Discontinued G43 and SledGhammer

[Copacetic]

Okay I just wound up at the new-looking-to-me VLF doing a search the other day, wound up reading a two-part review (not G43) by some bloke named @Baron23 ? Y’all ever heard of this guy?! Couldn’t believe my eyes, he can really write well and express his thoughts intelligently. Who woulda known?! *

But I also noticed something, I suppose it’s a discrepancy, but see - over at the maker of this vape’s cool site, VLF - its thread is listed under the Desktop category. Definitely not in the portables section, and he’s the man. Site Owner/Vape Maker/Media Mogul. Yet here at my/our beloved FC, it’s to be found amongst the Portables! My mind is blown by the incongruity of the situation and seeks a resolution. It just can’t let it go.

My plan of action is this: Suggest perhaps the grownups look into the matter and do as they see fit.

Is the best way to G43 ownership still through the list via PM with @VCBud ? Cos I’m gonna DM him.

EDIT: Rambling PM accomplished! Gotta feeling he’s really going to appreciate the minutiae.
Bet he never gets that experience, communicating with stoners all the time...

Not trying to contradict you, my dear @VaporWare , you know I got crazy respect for ya but pretty sure I heard that Bud went down to the crossroads and came back a master of physics. So now he’s got that going on for himself, which is pretty cool if you think about the possibilities, man...

FC considers a vape to be portable if it doesn't have to be plugged into the wall. When Bud made the thread he put it in the Portables section (correctly) but questioned me about whether it should be in the Desktop section, so it can be confusing I agree.

Regarding stirring: I just vaped a bowl without stirring for shits and giggles. While I couldn't tell any difference during the session (I got several satisfying clouds as is tradition) I did notice the ABV had a few black and green specks. So it could have been better I suppose but I'd say it was 85% evenly vaped ABV. Therefore I would say that stirring is not required, but you'll get a few more vapors if you do.

Just a quick thought re' the classification of vapes into 'portable' and 'desktop'.
Another area of interest to me is the Headphone world, where many (usually pointless and recursive) debates raged for years until folk eventually adopted the third category of ' Transportable ' to cover devices which might be cordless, but also have 'compromised' pocketability due to physical size or fragility.

The general acceptance of Transportable as a cagegory has allowed us to return to more interesting questions, such as:
How many Audiophiles does it taske to change a lightbulb?
A:
Three, one to change the lightbulb, and two to argue over which one sounds best.

ba-dum -tsssh

Perhaps we in vapeland should considering the 'Transportable' category?
If a vape is cordless, but too big to comfortably fit in a pocket, or comes in it's own peli-case maybe we should label it Transportable?

 

[LabPong]

Any issue using the G43 inverted?
Id like to hook it up with some of my 18mm female mouthpieces

That would work no problem, it would probably add some conduction to it though as the heat is right there 1mm away from the load in this configuration. So you would want to do small loads or pretty quick 1-4 hit max sessions for best results of taste and vapor quality.

Looks great!

Maybe as an option, make the heater connect to a solid stick or tube (eliminating the cord) then to the battery/mod. That would be bigger area to grab and hold on to while using and would also do away with the need to put the mod/battery somewhere (table or elasticed to the water rig/dry bong) when using.

If stainless steel, or something break resistant, the tube could add durability...

That would be called an Arizer Air.......

The fact that there is only a cord attached to the super light glass vape......you can manipulate it fast and easily...like loading and stirring......did I say stirring? lol

No offense...but there is 0 need....or reason to change this vape! Take this from someone that has been using it every day for a while now.....it's super unique and not like the normal vapes we have been using for the past 3 + years. It is a super close 2nd to my Elev8r....but they both have things that stand out and make it pretty hard to say which is better.....FOR ME.

I like the G43 because it is so easy and quick to use. I would not want any other configuration....I like the mod strapped to my rig and all that it offers. I use a dual cell mod and I am happy with the 8 or so 14 min sessions I get with it.


