Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
I've never heard of that. Can you PM me a link?
Thanks man! I will be saying that prayer right up to surgery time!
BTW, you are always in my prayers!
Fuck the Parkinson's, the Dr just gave me a reason to smoke MORE!
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I've never heard of that. Can you PM me a link?
Thanks man! I will be saying that prayer right up to surgery time!
BTW, you are always in my prayers!
VaporsVaporizer
On the Stoop
Phenylpropanolamine should NOT be used without consulting a Veterinarian. Most older cats have some form of heart disease and or hypertension
http://csu-cvmbs.colostate.edu/vth/Documents/pharmacy-phenylpropanolamine.pdf
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?A=614
http://veterinarymedicine.dvm360.co...sis-in-/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/755828
http://www.vetinfo.com/proin-for-cats.html#b
deadheadbill
I can see clearly now the smoke is gone...
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Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
Thanks for the links! I think I'll stick with the diapers for Sable right now. She is also blind and deaf, so I don't want to give her something that might give her more problems.
VaporsVaporizer
On the Stoop
If she was younger and in relatively good health, it "might" be something to talk with your Vet about, but she's not. We used to have bottles of PPA on the pharmacy shelf back in the old days, now we don't . The FDA took it off the market for humans.
@grokit I'm NOT discounting that it works for your dog-It usually helps.
@grokit I'm NOT discounting that it works for your dog-It usually helps.
grokit
well-worn member
My vet definitely advised it, and even before I knew about the potential problems I tried a half-dose on (then) both of my dogs and it solved their incontinence issues so I never had to give them a full dose. Both of their kidneys were failed, so she also told me to make sure that they always had water to drink which puts added pressure on their failing sphincter. I didn't realize that these issues were worse for cats.
So I would still recommend trying at least a half-dose, but definitely run it by your vet first. You pretty much have to, as it's only available by prescription anyways. I just dropped off some of pancho's pee over there to make sure she doesn't have a bladder infection before re-upping for another six months, which is probably optimistic as she is in a hospice situation and has been trying to die for years now.
I'm certain she doesn't have an infection, at least I would bet against it as lefty didn't have one when she was tested (the prescription was originally for her), and one has never caught anything without the other getting it. In fact they have never been sick a day in their lives, except for once when I had to board them at a kennel a few years ago and they got kennel cough. Still not sure if they got it from the kennel itself, or from the mandatory kennel cough vaccination.
My plan is to keep her as comfortable as possible, and quite honestly heart failure is not a bad way to go compared to some of the less-peaceful options including euthanization.
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VaporsVaporizer
On the Stoop
I'm not saying Vets don't prescribe it. I'm not saying it doesn't work, it does in many cases. I'm saying, talk to your Vet, THINK about what the drug does and the side effects and weight that against your cats incontinence.
Bordatella vaccine does NOT cause Kennel Cough, same as a Flu vaccines does not cause the Flu
exposure to the bacterium/virus does and boarding kennels and shelters are rampant with Kennel Cough, that's why most boarding facilities require the vaccine. Strict adherence to the proper vaccine protocol for each type of Bordatella vaccine (intranasal or injection) and when they got it is your best bet for avoiding Bordatella, but nothing is fool proof and everyone including animals may not react properly to a vaccine.When i started working in Human O.R.'s after 25 years as a licensed Vet Tech
i had to get vaccinated for certain diseases, even though i had had a few as a kid measles, mumps, chicken pox . I didn't have health insurance so i couldn't afford titers to prove immunity and i don't mind injections and the Health Dept gives free vaccines. One of the vaccines i had to have was the Hep B Vaccine. It's given in 3- 4 doses over a 6 month period. I "thought " i was covered, but found out after getting stuck in the O.R. that i did NOT have immunity and had to have 2 more doses before i did have immunity.Now about the idea that going from heart failure is more peaceful than euthanasia, we're gonna have to agree to disagree in most cases. Modern techniques for animal euthanasia usually involves giving a mild sedative before IV administration of euthanasia solutions and it is much more peaceful than what happens to most animals with end stage heart disease. I'll spare you all the details.
I'm not trying to cause fights on this board or contradict anyones Veterinarian and everyone is free to do whatever they want with their animals. I'm just trying to share my knowledge and give people some things to think about and to discuss things with their Veterinarians.
grokit
well-worn member
I'm not saying Vets don't prescribe it. I'm not saying it doesn't work, it does in many cases. I'm saying, talk to your Vet, THINK about what the drug does and the side effects and weight that against your cats incontinence.
Bordatella vaccine does NOT cause Kennel Cough, same as a Flu vaccines does not cause the Flu
When i started working in Human O.R.'s after 25 years as a licensed Vet Tech
Now about the idea that going from heart failure is more peaceful than euthanasia, we're gonna have to agree to disagree in most cases. Modern techniques for animal euthanasia usually involves giving a mild sedative before IV administration of euthanasia solutions and it is much more peaceful than what happens to most animals with end stage heart disease. I'll spare you all the details.
I'm not trying to cause fights on this board or contradict anyones Veterinarian and everyone is free to do whatever they want with their animals. I'm just trying to share my knowledge and give people some things to think about and to discuss things with their Veterinarians.
As I said earlier with regards to the proin, I can see now that cats are different, thank you for this.
I can't tell because of the winky emoticons if you're kidding about some of your points, or if these are your genuine opinions. All I can say about the vaccine is that if it didn't cause the kennel cough, it was certainly ineffective as a vaccine. Lefty got it first, then pancho who gave it back to lefty who seemed to be the more susceptible one. I was able to knock it out of both of them myself by getting lucky.
