FakeXhale Cloud (Unauthorized and Unsupported)

Frederick McGuire

Frederick McGuire

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@Seek I don't know enough about the cloud internals to know if that's a good idea or not, but at that point, wouldn't it be easier to just get the cloud and use it as is?

Anyways, I broke down and ordered one.
The wait for my EVO has been killing me, and now it's looking like there's a low chance of getting it this year, so it'll be nice to have a cloud to play with until the EVO comes, then it can be my backup.

So has anyone received a DOA cloud from this guy?
Just curious if he'll replace a DOA unit or try to pull the no warranty BS.

I know he sent out 220v units to a few people, and they have to send them back to get proper ones, but I don't recall any DOA units?
 
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Seek

Seek

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Frederick McGuire said:
@Seek I don't know enough about the cloud internals to know if that's a good idea or not, but at that point, wouldn't it be easier to just get the cloud and use it as is?
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Yes, hovewever I would be a bit scared of using any "fake" vape. In this case I could make an exception because seriously - unless the bamboo is not broken I can't have any concern about the airpath.
Another point is the PHS. How can we know its programmed and calibrated right? With this price I believe they are just putting the parts together as fast as they can without any calibration, testing, QC or anything.
If I go into this, I'll probably try just powering that unit itself. If it turns out ok, then bamboo replacement is indedd not necessary as I only want it for few days/weeks before EVO gets here. And then maybe give it to some close friend if it still works.

My reason in replacing the bamboo was that the bamboo/heater is one whole part what can be wrong assembled there? Only the wires which I could check i think.

olivianewtonjohn said:
3000F rating

http://www.amazon.com/MEECOS-120-Furnace-Cement-Fireplace/dp/B000VZS0ZQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1385625302&sr=8-1&keywords=furnace cement

Unless I think of a something that would be a better candidate, this is what I am going with as a (hopefully) preventative step.
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Nice idea, but i think I am not going to do anything like this. Also if the material does not have the same thermal expansion coeficient as the ceraminc and boroglass it could do more damage than good.

Edit: Does anyone know how much this would actually cost if shipped to EU? I've heard somewhere that buying on ebay internationaly can cost a lot. I've not bought anything from ebay yet, so any experiences to share?
 
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Teedub

Teedub

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Do we really know if they are making them from scratch? (different parts, programs etc)
or Selling left over completed units?
Or assembling from the vxh spec parts leftover?

Ie, leftovers from before their deal with vxh went sour.

I presumed these were some sort of leftovers they wanted to offload to get some $$$, but I spose they may be planning on keeping this going permanently and manufacturing components specifically from scratch.

I still kinda lean towards leftovers of some kind.?

I would like to see internals of the genuine vs black market clouds.

olivianewtonjohn said:
OF gave me a great suggestion, furnace cement

3000F rating

http://www.amazon.com/MEECOS-120-Furnace-Cement-Fireplace/dp/B000VZS0ZQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1385625302&sr=8-1&keywords=furnace cement

Unless I think of a something that would be a better candidate, this is what I am going with as a (hopefully) preventative step.
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That looks promising nice find!
I was just thinking about the thermal expansion between the two different connection points and something slightly flexible would probably aid in preventing the problem. I saw someone post high temp auto silicone and that sort of approach has been lingering in my brain.
 
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Teedub,
lazylathe

lazylathe

Almost there...
I just bought a step up transformer to run the 220V version i was sent, cost was $30.
So total cost for a working Cloud(?) has been $150, which is not too bad for a back up unit.
The transformer should arrive next week sometime, so i should be in the Clouds for Xmas!
If the Evo arrives before then, i will be even happier!

I also have some other 220V equipment that i will now be able to use, so it is not too bad!
 
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daverus

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I believe that all these units being sold by this guy, are defective or most likely did not pass QC testing, that doesn't necessarily mean the units don't work.

Still trying to figure out the return of my 220v unit, but my unit looks brand spanking new, except some screws are loose and or not screwed in properly, and the metal HOT plates and the bamboo looks misaligned.