I just find is funny that so many like to say....oh..if you just change this....or do it like that.......But have not tried or even listened to those that have used it.

Just wait.....this vape is better than all of the stuff that has come out lately. So many vapes are just different plastic/wood/metal boxes holding the same heating tech and design. To me....this vape blows the BS out of the vape industry now and will hopefully push manufactures to really put performance at the top of their designs and development theory.

 

[Summer]

Well said, @LabPong!

 

[LabPong]

Got mine and she works good. I had to go to 16w to get the same clouds as in the videos posted earlier. What’s the max on wattage we can run?

That is way too high wattage!

As mentioned in my prior post.....try setting it at 11w. Let heat up for 4 mins....not a second less. Pull harder than you normally do especially if you use water or have a bigger rig.

Your coil should register about .8 to .9ohm average if everything is normal. If it is far off from that....what is it?

Also, I suggest packing medium light and to 80-90% full. This will help you understand it better and stir better. You can easily fill it up...but you will get to a point when too dense or too tightly packed will hurt performance some pending on the rig you use.

 

[MothChewMoth]

Yep, I’m in the seat right next to yours, my friend. On this crazy train called VAS.

VAS, GAS, and grass, we all gotta buy our ticket somehow...

That would work no problem, it would probably add some conduction to it though as the heat is right there 1mm away from the load in this configuration. So you would want to do small loads or pretty quick 1-4 hit max sessions for best results of taste and vapor quality.

This sounds super interesting to me. Could someone just use an ELB in this configuration? Not sure if that would fit or require a custom basket, but could be cool. Maybe unnecessary though...

 

[Dubmonkey]

Actually was at 16w due to my bone head loading in the first two bowls or what I thought was the loading procedure lol. All good now at 13w.

 

[chlorophyll_man]

VAS, GAS, and grass, we all gotta buy our ticket somehow...



This sounds super interesting to me. Could someone just use an ELB in this configuration? Not sure if that would fit or require a custom basket, but could be cool. Maybe unnecessary though...

Hiya, zancru on VLF did just that.
He left just one screen in to hold the glass balls in.
The ELB won't fit when the other 2 screens are in place.
But yeah, I'm with you on the idea. A custom sized ELB basket could make for a microdosing feature. I think it would be best to leave all the original glass ball/heater screens in place though; it would be horrible for them to fall out.

 

[Baron23]

wound up reading a two-part review (not G43) by some bloke named @Baron23 ? Y’all ever heard of this guy?! Couldn’t believe my eyes, he can really write well and express his thoughts intelligently. Who woulda known?!

Who woulda known?.....not my school teachers, that's for sure. haha

Thanks for the compliment.....but personally I think my writing tends to be too convoluted.

 

[Flower of empathy]

@Baron23 iirc bud did use it that way at the beginning - Just some tension to the wrong side, after one minute the wires are soft enough to bend and short with the result of maybe 50A or more drawn from the battery without any way to recognize it....worst case that could had resulted in a darwin award winning live stream. So better knock on a sticky brick and hope no one cuts off the plug and uses it just like he'd seen on YT...

Box mods should be safe, but safety and conjunctive don't pair well in the long run(always expect the worst case paired with ultimative stupidity) - i've just seen far to often liability issues been neglected till its to late...

 

[Baron23]

@Baron23 iirc bud did use it that way at the beginning - Just some tension to the wrong side, after one minute the wires are soft enough to bend and short with the result of maybe 50A or more drawn from the battery without any way to recognize it

Yes, I thought I referenced that when I advised the one fellow to rethink his hot desire for a battery sled powered G43.

