youngfart420
Member
How about u get some friends? then hanging on to every post LOL
Dynavap VapCap
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Kalessin
Well-Known Member
If it's that important why did you never ask about it when you were making your posts about thinking about buying one? It's pretty well documented that the Vapcaps in general, and especially the M's are fairly restricted. It makes me feel like you must not have done much research before buying. I'd still give it a fair shot when it arrives though, I am not very fond of restricted draws either but it doesn't bother me much on the Vapcap compared to some others
shredder
Well-Known Member
You can lessen the M's draw restriction fairly easy with a file and a few minutes. (but really it's not THAT bad) Just file a slight groove where the threads end on the business end of the tip. That opens it up to like what the ti tips are. More air = less restriction. I've done it on 3 M's so far and it works well. You can get more details and more tips on all the dynavaps in the best of thread.
Summer
Long Island, NY
@youngfart420, give it a chance. Yes, you can modify the tip by filing 3 channels on the ends. See one below. There are more pics within this thread. Also, if you wind up liking the device, then go for a titanium tip as I found that the ti tip on the M really opens up the air flow. Order during their 20% off Black Friday sale. Truth be told, had you waiting for the BF sale, you would have had 3 weeks to research what you wanted or even if you wanted it. But since you were gung ho on ordering now, roll with it & give it a chance. You probably won't have any problems selling it if you don't like it. In the interim, read the Best of VapCap thread ( http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/best-of-dynavap-vapcap.24345/ ) for great tips on using the vc as well as this thread. Start in the middle of this thread & read forward.
Edited to add: Curious, what don't you like about their shipping system? Don't know what you mean by stamping?
Edited to add: Curious, what don't you like about their shipping system? Don't know what you mean by stamping?
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Summer
Long Island, NY
sorry to derail for a second but congrats Summer. your last post was post 420
Thanks, mm! So how come you didn't Like it.
mmenzie
My friends call me "Menz"
to tell you the truth..... too stoned to remember there is a "like" button even when i am not on facebookThanks, mm! So how come you didn't Like it.
mucsusn
60 going on 20
Thanks for your keen insight
Try to wide the perspective about "draw resistance /restriction ".
Maybe it should not be considered as one "of the keys on which vap you buy ",
but as a basic -if not crucial- characteristic of a vape's operation.
There is this kind of vapes ,that a high draw restriction is mandatory to the vape's extracting efficiency.Thing is that high restriction must be "dealed" with a rather drastic change on inhalation-toking-techniques involved .
Most of times the user has to switch from lung pulls to mouth pulls.
Still ,despite of this "pain" ,the "gain" is high extraction efficiency ,due to the lower speed of
hot air "attacking" the load.Lower speed means lower temperature decrease ratio and greater time in contact with the load,thus better extraction conditions.
Personally I think that there's a big misunderstanding going on with "draw restriction" and
portable vaporising devices.
Portable means small size amongst others.
Thus the hot air will have less distance to travel through the load (due to restricted chamber size and shape ) ,thus spend less time in contact with the herb= less convection,
thus the extraction -due to convection-will suffer by design ,no matter what.
The bigger the size of the portable and/or the more "conductive" the extraction method ,the more freedom is given to the designer to overcome this issue or rather the issues involved with
problematic convection due to small size.
But draw restriction can do magic here .
So,I will leave the rest of the thinking to you.
My guess is that soon or later you will come to realise
that high draw restriction is a key factor into reducing the size of a portable vaporiser device
while still maintaining a high extraction efficiency.
And there's not any such tiny vaporiser device ,other than the VapCap.
Let alone it's extraction efficiency.Second to none.
Maybe a small alteration on the toking habbits can be the magic detail.
Free yourself from yourself.
Freedom awaits ,open the gates .
Open your mind ,freedom's a state.
Cheers.
Maybe it should not be considered as one "of the keys on which vap you buy ",
but as a basic -if not crucial- characteristic of a vape's operation.
There is this kind of vapes ,that a high draw restriction is mandatory to the vape's extracting efficiency.Thing is that high restriction must be "dealed" with a rather drastic change on inhalation-toking-techniques involved .
