First Vaporizer: which according to my preferences? & some question.

[Greenleaf88]

My vote is for the omni or any dyna. The learning curve isn't that difficult you eliminate it with a induction heater and respect the click. A triple torch takes out alot of the learning curve too.

Adjustable bowl biggest size hols like .15
Effective extraction
Hit it when your ready
Tasty
Clouds
Check marks all your boxes.

Edit; almost forgot incredibly easy to clean.

 

[invertedisdead]

If OP is going conduction, why not just get a Solo 2 and call it a day?

What does a Vapcap + IH genuinely deliver vapor quality wise that a Solo doesn’t? I recently made the observation that the manual nature of the Dynavap is not really ideal for beginners, as it doesn’t necessarily teach best practices for vaping. I’m seeing a huge trend in the community where people that learned on overcooked Dynavaps are subsequently disappointed by all other vaporizers that don’t produce charcoal black AVB. IMO going with a vape that limits you to actually vaporizing is the right move. And I’m not bashing the Dyna, it works fine when used within its parameters but many want to circle around them.

IMO a Solo, or Fury 2 or something simple and electronically governed is a good choice for a first vape.

 

[Greenleaf88]

If OP is going conduction, why not just get a Solo 2 and call it a day?

What does a Vapcap + IH genuinely deliver vapor quality wise that a Solo doesn’t? I recently made the observation that the manual nature of the Dynavap is not really ideal for beginners, as it doesn’t necessarily teach best practices for vaping. I’m seeing a huge trend in the community where people that learned on overcooked Dynavaps are subsequently disappointed by all other vaporizers that don’t produce charcoal black AVB. IMO going with a vape that limits you to actually vaporizing is the right move. And I’m not bashing the Dyna, it works fine when used within its parameters but many want to circle around them.

IMO a Solo, or Fury 2 or something simple and
electronically governed is a good choice for a first vape.

Op said he likes ti take big rips and come back to it a solo 8s not capable of that it takes multiple hits to even get going. Whereas the dymavap u can take one hit and come back to it an hour later like the op asked for.

 

[Greenleaf88]

Op said he likes ti take big rips and come back to it, a solo is not capable of that it takes multiple hits to even get going. Whereas the dymavap u can take one hit and come back to it an hour later like the op asked for.

Edit: solo session vape

 

[Ganjora]

What swayed me to dynavap was their indestrutibility.
After a nuclear war it will still function.
You will probably be dead, but at least whoever finds you will have a working, glow in the dark, dynavap!

 

[invertedisdead]

Op said he likes ti take big rips and come back to it a solo 8s not capable of that it takes multiple hits to even get going. Whereas the dymavap u can take one hit and come back to it an hour later like the op asked for.

Frankly, I would not want to come back to a bowl in either of them. Convection works so much better for that and nobody seems to have been able to convince OP to go that route.

OP may have said they like “big rips” but Neither Dyna nor Solo are what I would personally prescribe for “big rips.”

It’s much easier to know what we want in a vaporizer after trying a few. I’m not sure if the OP has tried a vaporizer yet or not.

 

[gordontreeman]

Frankly, I would not want to come back to a bowl in either of them. Convection works so much better for that and nobody seems to have been able to convince OP to go that route.

OP may have said they like “big rips” but Neither Dyna nor Solo are what I would personally prescribe for “big rips.”

It’s much easier to know what we want in a vaporizer after trying a few. I’m not sure if the OP has tried a vaporizer yet or not.

Re: OP may have said they like “big rips” but Neither Dyna nor Solo are what I would personally prescribe for “big rips.”

OP is also coming from a joint. Bear in mind that your idea of "big rips" and OPs idea are probably vastly different.

Re: Frankly, I would not want to come back to a bowl in either of them. Convection works so much better for that and nobody seems to have been able to convince OP to go that route.

We can talk all day about what percentage of a dynavap is conduction vs convection heating, but I'm pretty convinced that it wouldn't bake as evenly as it does without at least a non-trivial amount of convection heating. With my ti tip I end up with a lovely dark tobacco brown throughout the tip without stirring anything when I'm finished. The stainless does admittedly get a lot darker if you take it to the bitter end and put up with some bad flavor, but I'm ok with being given the choice as a user.