 

[juxt]

Just a point on safety, everything I've heard and seen from Bud in this regard is that he's going for total safety and that's why he didn't release the plain sled version of the device. I've felt totally comfortable and safe with the mod version I'm using, but that's knowing and understanding that it uses batteries. I'm comfortable with this because I stopped smoking by going the ecig route. I know not to put my batteries in the wrong polarity, bad..boo...hiss! There is a required level of understanding, even though for the G43 it sets a really low bar, you must be able to put batteries in a thing and turn that thing on, for example I do think the design of the vape, such that the device is on a cord and can be held far from the body and especially the face, is a solid positive in the safety department.

Second thing is a follow up on the 2 hour mode. Well, I screwed that up royally. I wanted to ensure that the new firmware would resolve issues with other users mods, and installed it on my mod so I could say with conviction that everything was good. I cannot yet say that, because I immediately started getting the device hot faults and only can do about 20 minute sessions now. This is good for maintaining battery life but they also seem to actually feel hotter in my hand, not just the way the screen felt hot on the old firmware.

I have now gone back to the older version, and will use it enough to ensure it's gone back to operating the way it was before, but my worry is that the firmware/hardware platforms are a bit unstable. I think the P80 is probably the most stable of the bunch that we've tried, and Bud is providing those in some capacity.

 

[Brewervapesalot]

That would be called an Arizer Air.......

The fact that there is only a cord attached to the super light glass vape......you can manipulate it fast and easily...like loading and stirring......did I say stirring? lol

No offense...but there is 0 need....or reason to change this vape! Take this from someone that has been using it every day for a while now.....it's super unique and not like the normal vapes we have been using for the past 3 + years. It is a super close 2nd to my Elev8r....but they both have things that stand out and make it pretty hard to say which is better.....FOR ME.

I like the G43 because it is so easy and quick to use. I would not want any other configuration....I like the mod strapped to my rig and all that it offers. I use a dual cell

I just find is funny that so many like to say....oh..if you just change this....or do it like that.......But have not tried or even listened to those that have used it.

Just wait.....this vape is better than all of the stuff that has come out lately. So many vapes are just different plastic/wood/metal boxes holding the same heating tech and design. To me....this vape blows the BS out of the vape industry now and will hopefully push manufactures to really put performance at the top of their designs and development theory.

There's no offense taken, but I don't think this thing could be in anyway compared to an arizer air. It is unique, but there's no such thing as "super" unique; it's either one of a kind or it is not. This is one of a kind so it's unique.

Regardless, I just want a portable Evo, and this being "less unique" with a 18 mil connection would be great! In other words, put a stick on this and we might have a portable Evo.

I just have no interest in cords connected to batteries on a portable, is what I'm saying... My

 

[Ramahs]

FC considers a vape to be portable if it doesn't have to be plugged into the wall. When Bud made the thread he put it in the Portables section (correctly) but questioned me about whether it should be in the Desktop section, so it can be confusing I agree.

Regarding stirring: I just vaped a bowl without stirring for shits and giggles. While I couldn't tell any difference during the session (I got several satisfying clouds as is tradition) I did notice the ABV had a few black and green specks. So it could have been better I suppose but I'd say it was 85% evenly vaped ABV. Therefore I would say that stirring is not required, but you'll get a few more vapors if you do.

I find myself wondering if a "Hybrid" category may be needed sometime in the future?

 

[Zangano Cruel]

Testing and testing.

 

[MileHighHuman]

Anybody burnt themself with the G43 yet?

Also is there any hazard having the G43 powered on all day? (obviously would have to swap the batteries)

 

[LabPong]

There's no offense taken, but I don't think this thing could be in anyway compared to an arizer air. It is unique, but there's no such thing as "super" unique; it's either one of a kind or it is not. This is one of a kind so it's unique.

Regardless, I just want a portable Evo, and this being "less unique" with a 18 mil connection would be great! In other words, put a stick on this and we might have a portable Evo.

I just have no interest in cords connected to batteries on a portable, is what I'm saying... My

I see what you are saying......you want a mini evo....lol

But the G43 is the same.....it just does not have a plastic cover around it! The evo has wires all over and they are connected to batteries.

