Discontinued Haze Square

[Jill NYC]

I agree @ginolicious I do not think this is a good “first vape.”
People will benefit greatly from experience with other vapes as it definitely needs finessing and patience to get it right.

 

[KidFated.]

This would also be my first on demand convection. Been vaping since 2012 but have yet to dive into the on demand besides torch power.

I just know that haze is awesome CS.

 

[ginolicious]

Make sure you clean your air path for where the mouth piece goes in. I did a quick iso swab and the q Tip wasn’t black from the manufacturing process.

@KidFated. you sound like me. I had no experience with this style vape. If you do jump in it’s worth it. But it may take some learning. I was so excited to use it last night and the first two bowls deeply
disocueage me. Then I was gonna contact haze. Decided not to. Started feeling the effects even though I couldn’t see vapor. Decided to do a third bowl and saw clouds on level 2 setting which is about 190C. But I couldn’t finish that bowl since it was late and it was a damn Monday. Couldn’t stay up all night testing. Pods need to be packed almost fully with a light tamp. That’s also what I learnt. On top of that my material was super dry. I was scared of combusting. But nope.

 

[wastedpotential]

You saying the square provides superior vapour over V3?

V3 was the final model. They had two releases before that versions. I assume the versions before had heir flaws before the V3 came out. Same thing could be said about the square. If they release a few more versions we will be saying the same thing in a year or two. Also if you pre order you get the one free upgrade. That’s why I jumped in. If the square didn’t perform well I still have V3 to fall back on. And wait till the final product and trade my square in.

The vapor is incredibly superior in the Square over the Dual v3.

django7's "long-winded post" (http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/haze-square.20593/page-101#post-1266076 ) is an excellent review.

I get great taste, and strong effects, sometimes without visible vapor. I don't think the Square is a 'cloud-maker', instead it does the job of extraction of flavor and dosage, so don't be overly concerned if there is no visible vapor.

 

[ginolicious]

The vapor is incredibly superior in the Square over the Dual v3.

django7's "long-winded post" (http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/haze-square.20593/page-101#post-1266076 ) is an excellent review.

I get great taste, and strong effects, sometimes without visible vapor. I don't think the Square is a 'cloud-maker', instead it does the job of extraction of flavor and dosage, so don't be overly concerned if there is no visible vapor.

I learnt that last night. I got barely any visible vapor on two bowls. But was fucking stoned as hell.

Since this is a very technical vape we do need more reports of what works for people. How dry the weed is, how much is packed, how long you draw for and if drawing slow or fast, etc.

I find best performance so far is on level 2. Dry bud. Almost fully packed. Light tamp down. Slow draw speed. Hold button almost entire time. When I can really feel and taste vapor I release button and increase draw speed to get the last bit.

 

[wastedpotential]

I've been using a larger grind so that less 'powder' (fine grind) clogs the screens. The convection works so well, I have been able to just finger-crush a bud or two. That heat seems to get into the bud even without grinding.

 

[MikeG7265]

Somewhere pages back in this thread there is a post from @Haze Vaporizers that stated that they don’t focus on vapor production, but put the focus on extraction. So definitely don’t get discouraged if you aren’t seeing vapor.

 

[Haze Vaporizers]

I've been using a larger grind so that less 'powder' (fine grind) clogs the screens. The convection works so well, I have been able to just finger-crush a bud or two. That heat seems to get into the bud even without grinding.

This is 100% accurate. As far as the air flow is not obstructed, the vapor production, the performance will be 100% and no stirring or spotty extraction will be observed.

P.S: I have several PMs with questions/comments which I will respond to this afternoon. I have been slow since last week as we are doing packaging and testing at the office for Phase 2 shipments still. I appreciate your patience.

 

[ginolicious]

Maybe this is a finger bust vape instead of grinding it? Damn my stuff is so dry I guess I’ll try to finger bust it. See if that does anything.