I agree on your last point, but its not practical for everyone to spend hundreds of dollars on vapes. From what OP has described, I think a DV + a torch would serve them well (I really don't buy into the IH hype, or the sentiment that its necessary to get the most out of a DV). A lot of other vaporizers would as well, most likely. The cost of entry is just undeniably low with e.g. an M.

 

[Texus]

And an IH can be a down the road purchase if necessary for a DV. Tough to keep up with all the models coming out, and with so many coming out.

I'll also disaggree a bit on big hits from the Dynavap. Part of the versatility (which also means there is a bit of a learning curve) of the Dynavap lies in the range of types of hits you get. In a torch setting, the combo of how long you light it or how far past the click you want to go, and where on the tip you heat, you have a wide range of the types of hits you will be getting. IIRC Dynavap has some videos on this, or maybe it was something covered by Sneaky Pete, Troy and/or Jerry.

 

[Siebter]

Oh you can totally get a punchy hit from the Dynavaps, just a matter of technique. With the Solo 2 not so much, at least that's my experience. The portable Arizers are much slower when it comes to extraction speed.

 

[Greenleaf88]

Big rips sticky brick closest to a bong rip and tasty.

 

[Kins]

I don't think it's a good idea to give a guy new to vaping something that takes technique and learning how use it. With a person new to vapes you would want the vapes without a learning curve.....

 

[Texus]

I don't think it's a good idea to give a guy new to vaping something that takes technique and learning how use it. With a person new to vapes you would want the vapes without a learning curve.....

Well, we can let the OP make that call.

Dynavap was my first vape. Not that hard to get a quality hit and keep from combusting with a torch. Even easier with IH. And then you start dialing in your technique for the type of hit you most like. I've also given the Dynavap as gifts to non-vapers, and they've not reported any issues with learning to use it. Again, the videos on using it are extremely helpful, and you can really get a great idea of how to use a lighter and things to avoid etc from them. I send video links when I gift the Dynavap and while I got by just fine without having seen them myself, still learned things from watching them.

And from OP's list of criteria, his statement "I smoked pipes for some year so I love rituals, feeling tactile, portability" really suggests that learning technique is not going to be an issue, or that having to learn technique would be a complaint.

And these other criteria also continue to make me regard Dynavaps as an excellent option.
- I would like the ability to use small amounts of material;
- I love long, deep hits with long (minutes, I mean) breaks from each other.

 

[invertedisdead]

Getting bigger hits by heating lower on the cap, effectively "turning up the temperature" is commonplace for nearly all vaporizers. On a Solo you can do the same by pushing the up button. On a VapBong or log you turn the voltage up. On a brick you turn the torch up.

In fact the Brick would be another good option if they smoke pipes and want a ritual.

 

[Kins]

Dynavap has got to be the most over hyped vape over here at FC.

 

[Siebter]

@Kins – When I got my first Dynavap, I was pretty much a vape noob and the devices I tried before where totally different in nature, yet it was that Dynavap that made me stop smoking. It takes some mindfulness when using it for the first few times, but that doesn't make it a hard to use device at all. You can say that the Dynavaps are overhyped, no prob. But that's not the reality. The reality is that you couldn't get along with it (which is okay btw).

Getting bigger hits by heating lower on the cap, effectively "turning up the temperature" is commonplace for nearly all vaporizers. On a Solo you can do the same by pushing the up button. On a VapBong or log you turn the voltage up. On a brick you turn the torch up.

No, it's not only about the heat, it's also about how you manipulate the airport and how you load the chamber as well.

 

[invertedisdead]

No, it's not only about the heat, it's also about how you manipulate the airport and how you load the chamber as well.

Aren't all vapes affected by how much air you pull through them, and how you load the chamber?

 

[Texus]

Yeah, Brick is a good option. Personally, I found the learning curve on those more challenging and more likely to result in combustion than Dynavap.