Most of times the user has to switch from lung pulls to mouth pulls.
Still ,despite of this "pain" ,the "gain" is high extraction efficiency ,due to the lower speed of
hot air "attacking" the load.Lower speed means lower temperature decrease ratio and greater time in contact with the load,thus better extraction conditions.
Personally I think that there's a big misunderstanding going on with "draw restriction" and
portable vaporising devices.
Portable means small size amongst others.
Thus the hot air will have less distance to travel through the load (due to restricted chamber size and shape ) ,thus spend less time in contact with the herb= less convection,
thus the extraction -due to convection-will suffer by design ,no matter what.
The bigger the size of the portable and/or the more "conductive" the extraction method ,the more freedom is given to the designer to overcome this issue or rather the issues involved with
problematic convection due to small size.
But draw restriction can do magic here .
So,I will leave the rest of the thinking to you.
My guess is that soon or later you will come to realise
that high draw restriction is a key factor into reducing the size of a portable vaporiser device
while still maintaining a high extraction efficiency.
And there's not any such tiny vaporiser device ,other than the VapCap.
Let alone it's extraction efficiency.Second to none.
Maybe a small alteration on the toking habbits can be the magic detail.
Free yourself from yourself.
Freedom awaits ,open the gates .
Open your mind ,freedom's a state.
Cheers.
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gimmiemore
Well-Known Member
Isn't the carb on the M there to allow you to control the air restriction?
Or are you guys talking about something else?
Had my M for about a week now so I'm no expert, but never had an issue with draw resistance "playing" with the carb.
Or are you guys talking about something else?
Had my M for about a week now so I'm no expert, but never had an issue with draw resistance "playing" with the carb.
I don't really understand the draw restriction issues/questions...
I mostly leave my carb hole alone.. as in fully open.. I find the hits are still strong and lovely and draw restriction is very open, flowing and easy... On both M and Ti tips... Or you can use the carb to get more restricted draws..?
I mostly leave my carb hole alone.. as in fully open.. I find the hits are still strong and lovely and draw restriction is very open, flowing and easy... On both M and Ti tips... Or you can use the carb to get more restricted draws..?
JK
Nope,the carb is not there to allow you to control the air restriction.
The carb is there to allow you to adjust whether you will inhale pure vapor (carb fully closed )
or you will allow some cool air to blend in at a certain ratio ( carb partially to fully open ).
Still the maximum extraction & vapor production is achieved by slow and smooth tokes (mouth pulls )
with the carb fully closed.
And then if someone tries to inhale with lung pulls ,it will feel like trying to suck a golf ball
through a milkshake straw ,as stated plenty of times before.
If you open the carb ,even slightly ,the vapor now is "drawn" to the mix not directly ,but
due to Venturi effect taking place.While the extraction itself maybe increased somewhat (slow hot air ) ,
the volume of vapor "
"drawn" into the mix is relatively low and thus the final produced blend is quite dilute vapor into cool air. Smooth but not dense.OR can be denser ,but then requires prolonged and really slow inhaling.And then probably will cause some coughing too.Hot vapor directly into the lungs ....
There are some people who close ,with one way or another, the carb to their M,
as they feel and think that they do not need the whole thing.
It's the same with OMNI folks who turn all the way the condenser in and leave that adjustment as is.
Or with others who go totally carbless .
Do not underestimate those seemingly simple devices.
The VapCaps offer a diverse range of use techniques ,which differ also at their final result/outcome.
Small ,non electronic devices .Simple enough ?
Not quite .
You have your M for a week by now...
Give it another week or so .
And then another week .
And another !
And when you finally think that it's the time that you 've discovered
everything about your M : ....Give it one more week .
Cheers.
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gimmiemore
Well-Known Member
Interesting stuff.
I might try filing 3 grooves like someone mentioned, but i'll leave that for later, right now I'm still trying things out.
I Really want a single torch lighter, I feel like the triple jet (the only jet lighter I have) really toasts the chamber.
I ordered parts for a IH based on pipes design and another IH I saw on the net.
haha im just rambling now
I might try filing 3 grooves like someone mentioned, but i'll leave that for later, right now I'm still trying things out.
