First QWISO runs ever - Open to criticism & commentary

[BigDaddyVapor]

OK. Crazy/stupid question here, on the same-ish topic... though I'm doing a butane (Power 5x) extraction. I've watched some videos on Youtube! and see guys using PVC tube. So after my bud tender offers me a sweet deal on $10g Top Shelf shake for $5g, if I do some BHO... I ended up with about 12g of damn good shake and small buds.

I did some reading and I see... DON'T USE PVC. Only guy that says, its OK... says not to use it for more than one extraction. @#$% that. I read about some guys using glass turkey basters. I could buy one... but, don't have one. Then... browsing links, I see a simple statement... "I found the perfect downstem to use!"

So this gets me thinking. I've got a few nick-knack glass pieces to throw together something, already had an idea brewing.

So I come up with this, GlassBlowersDirect 18/18 DS (like 6"), and oregronglassblower 18/14 reducer and old style 14mm whip adapter. Found a fitting on the butane cap that fits airtight in the hole of the adapter. So this is it. Don't laugh yet...

Besides... before I burned through the whole 12g, I want to make sure I know what I'm doing. First run, which I'm going to have to clean-up (didn't cover it in time... just a few hairs)... but I did get a nice bright ring around 1/2 the pan and a small puddle. We'll see. I only pushed just over a gram through. But, an update with the pictures.

This is what I configured.

For size comparison. A big can of Power 5x... 5.8oz/300ml. Also shows with 2 coffee filters attached.

Now this is packed in there... but I could probably cram more, if I wanted too. I packed it a bit as I loaded and was able to fit 2g in the DS, up to the 18/14 reducer.

Finally, the exploded view.

Now dabs are OK. I bought a 2nd purchase, .5g of some more blonde stuff. Its, "eh...". Hits little harder than most of my herb, not all. Karma Bitch still hit like a brick. First stuff I had, was 1 dab and I was medicated for a good 2-3 hours... trailing off slowly after that.

This ran thru REAL fast. Too fast, actually... which is why I tried to pack more in there. But this little thing ripped thru half the can, before I really knew what happened. Still, its cheap enough and I've still got 11g to use.

Also, I do not want to use heat for the purge. Butane and heat... no thanks. I can cover it and let it sit, I'm patient enough for that. But, what kind of return should I expect on 10g. I'm reading anywhere from less than a gram (Which is a wasted investment), to a couple/three grams.

Input on any of it, please... and pardon my ignorance on the subject.

 

[Shoff]

Not trying to be rude but it is just foolish to not purge. Potency increases, taste improves, and solvent side effects decrease or diminish entirely. I think this is at least part of the reason you were not blown away by your product. That being said, I think it's very creative you MacGuyvered up a glass extractor out of a downstem! Glass extractors are not as affordable as they should be in my opinion.. They're my favorite to blast through because you can really see the progress of the extraction and the release of butane.

As for what you should expect on the remaining bud, a 15-20% return in bho is about normal for top shelf around here. Obviously though the definition of top shelf (as well as the associated cannabinoid content which ultimately decides the yield) varies from place to place. For you this should translate into at least a gram of oil; I'd expect something around a half-eighth.

If at all possible, think of your early extractions as a learning process and don't get discouraged!

 

[dorkus_molorkus]

its a small run, and besides he said he is patient enough to wait. So, in effect he is purging it slowly.
I am finding small amounts( say 2 tubes) spread really thinly on the bottom of a pyrex dish seems to yield a much better product than when I run 4 tubes into a small dish.
If I do a 2xtube run in the same dish, I get awesome amber shatter thats somewhat to quite stable at room temp. Do the exact same process, but run 4 tubes instead of 2. I then get this, I dunno, runny,goopy dark, really hard to work with oil thats a deadset PITA to use at room temp.

I suspect its some plant matter condensing together. So, I either get a bigger pan (easy peasy) or I get a bigger pan and one of these badboys.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BHO-Butane-...t=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item4abd7371ed

Now, in order for this post to be relevant to the thread. Read on

Regardless of whether I get a bigger pan or not. For my next BHO run, I am going to have some 99% ISO chillin like a villian in the deep freeze. I will then dissolve my BHO into the iso, put back into the freezer overnight.

Hopefully, any of the plant waxes (or whateverthefuck they are) will freeze, but not the oily goodness.
Strain thru coffee filter, and then wait for it all to dissolve away.

Fingers crossed, there will be yum, yums at the end in the form of golden shattery love.

Now, my question is.

If I am dissolving my BHO into iso then reconstituting it later, then do I need to purge the butane out before I dissolve it into the iso?

I am not chemist, chemical engineer (or whateverthefuck). But why purge something out of it in one form, then as soon as its done, immediately changing it into another form.