 

[BrianTL]

Getting bigger hits by heating lower on the cap, effectively "turning up the temperature" is commonplace for nearly all vaporizers. On a Solo you can do the same by pushing the up button. On a VapBong or log you turn the voltage up. On a brick you turn the torch up.

In fact the Brick would be another good option if they smoke pipes and want a ritual.

I suggested a brick to somebody on reddit the other day and got shit on bc apparently its "outdated and overpriced," lol. The guy got all bent out of shape and was comparing it to the other brick-style vapes that are out there and how they're "way better devices"... so I just said thats his opinion and the brick is a favorite of mine, the differences don't necessarily mean its "better," which was my opinion.

Then I basically got the "you're just wrong dont pretend that you're the one teaching me" - OK dude.

Part of attraction of the brick IMO is the simplicity. Probably a little harder to dial it in for a new-user than a DV, if I had to guess, but I really love the brick.

 

[gordontreeman]

I would think the Brick would be even harder to master absent the temp indicating click.

That said, I think you guys are really overstating the "learning curve" associated with a dynavap--that or I'm some kind of idiot savant, because as I stated, I watched one YT video and got the hang of it. If you want to do things like pack a full cap and clear it in a single rip then there's probably a little more leg work to doing it, but you act like it requires the equivalent of a vaping phd to produce vapor and it couldn't be more dead simple imo. If anything I'd think learning the slow pull I see people claim is necessary with an Arizer would be more difficult.

 

[Siebter]

Same here, my first Dynavap session worked for me – wouldn't call it foolproof, but it doesn't need black magic or stuff.

Aren't all vapes affected by how much air you pull through them, and how you load the chamber?

True (more or less), but my point was that I find it hard to achieve the same dense hits that I can easily do with my Dynavaps with the Solo 2. At least not natively, with a glass setup it's actually very capable. By itself the Dynavaps are on a different level when it comes to denseness and extraction speed.

 

[Kins]

@Kins – When I got my first Dynavap, I was pretty much a vape noob and the devices I tried before where totally different in nature, yet it was that Dynavap that made me stop smoking. It takes some mindfulness when using it for the first few times, but that doesn't make it a hard to use device at all. You can say that the Dynavaps are overhyped, no prob. But that's not the reality. The reality is that you couldn't get along with it (which is okay btw).

It's both really. Yes Dynavaps are overhyped here.

 

[Siebter]

Yes Dynavaps are overhyped here.

So you are trying to explain to me that the device I favor and use the most is just a hype? How do you even know? Apparently you don't even know how to use a DV properly (which, again, is okay).

Please, contemplate your input here. We all like to share our experiences, good or bad, but don't explain to others that their joy about something is just a hype. Doesn't help anyone.

 

[sunyata]

@Siebter & @Kins

I feel like you're just simply talking past each other? Dynavaps are hype in that they are being hyped a lot. The company has pretty active promo and marketing (compared to many other devices we see here), there's a lot of fans, active subreddit, a lot of market for other makers etc. People preorder them like crazy and hype chiral airports and whatnot. And what some people claim about them is a bit much, especially compared to a lot of the more bespoke options out there. That doesn't stop dynavaps being great fucking little devices however. It just means some stuff needs to be taken with a grain of salt. But that there is also pretty good reason for the widespread positive appraisal of dynavap devices is also undeniable.

 

[Siebter]

@sunyata – Sure, people love to rave about the DVs and it has many fans. But the term „overhyping“ means a device gets credit it does not deserve, and that's pretty much what Kins wants to say I guess.

Anyway, all this is heavily OT, so let's better end it here.

 

[Tabris]

Thank you all for your active participation. Really.
It is normal that everyone has their preferences and dislikes but having this topic a specific purpose, that is to help an inexperienced user, I invite you to be as objective as possible, avoiding short sentences and referring as much as possible to the device you want to talk about. Because I think it's obvious that there is always another one that does a certain thing better.

Now, about my needs/habits read here. My budget is around € 200.

I am currently considering vapcap and Glow 18.
The Sticky Brick is very interesting but I would feel unsafe to use it outdoors. And it puzzles me to inhale the flame, safe as it may be.