I Really want a single torch lighter, I feel like the triple jet (the only jet lighter I have) really toasts the chamber.
I ordered parts for a IH based on pipes design and another IH I saw on the net.
haha im just rambling now
stark1
Lonesome Planet
Nope,the carb is not there to allow you to control the air restriction.
The carb is there to allow you to adjust whether you will inhale pure vapor (carb fully closed )
or you will allow some cool air to blend in at a certain ratio ( carb partially to fully open ).
Still the maximum extraction & vapor production is achieved by slow and smooth tokes (mouth pulls )
with the carb fully closed.
And then if someone tries to inhale with lung pulls ,it will feel like trying to suck a golf ball
through a milkshake straw ,as stated plenty of times before.
If you open the carb ,even slightly ,the vapor now is "drawn" to the mix not directly ,but
due to Venturi effect taking place.While the extraction itself maybe increased somewhat (slow hot air ) ,
the volume of vapor "
"drawn" into the mix is relatively low and thus the final produced blend is quite dilute vapor into cool air. Smooth but not dense.OR can be denser ,but then requires prolonged and really slow inhaling.And then probably will cause some coughing too.Hot vapor directly into the lungs ....
There are some people who close ,with one way or another, the carb to their M,
as they feel and think that they do not need the whole thing.
It's the same with OMNI folks who turn all the way the condenser in and leave that adjustment as is.
Or with others who go totally carbless .
Do not underestimate those seemingly simple devices.
The VapCaps offer a diverse range of use techniques ,which differ also at their final result/outcome.
Small ,non electronic devices .Simple enough ?
Not quite .
You have your M for a week by now...
Give it another week or so .
And then another week .
And another !
And when you finally think that it's the time that you 've discovered
everything about your M : ....Give it one more week .
Cheers.
Somehow, it seems like being back in my Thermo-godammics class, Professor @stardustsailor;
I may just supernovae, sail the galactic fantastic!
Wait up, Odysseus!
Now, wares my VapCap M.
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Greeks have war flowing into their blood !
When we gather around a table and after a good canna-feast then the VapCaps become
weapons of mass destruction.
Two teams .
The "Ketchups" and the "Mustards" .
Each has it's own "totem" / "flag" .
Easy to understand that they are a bottle of ketcup and mustard respectively.
Plates ,tablecloth ,spoons,forks ,knives ,glasses and other are the territorial details.
Maybe used as natural covers or obstacles.
Pop-corn is infantry ,potato chips are the tanks .
Each team uses their VapCaps as blow-guns
(*no load -if loose CCD then removed - cap on ,of course - 1,5 meters minimum shot distance )
and with the deadly caps as projectiles lots of pop -corns and chips die and being blown up at the battlefield ( table ).
Each team takes turn. First attack with the Vap caps and then move the soldiers and /or tanks.
If one soldier of the enemy was killed (cap displacing the pop corn ) then one soldier is moved by a VC
distance ( ~ 60 mm / ~ 2,5 " ) .
Same goes with tanks (potato chips) if one enemy tank is blown up (potato chip cracked ) then the
team moves one of their tanks a VC towards the enemy's totem.
The first team to touch the enemy's totem or eliminate all the soldiers and tanks of the opponent
is winner.
40+ years old stoners,getting high ...err... VapCap Warriors ,I meant !
When we gather around a table and after a good canna-feast then the VapCaps become
weapons of mass destruction.
Two teams .
The "Ketchups" and the "Mustards" .
Each has it's own "totem" / "flag" .
Easy to understand that they are a bottle of ketcup and mustard respectively.
Plates ,tablecloth ,spoons,forks ,knives ,glasses and other are the territorial details.
Maybe used as natural covers or obstacles.
Pop-corn is infantry ,potato chips are the tanks .
Each team uses their VapCaps as blow-guns
(*no load -if loose CCD then removed - cap on ,of course - 1,5 meters minimum shot distance )
and with the deadly caps as projectiles lots of pop -corns and chips die and being blown up at the battlefield ( table ).
Each team takes turn. First attack with the Vap caps and then move the soldiers and /or tanks.