The theory behind purging is to release the butane stuck in the oil. If its no longer an oil, but a liquid
does that mean the butane (a gas) can now escape, just by normal evaporation?

thoughts anyone??


BDV- your pan/dish in a hot water bath will help with the purge. You can do that outside with no need for any of them fancy electrics or gas heat sources near your dish.

I use a double boiler with an electric plate myself & a candy themometer. I keep the water about 140-155f. some say 100-120f is the right temp, but I am normally in a goddamn hurry when i make mine.
So, the extra few degrees speeds it up a little, but any hotter and it seems to affect the end result in a negative way.

 

[Bon Dog]

OK. Crazy/stupid question here, on the same-ish topic... though I'm doing a butane (Power 5x) extraction. I've watched some videos on Youtube! and see guys using PVC tube. So after my bud tender offers me a sweet deal on $10g Top Shelf shake for $5g, if I do some BHO... I ended up with about 12g of damn good shake and small buds.

I did some reading and I see... DON'T USE PVC. Only guy that says, its OK... says not to use it for more than one extraction. @#$% that. I read about some guys using glass turkey basters. I could buy one... but, don't have one. Then... browsing links, I see a simple statement... "I found the perfect downstem to use!"

So this gets me thinking. I've got a few nick-knack glass pieces to throw together something, already had an idea brewing.

So I come up with this, GlassBlowersDirect 18/18 DS (like 6"), and oregronglassblower 18/14 reducer and old style 14mm whip adapter. Found a fitting on the butane cap that fits airtight in the hole of the adapter. So this is it. Don't laugh yet...

Besides... before I burned through the whole 12g, I want to make sure I know what I'm doing. First run, which I'm going to have to clean-up (didn't cover it in time... just a few hairs)... but I did get a nice bright ring around 1/2 the pan and a small puddle. We'll see. I only pushed just over a gram through. But, an update with the pictures.

This is what I configured.

For size comparison. A big can of Power 5x... 5.8oz/300ml. Also shows with 2 coffee filters attached.

Now this is packed in there... but I could probably cram more, if I wanted too. I packed it a bit as I loaded and was able to fit 2g in the DS, up to the 18/14 reducer.

Finally, the exploded view.

Now dabs are OK. I bought a 2nd purchase, .5g of some more blonde stuff. Its, "eh...". Hits little harder than most of my herb, not all. Karma Bitch still hit like a brick. First stuff I had, was 1 dab and I was medicated for a good 2-3 hours... trailing off slowly after that.

This ran thru REAL fast. Too fast, actually... which is why I tried to pack more in there. But this little thing ripped thru half the can, before I really knew what happened. Still, its cheap enough and I've still got 11g to use.

Also, I do not want to use heat for the purge. Butane and heat... no thanks. I can cover it and let it sit, I'm patient enough for that. But, what kind of return should I expect on 10g. I'm reading anywhere from less than a gram (Which is a wasted investment), to a couple/three grams.

Input on any of it, please... and pardon my ignorance on the subject.

just my , but u will need to purge for like 30m with some heat, it allows for the residual butane to be released, it makes the oil more viscous allowing the butane to move to the surface.most of it u wont see till u add some heat, u will hardly notice it if u didnt purge it (very light bitter taste).

also a little tip, when i first started doing bho i just knew there had to be more goodies after my first (and even 2nd) run of the same bud, so i tried making butter from like 4oz (dont relay remember how much but it was quite a bit) and it turned out to still get me high. now i just run it once and do a medium soak qwiso and make eddibles with the w/ the qwiso.
iv been meaning to post this somewhere but never have gotten around to it (i dont post much when im baked lol just lurk)

hope it helps

 

[dannkk]

Yea, you will need to purge, but doing it safely is pretty simple. No flame, what so ever any where near where you are blasting butane. Use only a hot water bath. 130 degrees or something. Then, after all liquid butane has evaporated and all that's left is oil and bubbles, then it's safe to bring inside and put over the stove. The amounts left in your oil are miniscule. The dangerous times are when you're blasting and while the liquid butane is evaporating and of course, shortly after the liquid butane has evaporated...but you did that outside, and you're now inside with your oil.

 

[Bon Dog]

also if it makes u feel better u can leave it outside till the majority of the butane is gone then bring it inside. oh and my fav tip, if u have a crockpot u can use it for the indirect heat, just put water in it and set it to low. it will take a minute to heat up so turn it on low 30m b4 u want to make ur bho, since u are w8ing till most of the tane is gone u might be good if u turn it on about the same time as u start spaying

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

Thanks for the advice guys. Good stuff, plus I've received some additional info on some of the additional inhalation hazards and such. I still haven't run anything else thru. I love the crock pot idea, Bon Dog. I don't like a lot of the tutorials, because the guys are so vague.