The fact that there is no exterior shell makes using the G43 easier, everything is instantly accessible and you can stir and load/unload super quick!

Also, I strap the mod to my glass rigs and walk around and use.....nothing tethering me there. If I was to use without water with a jhook or two I have....Id do the same thing....simple.

Making the G43 with the battery/electronics all encased with heater and bowl.....you just made a big ass vape to stick on top of what ever 14/18mm joint you connect it to. I prefer the weight to be down low and the oven/load to be super accessible and fast to manipulate....which is what this vape does when you use it.

But that said, Bud's original design was using the glass slide inside a metal box with a jhook mounted on top upside down. So that is sort of what you would want I think....but that design is complicated and takes more build tech and $. So not sure if that will be Bud's next vape if he does another one. He wants to do a different heating element and desktop too. So we shall see what happens in the next year or so.

For now.....the G43 is such a great experience to use...and a super performer....for a fraction of the cost of the average great vape out there now.

Anybody burnt themself with the G43 yet?

Also is there any hazard having the G43 powered on all day? (obviously would have to swap the batteries)

It is not a desktop....its more like a portable. I would not stress it out like that unless you want to rebuild it.....the coil is not hard core enough to do that constantly, though some are using it for 1-2 hour periods.....that seems not at all needed to me.

If you can not wait for the warm up.....I suggest having a 2nd vape to fill in your needs while the G warms up.

It is more of a session style vape that instant on because you left it on all day....it is not a flowerpot or enail!

 

[bossman]

I just have no interest in cords connected to batteries on a portable, is what I'm saying...

Word. I have a Tubo X and find it awkward to use since I don't sit at a desk or table to vape.

Was it in this thread or in a video that Bud talked about making a second version that doesn't have the cable? I've been telling myself I'll wait for that as a way to look askance at all the cloud porn from the G43. It ain't easy though. That thing looks like a heavy hitter and a really smart pickup for the price.

 

[LabPong]

I have a Tubo X and find it awkward to use since I don't sit at a desk or table to vape.

How do you normally vape?

Sitting at a table or desk...gives you access to the powerful vapes.....if not..your regulated to a MV1, Mighty or the like.

This is pretty important factor for vape design obviously.

 

[bossman]

How do you normally vape?

Sitting at a table or desk...gives you access to the powerful vapes.....if not..your regulated to a MV1, Mighty or the like.

This is pretty important factor for vape design obviously.

A typical living room setup. And yeah, I have a range of punchy portables. The bubbler is more convenient with something that sits on top, that's all. I don't think the G43 should change. And I'm still jealous.

 

[P.A.M.]

Hopefully he’ll have more to say, but basically he can’t change physics.

I agree. And I personally don't mind stirring. it was an important factor for Bud during the build process so i was surprised when reading the instructions that stirring every two draws was suggested. Reading from people who have used it, it does sound like it doesn't require much stir at all. That's good! Sounds like he did get close . I suppose the instructions are "for best results" . The modless j-hook g43 must be fun

 

[just_the_flu]

...i think this is a cool concept, except imo it's not a portable vape -it is just powered by a boxmod... i would be more interested if there was a power supply option, but then it would be just a GS??


...without actually using one, it looks like it requires you to use both hands to operate plus a water tool or jhook of some nature... not something you can use easily driving, walking or doing any activity, and probably requires a table or some sort of surface to rest stuff on...


...don't get me wrong, i'm not knocking this, i just think it's overly complexed to use in portable situations... i feel battery management would get burdensome... having the option of hooking it to a power supply would knock this out of the park imo...

 

[juxt]

Update on the firmware, going back to the original version recommended by Bud has solved my Device Hot issues. It does seem to be the screen that gets hot in this version, but I have set the contrast to 0 which is still very visible, but less even than the stealth mode and I haven't gotten a Device Hot or had the device turn off after a couple of 30 minute sessions.