 

[ChickenNugget]

I loaded my bowls using the tool that comes with pre-orders. To the top and very light tamp just to keep things neat. I start at 320° F and I draw as long as I hold the button for. I haven't tried the double-press method as I can tell it already brings me very close to combustion. But after 1-2 draws on 320°F I get very good clouds as well as taste. I usually speed up my draw when I get to the end of a session around 390. This vape seems to have many variables for sure.

 

[ginolicious]

@Mattyboo42 so you use your cleaning tool/loading tray to fill them
To the top eh? I didn’t even bother unpacking mine yet. I take out the pods to fill them.

You had good results with this method?

 

[ChickenNugget]

@ginolicious yes I used it as the loading tray. Works pretty well for filling them without taking them out. That's how I've gotten my best results so far.

 

[Brassmonkie369]

@Mattyboo42 so you use your cleaning tool/loading tray to fill them
To the top eh? I didn’t even bother unpacking mine yet. I take out the pods to fill them.

You had good results with this method?

Ive taken out the pod too. Not too much hassle to take it and scrape the bud from the grinder directly into the pod

Think I’m gonna use the tray as a cleaning tool only

 

[ginolicious]

Does the cleaning tool help align the silicone piece that goes around the tray that holds the pods not lids? I struggled to place my silicone back in last night. I know the video and manual shows the cleaning tool being used to align the silicone piece that has the lids but not the actual bowls. Would it be the exact same process?

 

[ChickenNugget]

Does the cleaning tool help align the silicone piece that goes around the tray that holds the pods not lids? I struggled to place my silicone back in last night. I know the video and manual shows the cleaning tool being used to align the silicone piece that has the lids but not the actual bowls. Would it be the exact same process?

I think it may help align both. I did a deep clean and used the tool to align the metal screens and silicone back together.

 

[wastedpotential]

Maybe this is a finger bust vape instead of grinding it? Damn my stuff is so dry I guess I’ll try to finger bust it. See if that does anything.

I pop the bud into the freezer for a little bit, then finger bust. Makes it easier, especially with the sticky buds.

 

[subway13029]

I’m starting to think that a lot of these issues with the bud combusting or how to use it is user based error. It’s an on demand convection that I would assume has a technique.

I find the complaints I read about the firefly 2,mv1 and now the square all revolve around the same concept, users not using properly or being able to master the technique. These are in demand convection vapes that have some learning and don’t operate the same way that you would think the craft or Haze V3 would operate.

Sorry. Thought I would write this out. Vape critic made me think about it deeply.

I can guarantee that my issue with combusting ia not user based..as soon as i start my draw..i mean as soon as firat breath of air is drawn it combusts..i have no clue why..i had an amazing unit and then it went dead and it would not stop blinking and vibrating so i sent it back and it came back and it combusts instant so i sent it back and they said they lowered my coil and i get it back and as soon as light goes green and start my hit and instand combustion?? Im so frustrated..about to send it back for 3rd.time..its crazy with the amount of combustion ice had and i know on demand..i have never had issues with any on demand vapes..ven my esv was dialed in..

 

[Andorinter]

I have a phase 1 unit. I wasn't having good results , so I took a little break from the square.

After getting a nice bit of fresh info from phase 2 people (thank you to all who provided temps, pack amount, grind consistency etc) I decided to try it out again.

The flower I have right now is really fluffy. I packed it 3/4 full with no tamp. Kept hitting it. A cloud here and there but not what I expected.

Basically, when I inhaled, the flower sucked to the top of the bowl where the screens rest. This caused uneven vaporization and inconsistent results. Sad square user.

Sent Haze a message asking for advice. They suggested a tighter pack. Oh shit. Last time I did that I combusted. Ok, ok, this is a cool ass vape and I want it to fucking work. Let's try it. So I packed it pretty full, mind you this strain is fluffy... I packed it down... Here's where I get a mention in the Out Of Context thread: pack it tight, not firm... There's a difference. With a tight pack, the flower stayed at the bottom of the bowl and vaporized evenly. 350, then 370, finishing off at 430. This was over the course of 45 minutes.. one bowl. The unit only turned itself off once (timeout).

Happy square user!

So I still feel like my method needs refinement, but I'm learning more and more after each bowl.