If I have time today, I'll run some more thru. I'm going to use my extractor. Since I discovered I can pack it even tighter, I'm pretty sure I can fit just over 2 grams. From the return estimates and just the little I did, I don't think I need anything bigger. I was looking at some of the actual glass extractor last night. I thought it was funny, some of the similarities, around the connection point.

Thanks everyone!

 

[Bon Dog]

how many times did u run the bud... and i forget is it bud or shake?

i agree the tuts kinda suck. but on the other hand most of us are stoned for a large chunk of the day and i know that i find it kinda hard to put things into words when im baked (been sober for 2 days now lol maybe thats why im posting so much... well i had a 'few' beers last night lol, i hate having a hangover and no mflb )

however i think that most people learn quick, in my experience making bho is more about small adjustments that with enough of them results in a perfect product

oh and one last thing if the pyrex pan is larger than the crockpot then u may need to shift it from time to time and stir it a little (not whip, unless u want that) so that all of it gets heated (i bought a pyrex to fit my crockpot lol)

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

I only ran that 1 gram thru and only a single time. Not going to do anymore, until I get back home on Tuesday... maybe Wednesday. My dish is the perfect size. Its a Pyrex bread pan. So its got high enough sides to not worry about the bath. Easily fit in most large crockpots.

Its labeled "Shake"... but its not trim, or anything like that. The co-op I go to, when they change out containers on the Top Shelf ($15g - $20g stuff), they throw what's left in their "shake jar". It normally sells for $10g, but he said he'd give it to me for $5g. Its a slight savings over buying a gram of wax... but with mixed results, I would rather know what's going in is quality herb. I know my friend/bud-tender is going to try and work with me, because he wants me to provide him with BHO.

 

[Bon Dog]

thats whats up, that seems like a great way to learn (i had to use shwag non med state FTL lol). i prefer bho that i make (as do a few others ) bcause i can control the variables (like herb content, purging, etc) and its way more fun than buying it (i know im a nerd =p)... if i could find it more than once every few months.

 

[Shoff]

i prefer bho that i make (as do a few others ) bcause i can control the variables (like herb content, purging, etc) and its way more fun than buying it (i know im a nerd =p)... if i could find it more than once every few months.

100% with you there! Even if I lived in a place where I could buy it, the bho I make is consistently better than what I see being passed off as 'quality' concentrates. Not that I believe it tests any higher potency.. just that mine is clean, tasty, and almost always has a really stable structure (mostly shatter), so I'm happy with it.

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

So I tried another batch of the BHO. Used the hot bath with the crock pot on high. It bubbled up pretty fast with big bubblers which were thick skinned, with smaller, thinner bubbles also forming. Eventually, the big bubbles stopped and only little ones would form. I removed it from the heat, moved it inside.

Once it was time to scrape, the thinner portions had sections that were crackly. Like a candy apple shell. The rest was thick, thick and gooey, with extras goo. I should have scraped it a bit thinner, because it became a big difficult blob to work with. As the hours have passed, its gotten more crackly along the edges and is starting to turn a golden color with the lighter areas, turning that same crackly candy apple, to the darker part being extremely gooey and sticky (it got it on my fingertip by accident and it took like 3 scrubs to get off, after it spread to 3 other fingers)

Here's the new stuff. Some of the dark spots are because I was filling the extraction tub and spilled like 5-6 granules of herb.

Took a couple dabs and it hits HARD. Obviously, the Top Shelf shake is extremely Indica dominant... which isn't strange. Straight Indica outnumbers the Sativas 2 to 1. Weighed this after the purge and transferring. Used about 5.5g and it gave me just under 1.2g.

Excuse the sloppy transfer, I wasn't expecting it to be as thick and sticky as it was.

 

[Bon Dog]

So I tried another batch of the BHO. Used the hot bath with the crock pot on high. It bubbled up pretty fast with big bubblers which were thick skinned, with smaller, thinner bubbles also forming. Eventually, the big bubbles stopped and only little ones would form. I removed it from the heat, moved it inside.

Once it was time to scrape, the thinner portions had sections that were crackly. Like a candy apple shell. The rest was thick, thick and gooey, with extras goo. I should have scraped it a bit thinner, because it became a big difficult blob to work with. As the hours have passed, its gotten more crackly along the edges and is starting to turn a golden color with the lighter areas, turning that same crackly candy apple, to the darker part being extremely gooey and sticky (it got it on my fingertip by accident and it took like 3 scrubs to get off, after it spread to 3 other fingers)

Here's the new stuff. Some of the dark spots are because I was filling the extraction tub and spilled like 5-6 granules of herb.

Took a couple dabs and it hits HARD. Obviously, the Top Shelf shake is extremely Indica dominant... which isn't strange. Straight Indica outnumbers the Sativas 2 to 1. Weighed this after the purge and tranferring. Used about 5.5g and it game me just under 1.2g.

