling a great enough quantity of air through to become
Vapour. Was going too slow and too light before. Hopefully I figured it out. And tomorrow I’ll hit it the same.

I think I like your temp settings @mfw0mb have some low and some mid and some more on the hot side.