 

[ginolicious]

I think it may help align both. I did a deep clean and used the tool to align the metal screens and silicone back together.

When you did your deep clean you removed both silicone seals from both the top and bottom of tray?

 

[ChickenNugget]

When you did your deep clean you removed both silicone seals from both the top and bottom of tray?

Ok so I only removed the seal from the top where the screens are located. I didn't remove the silicone where the chambers go. I didn't feel the need to remove those but I think you could still use that tool to help align both. I haven't tried yet.

 

[ginolicious]

I have a phase 1 unit.

Sent Haze a message asking for advice. They suggested a tighter pack. Oh shit. Last time I did that I combusted. Ok, ok, this is a cool ass vape and I want it to fucking work. Let's try it. So I packed it pretty full, mind you this strain is fluffy... I packed it down... Here's where I get a mention in the Out Of Context thread: pack it tight, not firm... There's a difference. With a tight pack, the flower stayed at the bottom of the bowl and vaporized evenly. 350, then 370, finishing off at 430. This was over the course of 45 minutes.. one bowl. The unit only turned itself off once (timeout).

Happy square user!

So I still feel like my method needs refinement, but I'm learning more and more after each bowl.

I noticed that yesterday and forgot to mention it. Some of my weed was getting stuck to the top of the lids as well. When I packed half bowls it was swimming around. It needs a harder tamp, I agree, because the bud swims around and you want to keep it in place. Get a full bowl packed down to keep it from moving.

I think my next bowl is gonna be a harder pack than what I usually do to keep it in place so it doesn’t swim around.

Ok so I only removed the seal from the top where the screens are located. I didn't remove the silicone where the chambers go. I didn't feel the need to remove those but I think you could still use that tool to help align both. I haven't tried yet.

Ah fair enough. Yeah I had no need to take out the bottom. I just wanted to take it apart to see how she worked and struggled to put it back in.

 

[mfw0mb]

Got mine all cleaned and charged when I got to the shop this morning. Mouth piece is loose also and falls right out of the storage spot (even tried the extra MP I got). Perks of working in a tattoo and piercing shop, I have acess to unlimited O-rings lol. Will post what replacement size works best for me when I get down time today.

Got similar marks and bubbles in my enclosure. Nothing horrible but still present. Everything wiped down with ISO was surprisingly clean. MP air way was the only thing visibly dirty.

I'll post pics of everything tonight when I have time to upload them.

Initial impressions after taking only a couple test pulls on lvl2: Love it. Got nice vapor despite the extra air from the loose MP.

 

[ginolicious]

Got mine all cleaned and charged when I got to the shop this morning. Mouth piece is loose also and falls right out of the storage spot (even tried the extra MP I got). Perks of working in a tattoo and piercing shop, I have acess to unlimited O-rings lol. Will post what replacement size works best for me when I get down time today.

Initial impressions after taking only a couple test pulls on lvl2: Love it. Got nice vapor despite the extra air from the loose MP.

How much did you pack and how tight did you tamp down for visible vapor. Seems a lot of us just have something to say about the mouth piece or the o rings so to speak. Maybe we need a thicker o ring? I remember Haze saying they were correcting that issue. Did the phase 2 units come with the issue corrected and were inspected?

 

[George1151]

Is the pro version worth $30 more? Which version did you get gino?

I found both my duals (V1 & 3) took a while (a few days up to a week) until I got good vapor. Many people were saying this too back then.

$37 USD for shipping compared to $9 in the US is a drag. Can't Haze get a Canadian distributor shipping from Canada by using one of their Canadian re-sellers to keep stock and ship within the country?

Canada will be a huge vape market once legal is switched from medical to everyone. $50 CDN for shipping a small box is too much and will hurt sales (anyone from Haze listening?)

 

[Haze Vaporizers]

Quick reminder. There is a specific way of storing the mouthpiece. The top of the mouthpiece (where you place it in your mouth) should face outside when storing. It is cut with an angle to match your housing.

So in summary, the bottom of the mouthpiece (where the o-rings are) should go into storage compartment first.

If you are inserting otherway around, it will fall right off.