I had some prednisone handy for pancho and found that it was the remedy of choice for many vets online, even though my current vet scratched her head when I told her about it. I'm guessing it's an old-school thing, I managed to show her where these vets were coming from a bit later with some more research. I'm also guessing that vet training has changed because it's not an expensive enough solution, but I'm sure that there are other justifications for younger vets not being familiar with this remedy. Bottom line is that I worked them both through a therapeutic dosage and was successful. Good thing because I was in between vets at the time, and I was afraid that lefty in particular was going to literally cough up a lung.
As I said, it was the only time in their entire lives either of them have had a contagious disease, so they've been well taken care of. In fact pancho was the runt of a 15-dog litter, yet has outlived all of the others.
I'm never going back to the
If pancho really needed to die, I would rather put a couple of quick .22's in the back of her head and bury her next to her sister, than hire somebody to inject her with a poison cocktail. That's just the way things are done up here. So I'll have to take your word on the point that the lethal injections we give to our animals are more humane than the lethal injections some states still administer to human beings.
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VaporsVaporizer
On the Stoop
As I said earlier with regards to the proin, I can see now that cats are different, thank you for this.
I can't tell because of the winky emoticons if you're kidding about some of your points, or if these are your genuine opinions. All I can say about the vaccine is that if it didn't cause the kennel cough, it was certainly ineffective as a vaccine. Lefty got it first, then pancho who gave it back to lefty who seemed to be the more susceptible one. I was able to knock it out of both of them myself by getting lucky.
I had some prednisone handy for pancho and found that it was the remedy of choice for many vets online, even though my current vet scratched her head when I told her about it. I'm guessing it's an old-school thing, I managed to show her where these vets were coming from a bit later with some more research. I'm also guessing that vet training has changed because it's not an expensive enough solution, but I'm sure that there are other justifications for younger vets not being familiar with this remedy. Bottom line is that I worked them both through a therapeutic dosage and was successful. Good thing because I was in between vets at the time, and I was afraid that lefty in particular was going to literally cough up a lung.
As I said, it was the only time in their entire lives either of them have had a contagious disease, so they've been well taken care of. In fact pancho was the runt of a 15-dog litter, yet has outlived all of the others.
I'm never going back to the evil chain kennel/vet place two hours from home but on the way to the airport if I can help it! And that's part of my situation, I am in an isolated rural area and we are lucky to have a vet at all up here. The last one shot himself in the head, had terminal cancer. This new one seems pretty cool.
If pancho really needed to die, I would much rather put a couple of quick .22's in the back of her head and bury her next to her sister, than hire somebody to inject her with a poison cocktail. That's just the way things are done up here. So I'll have to take your word on the point that the lethal injections we give to our animals are more humane than the lethal injections some states still administer to human beings.
Everything i said was my genuine opinion. Sorry if my use of emoticons was confusing, i never mean them to be.
Vaccines don't always work and your dogs were in a place where the likelihood of contracting Kennel cough was high and it's easily transmitted. I'm sure the Pred did work to relive coughing and to lessen the effects of the Kennel cough, it's used all the time for that reason. Kennel cough is treated the way most colds are, with supportive care . It usually runs it's course in two weeks , only extreme cases wind up with Pneumonia . Antibiotics are not usually given. Controlling the hacking cough is usually all they try to alleviate . I've never even given any of my dogs a Bordatella vaccine because they are not 100% effective . I limit what vaccines my pets get, after initial immunization against the basics.
I've euthanized many animals over the years and done correctly it is humane. It's like going under anesthesia, but they don't wake up.
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
I just went though a pet euthanasia with Alexander. It was very peaceful. They put him to sleep with one drug, then stopped his heart with the next. I find it interesting that the drug they used would be "better" for state executions, but the manufacturer absolutely won't allow their product to be used that way.
momofthegoons
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Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
Best wishes tomorrow @Vicki .... my thoughts are with you and I know you will be just fine.
Thanks @momofthegoons I was just about to lay down and try to get some sleep.
grokit
well-worn member
That's good to know about animal euthanasia. I find it unbelievable that we can't treat human beings with the same dignity we provide our animals.
Lefty went very peacefully, said goodbye then went into her doghouse and fell asleep for good. With pancho all I would have to do is stop her prednisone maintenance, as I said she has been trying to die for years.
The reason my vet was uncomfortable with the prednisone solution, she said it would suppress their immune system and make it harder to fight it off. I responded to her later with pretty much what you said, that it controlled the cough and seemed to make them stronger, she accepted that and all I know is that it worked.
The chain vet with the kennels was definitely the best available, I've seen dirty kennels and this was not one of those. I probably shouldn't have used the word evil, it wasn't because of anything besides the fact that they were all about the $. The girls were in a large pen together, got baths right off the bat, it was a very clean and professional-looking place. They were also supposedly walked outside every day.
They didn't come down with the kennel cough until like a month later, so it must have been incubating for a long time if it was from the kennel itself? They have never been sick before or after that. I think that if I hadn't treated them that it may have turned to pneumonia in lefty's case.
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VaporsVaporizer
On the Stoop
Good luck Vicki
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
Have a good day Vicki. Just try to relax and let the professionals take care of you.Thanks guys.
deadheadbill
I can see clearly now the smoke is gone...
Shit dude!! Look how bad they fucked you up????
deadheadbill
I can see clearly now the smoke is gone...
Awesome news!
Once you get it...
Once you get it...