So for the Wismec Reauleux gen2 21700, I can recommend the original myevic.bin that Bud supplied.

 

[LabPong]

...i think this is a cool concept, except imo it's not a portable vape -it is just powered by a boxmod... i would be more interested if there was a power supply option, but then it would be just a GS??


...without actually using one, it looks like it requires you to use both hands to operate plus a water tool or jhook of some nature... not something you can use easily driving, walking or doing any activity, and probably requires a table or some sort of surface to rest stuff on...


...don't get me wrong, i'm not knocking this, i just think it's overly complexed to use in portable situations... i feel battery management would get burdensome... having the option of hooking it to a power supply would knock this out of the park imo...

Dude....seriously....vaping while driving? It was not at all ever intended or designed with that in mind.

I do not have any vape that I can operate with one hand only....except a distillate cart. It is actually pretty easy to use. But if you can stir and load/unload for me......I can use one hand then....haaaa

It is not a portable....it is not a desktop.....it is something that touches both sides but also depends heavily how and where you vape. To me...it can be a portable around the house for me as the mod is strapped to my water rig....simple and easy to use anywhere I can set it down to stir quickly.

If you use a j hook.....you can strap it to that......or you can just hold the mod and hook in one hand to use as well.

I use a dual cell mod so battery management is nothing to me.....1 cell pushes it for me as I am not a light user. You will basically get about 4-5 sessions per cell with average use time. It is right up there with the industry standard for 1 cell portable vapes that have less power. And for this powerhouse with great taste....that is pretty impressive.

I know you are not trying to knock it....just trying to understand if it can fit into your vaping life....

It is different for me even though I had always had kept up with Bud's early prototypes and the state it was in as it progressed into what it is now. When you use it....it becomes something quite different in use case compared to other vapes. It is fun to use and totally enjoyable to me.

 

[juxt]

OK going back to the older myevic firmware supplied by Bud got me going. I've had a couple of 30 minute and a few shorter sessions with it and not one Device Hot .. I did however turn the contrast down to 0, which is still kinda bright actually, but keeps it from overheating, at least it seems to on mine.

Still loving it. I guess I'm just used to mod BS from the ecig days. If you hit it wrong, the mod I mean, it turns off. if you touch it, it turns off, if you leave it laying it stays on.

Sorry for the double post kinda ... I was just testing it again It does the job. I wish I could get a stone or something in there. I was thinking of trying the SS but I dunno. Hemp fiber maybe? Has anyone tried?

 

[Baron23]

...i think this is a cool concept, except imo it's not a portable vape -it is just powered by a boxmod... i would be more interested if there was a power supply option, but then it would be just a GS??


...without actually using one, it looks like it requires you to use both hands to operate plus a water tool or jhook of some nature... not something you can use easily driving, walking or doing any activity, and probably requires a table or some sort of surface to rest stuff on...


...don't get me wrong, i'm not knocking this, i just think it's overly complexed to use in portable situations... i feel battery management would get burdensome... having the option of hooking it to a power supply would knock this out of the park imo...

I don't view it as portable in the sense you can take it out and vape with it on the go. Maybe easily transportable but even there you will need glass of some sort even if only a J-hook.

I'll go further and this is something I have said openly to Bud also....no back stabbing here and I think this is reasonable. To wit, I view the heater as consumable. Not consumable quickly, but I really don't think many of us are going to disassemble the heater to clean the boro balls, inside the slide, etc.

Its dead easy to clean the oven and so far I haven't gotten much of anything further up the heater. But eventually reclaim will begin to accumulate and I, for one, will not be taking it apart. I know many who like to do this kind of stuff...but not me. So, if it lasts me a year or two (which, depending on your usage can be easily done) and for the price, I'm fine with it.

Quite frankly, I view most portables as consumable....so meh.

I run 13W and a 4 minute pre-heat and it really does look like a house afire when I exhale. :-)