If one soldier of the enemy was killed (cap displacing the pop corn ) then one soldier is moved by a VC
distance ( ~ 60 mm / ~ 2,5 " ) .
Same goes with tanks (potato chips) if one enemy tank is blown up (potato chip cracked ) then the
team moves one of their tanks a VC towards the enemy's totem.
The first team to touch the enemy's totem or eliminate all the soldiers and tanks of the opponent
is winner.
40+ years old stoners,getting high ...err... VapCap Warriors ,I meant !
Dynalowrider
Well-Known Member
I have tried to stay out of this "drive by troll", but everyone seems to miss the point. Mouth-pulls and lung pulls both create a vacuum in the chamber. The carb controls the vacuum.
Boiling point is determined by atmospheric pressure, (AP). Combustion point, (CP), is not. It's controlled by oxygen. No oxygen, no combustion. If you bring herb to the edge of combustion, and lower the AP the vapor will boil off. The lower the AP the more it boils. (If you do not believe me, boil water at sea level, and again at the top of Pikes Peak.)
My point, draw restriction is necessary. You can't fight mother nature. Doc
Boiling point is determined by atmospheric pressure, (AP). Combustion point, (CP), is not. It's controlled by oxygen. No oxygen, no combustion. If you bring herb to the edge of combustion, and lower the AP the vapor will boil off. The lower the AP the more it boils. (If you do not believe me, boil water at sea level, and again at the top of Pikes Peak.)
My point, draw restriction is necessary. You can't fight mother nature. Doc
passenger
is this thing on?
Just posted this in the Vapman thread, but thought it is ok here as well... just wondering:
Who of you have a Vapcap and a Vapman? Which do you enjoy more?
For me both are outstanding. I enjoy the Vapcaps on a water piece more than my Vapmans - for finer grind the Vapman rocks. The Vapman seems to be softer to my throat, is a tad more efficient but needs more love than the Vapcap. I'm really happy with both. How is it for you? For a former smoker a butane driven vape seems ideal. Both brands are perfection. Love that. ...also, maybe the greatest communities here on FC, which makes it a kinda cosy spot in the interweb. Peace!
Who of you have a Vapcap and a Vapman? Which do you enjoy more?
For me both are outstanding. I enjoy the Vapcaps on a water piece more than my Vapmans - for finer grind the Vapman rocks. The Vapman seems to be softer to my throat, is a tad more efficient but needs more love than the Vapcap. I'm really happy with both. How is it for you? For a former smoker a butane driven vape seems ideal. Both brands are perfection. Love that. ...also, maybe the greatest communities here on FC, which makes it a kinda cosy spot in the interweb. Peace!
Hogni
Honi soit qui mal y pense
Take your time and finally it will click if reheating of your car lighter should work very fast. But you need time and just the flat top of the cap (where the bi metall "clicker directely sits) will react. You don't have heat at the right points for properly heating and so it doesn't make real sense. But give it a try if you want.
M mod video.
Use the grooves to get the correct position, file at a slight angle to create a small scallop in the lip of the bowl.
Once you have this scallop change the angle and it will allow more material to be removed.
I'm currently using a stem that I made for my 1st and 2nd gen tips. It has a 0.5mm carb which, due to the Venturi effect, allows a nice drop in pressure behind the screen.
Which in turn makes for easier draws with thick vapor production
Use the grooves to get the correct position, file at a slight angle to create a small scallop in the lip of the bowl.
Once you have this scallop change the angle and it will allow more material to be removed.
Which in turn makes for easier draws with thick vapor production
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hinglemccringleberry
Well-Known Member
mourningbell said:
I use a disc of organic cotton between the tip and the body, covering the condenser entrance. Not only is this far quicker and easier to change out than a hemp or cotton filter / CCD screen sandwich, but this filter location doesnt see any direct heat from the flame like the CCD sandwich does, eliminating the potential for heat to cause any breakdown or particulate creation that would wind up traveling down the tube and into your lungs. I routinely inspect the condenser tube and with this filter in place it stays squeaky clean and I can change it out in a jiffy.
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LabPong
Well-Known Member
Good way to use the Hemp/Cotton..... I could not imagine using it in the cap for your stated reasons.