I'm pretty sure the unit works fine, (can't test it since its 220v) but def not resale-able if it were coming from vapexhale directly.

This would explain why some people have gotten DOA units, and others have complained about the HOT plates and other parts being misaligned.
 
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alltoreup

alltoreup

Damn you, party liquor
I got my pseudo cloud+ on Tuesday. DOA. Lights up red but never gets hot. Seller had good communication yesterday straightening it out( I was surprised). He is supposedly emailing me return labels to ship it back to - get this - the manufacturer. The one in Pennsylvania that is. They are going to fix my unit and return it working. We will see. I'll report what happens.
Couple of tidbits I got from my communication. He had 375 clouds to start with, 200 of them are international.
I'm the only vaporist of my friends so noone I know even has a vape, let alone a cloud, but from pics and vids I've seen, these are the real deal. Maybe just not QCed after they were assembled. Mine was on when it came, which makes me think they were turned on but not tested for heat up.
No ELBs BTW
And my heat plate is perfectly aligned. Looks great as a paper weight right now
 
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daverus

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let me know if you get that return label, he promised one to me too but still waiting.
 
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alltoreup

alltoreup

Damn you, party liquor
daverus said:
let me know if you get that return label, he promised one to me too but still waiting.
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When was he supposed to send them? I wasn't expecting anything until after the thanksgiving holiday. Basing this simply on him saying the shipping dept would send them to me. Let me know if you get yours as well. Thanks!
 
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Teedub

Teedub

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daverus said:
I believe that all these units being sold by this guy, are defective or most likely did not pass QC testing, that doesn't necessarily mean the units don't work.

Still trying to figure out the return of my 220v unit, but my unit looks brand spanking new, except some screws are loose and or not screwed in properly, and the metal HOT plates and the bamboo looks misaligned.

I'm pretty sure the unit works fine, (can't test it since its 220v) but def not resale-able if it were coming from vapexhale directly.

This would explain why some people have gotten DOA units, and others have complained about the HOT plates and other parts being misaligned.
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Perhaps but iirc all of those issues were also present with the original genuine clouds.
 
olivianewtonjohn

olivianewtonjohn

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alltoreup said:
I got my pseudo cloud+ on Tuesday. DOA. Lights up red but never gets hot. Seller had good communication yesterday straightening it out( I was surprised). He is supposedly emailing me return labels to ship it back to - get this - the manufacturer. The one in Pennsylvania that is. They are going to fix my unit and return it working. We will see. I'll report what happens.
Couple of tidbits I got from my communication. He had 375 clouds to start with, 200 of them are international.
I'm the only vaporist of my friends so noone I know even has a vape, let alone a cloud, but from pics and vids I've seen, these are the real deal. Maybe just not QCed after they were assembled. Mine was on when it came, which makes me think they were turned on but not tested for heat up.
No ELBs BTW
And my heat plate is perfectly aligned. Looks great as a paper weight right now
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Thats not true....He has 1000+, you can tell by inputting different amounts and adding too the cart (till you find the true # of stock)

Idk why he would lie about it
 
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max

max

Out to lunch
daverus said:
I believe that all these units being sold by this guy, are defective or most likely did not pass QC testing
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Believe what you want. The seller is the 'former contract manufacturer' for VXL and these units were assembled by the contractor from remaining parts inventory. They're obviously not all defective (although long term functionality remains a question) and nobody but the seller knows what, if any, QC has been done prior to shipping. It's certain though, that none of these units were completed and ready for sale when VXL was still doing business with them.

He has 1000+
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That's easy to say and easy to change. When it comes to this seller my attitude would be 'I'll believe it when I see it'.
 
Adobewan

Adobewan

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Sorry if I'm derailing(further) but IMO Vaporblunt really hit it out of the park with the Pinnacle Pro. Putting their excellent PNP Water Tool, normally $129, on sale for $70 was sweet, but their premium water tools, normally $230 on sale for the same $70 price, just rocks ridiculously hard(I just grabbed a Chandelier, didn't need it but "Holy Crap!", right?)!
Thanks Vaporblunt and thanks FC for the awesome heads-up!
 
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