Octavia
No thoughts, head empty
Honestly more than I was expecting
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Fiberglass found in Angus Enhanced
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RAMMSTEIN
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I didn't expect anything and was still disappointed
Minsc_NBoo
Active Member
So is this confirming the the original AE had fibreglass insulation in it? If so that does make the teardown picture a bit alarming
Octavia
No thoughts, head empty
Yup, I believe Yllvape confirmed it was fibreglass shortly after the news broke. Sounds like the earliest versions had a roll of uncovered fibreglass around the centre tube, newer versions added a layer of tape over the fibreglass, but all known versions prior to this recall had some form of fibreglass insulation.
Björn Kikkelsson
Active Member
Got my refund from the shop I bought the device from and gonna steer clear of the company from now on. Really liked my AE, but it is what it is, not taking risks with any suspect materials which may or may not be a health risk + the answer from the company is pathetic.
After reading this, I'm not losing any sleep over fiberglass surrounding the airpath of my AE, even if a lil leaks into the airpath.
But if anyone has any actual peer-reviewed science that contradicts these findings (largely from fiberglass plant employees who worked there for decades), I'm all ears.
For now, it seems like charred or well done meat is associated with worse outcomes. And then there is alcohol...
But if anyone has any actual peer-reviewed science that contradicts these findings (largely from fiberglass plant employees who worked there for decades), I'm all ears.
For now, it seems like charred or well done meat is associated with worse outcomes. And then there is alcohol...
Andreaerdna
If God is the answer, then the question is wrong
The review you posted is from 2007, 4 years later NTP still reasonably considering fiber glass dust as anticipated carcinogenic, so maybe caution still a good advice related to inhaling fiberglass, despite your optimism
from
Fiberglass - Wikipedia
In June 2011, the US National Toxicology Program (NTP) removed from its Report on Carcinogens all biosoluble glass wool used in home and building insulation and for non-insulation products.[31] However, NTP still considers fibrous glass dust to be "reasonably anticipated [as] a human carcinogen (Certain Glass Wool Fibers (Inhalable))"
also: did a third party verify if it is indeed fiberglass and not something similar yet differently dangerous, like fiberceramic?
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kokolokokolokon
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Yep, same info I shared here in the first pages.
Nope since 2011.
They removed the fiberglass. I don't know what else people expect.
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dukes00
Active Member
Seems to me that there is a fair bit of space between "it's harmless" and "it doesn't influence MORTALITY in a statistically significant way", but maybe that's just me...
Also, this is a direct quote from the paper:
IMO, this isn't calming at all in AE's context.
4-Aces King-High
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My A.E. Stopped heating after less than A month of Use——contacted YLL And Retailer-No Response from either.
I initially bought 3)O.G. Angus,and for 420 ,2025 picked up another O.G. For $120 delivered. The O.G.s ,2 of them I changed the boro balls To Ruby balls and experimented other ways for more Air flow.
I have an Aerolite on preorderwhich May never come out with the supposed problem-solving the A.E. We Will See.
kokolokokolokon
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@dukes00 If you want something more detailed, I shared a link on the first pages of this thread where the type of exposure is specified more than in the case shared by the user.
Of course, there is a gap between being harmless and not being deadly, however, given the type of information that has wanted to be promulgated by certain users, considerably aggravating the possible consequences and the magnitude of exposure to the material, it is positive to share the data correctly.
Anyway, the fiberglass has been removed from the device, and the brand is going to replace the devices already sold.
Of course, there is a gap between being harmless and not being deadly, however, given the type of information that has wanted to be promulgated by certain users, considerably aggravating the possible consequences and the magnitude of exposure to the material, it is positive to share the data correctly.
Anyway, the fiberglass has been removed from the device, and the brand is going to replace the devices already sold.
Flotsam
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I have provided a link to an explanation explaining differences between European CE mark and the China Export mark .
This confusion has existed for years. I think this was deliberate enough in implementation to sow confusion by the Chinese. I would NOT single out Yll for this.
https://www.westwoodsourcing.com/bl...In contrast to the CE,CE mark at first glance.
This confusion has existed for years. I think this was deliberate enough in implementation to sow confusion by the Chinese. I would NOT single out Yll for this.
https://www.westwoodsourcing.com/bl...In contrast to the CE,CE mark at first glance.
Yeah. Lots of cherry picking going on, for sure.
It’s not quite the same thing as coincidentally breathing trace amounts of the material in because one is in the general vicinity of the product.
For me, the safety criteria threshold for a material going into a device that is intended to be forcefully inhaled through (and when the pressure differential will result in small particles to be sucked though any gap large enough) should be much higher than the criteria used in other applications.
But maybe that’s just me.
One of the main reasons I choose DHV over other consumption methods is that I view it as significantly safer than combusting. Using similar logic, I think I’ll pass on YLL stuff, at least for now.
seedy53
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more on the subject: zylon-fibers btw it can be dye but not white very often-difficult process
Andreaerdna
If God is the answer, then the question is wrong
So temp probe insulation cannot be zylon as mike said, isn’t it?
Craaazy another deceiving info from YLL
I dunno how some of you still defending this vape and this company
The link don't talk about dying... do you have examples of dyed PBO fiber ?more on the subject: zylon-fibers btw it can be dye but not white very often-difficult process
As I said earlier :
But I'd like to be proven wrong.
Google search didn't helped though...
Even if it's dyed, i don't think it can be mass colored. It could probably be coated, the way it's usually done with dyneema fibers (that is generally polyurethane), but the coating wears overtime and you cannot make the braid appear whiter than the base material. this is not an issue with dyneema but with zylon...
What a complete nothing burger of a statement. Though its about what I expected from a company who ships out broken products and then ghosts customers. The way FC and the established members have handled this though is hilarious, outright hostility to people not wanting to inhale fibreglass. At least its revealed this forum isn't the solid source of information it was once touted to be, but in fact an insular community of paid shills. At this point YLL could say the heating element contains mercury and radiation and you'd have these shills out here defending it
seedy53
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never said the z-link did. my comment was a btw statement. (BY THE WAY). i don't remember where i saw it. maybe i read it on a google ai assist thing. i've read so much on this subject and i'm tired of doing so.
if you want to think zylon/pob material can't be braided or dye white or it is impossible, that's ok with me.
i suspect that google search is thin on some of china's manufacturing material and technigues, esp. translated documentation . i have some real word issues i must take care of now. btw- i did my best, but i'm done for the present.
kokolokokolokon
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@Crab
To be clear: I think your words are disrespectful to any usual member of this forum.
You talk about hostility when many things have been said and most people have shown their discontent with the material. And it is more than ironic to talk about hostility and then use the “shills” pejorative. More concrete “an insular community of paid shill”.
All those who have shared information in this thread have been to report correctly and avoid falling into the type of behavior that prevails on Twitter or Reddit.
To be clear: I think your words are disrespectful to any usual member of this forum.
You talk about hostility when many things have been said and most people have shown their discontent with the material. And it is more than ironic to talk about hostility and then use the “shills” pejorative. More concrete “an insular community of paid shill”.
All those who have shared information in this thread have been to report correctly and avoid falling into the type of behavior that prevails on Twitter or Reddit.
Andreaerdna
If God is the answer, then the question is wrong
Do you have first hand intel? independently verified tear down of the actual device to inform us correctly or you are just reporting YLL communication?