coolbreeze

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The Wand with the SK insert is great. Brute is great with earlier caps. Fluxer Flite rules, best DV IH bar none. I've been using/loving IHs since the Lucid Customs Atlas but I still get better results with most tips by torching, unless conditions are too rough. IH is nice to have when the TV's on, for sure.
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Exactly this. The wand is quiet where the torch is noisy. Downside is minimal practice for my torch technique since I bought my dv and wand together. :shrug:
 
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The Wand with the SK insert is great. Brute is great with earlier caps. Fluxer Flite rules, best DV IH bar none. I've been using/loving IHs since the Lucid Customs Atlas but I still get better results with most tips by torching, unless conditions are too rough. IH is nice to have when the TV's on, for sure.
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Curious why you say the Brute is better for earlier caps? I bought a new cap and stem last year and it works the same as my old caps. As with most I always go a couple seconds after the click.

Edit: never heard of the Fluxer Flite, i’ll check it out.
 
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Curious why you say the Brute is better for earlier caps? I bought a new cap and stem last year and it works the same as my old caps. As with most I always go a couple seconds after the click.

Edit: never heard of the Fluxer Flite, i’ll check it out.
The Brute and the Lucid Customs are similar in that you need to count past the clicks with newer caps. As IHs were becoming more popular (there's discussion in the Fluxer thread) they reformulated the cap's metal to be more ferrous so they'd interact with induction fields better, requiring less battery drainage. IHs tuned for older caps heat newer caps too fast, necessitating the post-clicks counting (which can vary by cap and tip). I find it aggravating so I only use those two IHs with older caps. The Flite and Wand at the proper depth do much better--the DV's ready at the clicks.
 
The Brute and the Lucid Customs are similar in that you need to count past the clicks with newer caps. As IHs were becoming more popular (there's discussion in the Fluxer thread) they reformulated the cap's metal to be more ferrous so they'd interact with induction fields better, requiring less battery drainage. IHs tuned for older caps heat newer caps too fast, necessitating the post-clicks counting (which can vary by cap and tip). I find it aggravating so I only use those two with older caps. The Flite and Wand at the proper depth do much better--the DV's ready at the clicks.
Interesting, I haven’t found that to be the case. Even with the old caps and PSM I would usually go a couple seconds past the click. Maybe the caps are more consistent now…. i’ve had a few older ones that varied from each other.
I wish I liked the Wand, but it just sucks for me lol.
 
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Interesting, I haven’t found that to be the case. Even with the old caps and PSM I would usually go a couple seconds past the click. Maybe the caps are more consistent now…. i’ve had a few older ones that varied from each other.
I wish I liked the Wand, but it just sucks for me lol.
Watch the classifieds for a Flite. There was also a tiny desktop plugin heater he made called the Flix--I think only a round or two of those ever shipped--that had the same heater technology. The Flix and Flite have a standard setting, and also a pulse width modulation setting. The PWM pulses the induction field at adjustable rates to slow down heating to correct for any cap funniness. I really never need to use the PWM because the standard setting is tuned so well.
 

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I hate the insert and never use one, this leaves it open for different sized devices and the occasional dab cup.
Lol. I have a second one for that! ; ) I really got it because I thought my first one was crapping out but it really just seems to not like the Helix (and one other). But I did learn how to use it without the insert first; I got the insert to make it more brainless, I guess. At the time I was only using it for DVs.

Exactly this. The wand is quiet where the torch is noisy. Downside is minimal practice for my torch technique since I bought my dv and wand together. :shrug:
It's a great tool, no doubt. And I think most IH-only DVers are getting great results that they're happy with. But the torch brings a little more precision to adding more or less heat, adjusting for any cap induction issues, etc. Not absolutely necessary but once you find your comfort it adds some flexibility. It's a skill worth developing at your leisure, I feel, even if you're happy with your IH.
 

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most of my preference comes from a lack of torching skills, but I also detest refilling lighters! I'd much rather swap batteries once a day w/out a thought. The way I sip I do scores of heat-ups/reheats a day the torch becomes an annoyance rather than convenience.
especially the inevitable combustion
 
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most of my preference comes from a lack of torching skills, but I also detest refilling lighters! I'd much rather swap batteries once a day w/out a thought. The way I sip I do scores of heat-ups/reheats a day the torch becomes an annoyance rather than convenience.
especially the inevitable combustion
I'm kind of the opposite. I picked up torching quickly enough (there were no IHs then) that it was never really a problem, but I did improve a lot over time. When I got my Atlas I loved it and used it daily but never quit torching. Now I use the Wand once a day or so and usually forget to charge it until too late so I often end up waiting to use it, whereas refilling the torch I can do in a couple minutes. I carry the Flite when I go for a walk or hike and I use it maybe 60% of the time, mostly so I can keep walking while heating or sometimes because of the wind. That one I remember to charge as part of the whole preparation ritual of grinding and packing up whatever vapes I'm taking.

Edit: Haven't used the Atlas in awhile so I'm kind of getting reacquainted. It really needs to build a little heat to work well so it's a whispy first hit and then nice production at a slightly lower temp than I'm used to with the Wand. Even with a known older cap it heats a little faster to the clicks than what's ideal. So, the M18's not quite the cloud machine I expect with the torch or wand but the flavor's better. Adds a couple cycles to the session.
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the wand batts get cycled through every day, always have a pair of 18650s on tap (great deal r n @ batterystore), have the same can of premium gas I bought 4 years ago:shrug:
 

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the wand batts get cycled through every day, always have a pair of 18650s on tap (great deal r n @ batterystore), have the same can of premium gas I bought 4 years ago:shrug:
Somehow I can manage that fine with the batts for my portables but it never occurred to me to use it for the wand's, those I've always charged in the wand itself. I need a bigger charger! ; )
 
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