Excuse the sloppy transfer, I wasn't expecting it to be as thick and sticky as it was.

22% yield . I think that would come out to $23 a g. Is that a good price for your neck of the woods?

(its good for my neck of the woods lol)

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

It ranges from $20 to $40. The $40 stuff, looked like this. Was strong as the stuff, I just made... but a much lighter/uplifting high.

The $20 stuff I saw, was real dark green, and reminded me of pureed wheat grass and sticky mud.

 

[Bon Dog]

The $20 stuff I saw, was real dark green, and reminded me of pureed wheat grass and sticky mud.

i ran some like this. it turned out to have great flavor but lacked it potency

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

The guy said it was straight Indica... but I could tell, he really didn't want to sell it to me. He kept telling me, they were getting new stuff (supposed to) on Tuesday (last week). They didn't have anything, on Wednesday when I quit calling.

The meds lasted on this new batch, for at least 2 hours, but followed by a long Indica-like, I want to go to bed feeling. Very heavy eyelids now and I'm kinda "@#$% it", cause I still need to load the dishwasher. LOL!

Not so good on anxiety though, which disappoints me. Its the #1 thing I look for in my meds (its literally my #1b enemy, next to high BP). It should make a really nice before bed dab, which is kind of what I wanted... as I'm not big on dabs, in the day. I want to kick it... vape a couple tubes, kicking back. Night time, I just want the kick in the whatever pain I'm feeling and the tired.

 

[Bon Dog]

The guy said it was straight Indica... but I could tell, he really didn't want to sell it to me. He kept telling me, they were getting new stuff (supposed to) on Tuesday (last week). They didn't have anything, on Wednesday when I quit calling.

The meds lasted on this new batch, for at least 2 hours, but followed by a long Indica-like, I want to go to bed feeling. Very heavy eyelids now and I'm kinda "@#$% it", cause I still need to load the dishwasher. LOL!

Not so good on anxiety though, which disappoints me. Its the #1 thing I look for in my meds (its literally my #1b enemy, next to high BP). It should make a really nice before bed dab, which is kind of what I wanted... as I'm not big on dabs, in the day. I want to kick it... vape a couple tubes, kicking back. Night time, I just want the kick in the whatever pain I'm feeling and the tired.

have u tried like half a hit in a bowl from your HI? thats how i like my bho during the day (except i put it in a fat mflb trench =p ) i find i can pace myself through the half-dab over about an hour insted of all at once

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

Oh hey... That's some good ideas. @$&# why did I just text my buddy offering this to him!?

I'm going to pick up some more "shake" from him, even though I still have half of what I originally started with... and I was looking at the stuff from the first run. I think I had it packed to tight. Because I put it in an open container and after the butane smell left, I had what looked to be some top shelf shake, with a shit load of kief.

 

[Bon Dog]

I think I had it packed to tight. Because I put it in an open container and after the butane smell left, I had what looked to be some top shelf shake, with a shit load of kief.

tightness only causes the problems of blowouts and too much plant waxes (i personally don't mind a bit of wax, i think it adds a bit of flavor, but it is a balance between flavor and potency)

at least i think

edit: if it it looser the product is usually clearer and cleaner looking

 

[deadheadbill]

I made some today using this process:

The only thing I did different is after a bunch of the butane had evaporated I added some grain alcohol, stirred it a bit and once it quit bubbling put it back to evap. that is supposed to insure all the butane is gone without a vacuum.

It is finishing up and i'll let you know how it turned out later.

 

[b0]

That method seems really easy, is like doing QWISO

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

I gave the rest to my budtender... Enough to absolutely wreck him, his brother, their roommate, friend and me... with enough left over for several bongloads.

They're combusters, so I figured it would be a good gauge of my purge. I asked him to watch for little sparks and popping. I haven't experienced any, doing dabs. Plus, for the first time, I talked his brother into a dab/smoking/anything. Report came back clean. They said its a bit harsh (because they all coughed... pussies), which I rolled my eyes at. They were torched for a good two hours, off 1 dab.

 

[Edward Hyde]

That method seems really easy, is like doing QWISO

its just that u use WAY too much butane and get WAY less wax out of it...i've tried it like 5 times still gets less than what it should out of the material...

 

[b0]

So the tipical tube method is better? I will have to buy a glass tube to try to make some BHO then...

 

[deadheadbill]

its just that u use WAY too much butane and get WAY less wax out of it...i've tried it like 5 times still gets less than what it should out of the material...

So the tipical tube method is better? I will have to buy a glass tube to try to make some BHO then...

Well, I got 1.3g from 3g of bud using the other method. I did use 3/4 of a 5oz bottle of butane, but that was partially because I overdid it and I can live with that.

I did make some changes to the method in the vid based on other info and I'll be glad to share the changes if there is any interest.