Dynavap VapCap

[Ricardo]

So, I've been pretty much ignoring the 7-fin debate - I have an M and an Omni and they both work great, slightly different but both give super results with a medium fine grind and a bit of practice. But it turns out that my Ti Tip does indeed have 7 fins and is "right-rifled" by the looks of it - so I'm well pleased
Also, I don't really get the appeal of lining up 3 or 4 pre-loaded tips + caps to swap in and out of the VapCaps - the wear & tear seems unnecessary to me, given how easy it is to dump and reload....unless people are switching between herb, hash, shatter, concentrates....I guess that would make sense.
Not judging, just not understanding some of the rationale . Anyway, it's great that George listens and responds and I hope everyone gets the tips they desire and deserve - Happy VapCapping to one and all

 

[phattpiggie]

Performance wise I think the difference in mass between gen 4 and 5 is only going to slightly change the vapor production.
Ti to SS is a different matter.

More fins should encourage quicker cool down times due to the extra surface area.

The 5 fin tips, to me, look better when a cutter with a radius has been used, the LHS M tip has rounded bottoms in the grooves and looks much neater.

I personally find the 7 fin tips to be more pleasing to the eye, a finished product.

 

[stark1]

While not OCD, I am a bit techy by the unnecessary cuts in the fins, takes away from the aesthetics of a perfectly crafted work.

Seems the spirals are cut first, then the fins are turned; if the fins are turned first, it would be less likely
that they would be sliced into when the spirals are formed.

Alternatively, spirals could be terminated/ programmed before they intrude into the fin area.

It would make the tips perfect, instead of looking like an oh-oh, mistake.

The fin area would be whole, thus making the entire tip perfect.

Just my tip, hope it doesn’t tip anyone over....., a “finished product”. Eye candy.

 

[phattpiggie]

@stark1 I think the cut in the fins is to allow for a bit of airflow under the cap.

If it turns out to be critical to have this small gap perhaps the first or all the fins could be gnats smaller diameter this would keep good flow and get rid of the 'oops' look.
I'm talking such a tiny amount that it wouldn't be noticeable by eye, this diameter reduction could well turn out to be unnecessary.

As you say it's just a change in the CNC code so shouldn't be difficult to achieve perfection.

 

[stark1]

PP, the cap should terminate before the end of the spirals for air to flow in, seems the cap is now covering
the first couple of fins (thus cutting off the air, and necessitating some blue-faced puffing).

No need to emasculate the fine fins....

 

[stardustsailor]

@stark1 I think the cut in the fins is to allow for a bit of airflow under the cap.

If it turns out to be critical to have this small gap perhaps the first or all the fins could be gnats smaller diameter this would keep good flow and get rid of the 'oops' look.
I'm talking such a tiny amount that it wouldn't be noticeable by eye, this diameter reduction could well turn out to be unnecessary.

As you say it's just a change in the CNC code so shouldn't be difficult to achieve perfection.

Air has to start it's spiral path ,around the tip,towards the load ,
from the fin(s) that already covered by the cap alright .
This way the incoming air gets pre-heated and the vapor gets cooled ,at the same time ,
by that tiny -but critical- heat exchange .

 

[stark1]

If the air is restricted, the air is restricted.

No matter how hard you suck/draw.....


(A redesign tweak would remedy all this. & look “professional”)

 

[Carlos8400]

I'm not sure I understand what people don't like about the new tip. I have only had one for a short while but I haven't noticed anything wrong or any downside to the lower mass compared to the gen4 tip. Is it about holding heat? Is it the way it looks?

Nothing scientific about it, but to me it feels like both gen 4 and 5 take a similar time to reach hot click, but gen 5 takes longer to cool down click.

With my gen 4 tip, i can take a single draw that lasts from click to click and go straight to re heat.

With the gen 5, i cannot draw long enough to reach cool down click in a single draw, but cannot take a second draw before heating it again, as although it hasn't clicked it isn't warm enough to produce vapor.
I have tried different caps, results stay the same.
To me it's annoying as it gives me more chances to combust and takes more time.

I know that the lower mass means it should cool faster, but could the fact that it has less surface area make up for the mass difference and actually give it a longer cooldown?

 

[Ricardo]

I'm not an engineer but I can see that quite a few of you lot come from that background Me, I'm just delighted to have found a super efficient vaporizer that never lets me down (after the initial learning curve). I'm not going to post a link here, but a little google searching throws up the original VapCap patent applications, together with technical descriptions, drawings etc., all outlined in technical legalese - some might find it interesting. I'm just happy to place my faith in the DynaVap team and know that I already have a couple of vapes that will last me a lifetime

 

[stark1]

Works for me too.

Let it roll. Let it roll.

Aesthetics, however, is pleasing to the heart, and aye, the eyes.

 

[mucsusn]

I have 1 gen 3 tip, 8 gen 4’s and 6 gen 5’s. I find the gen 5 to be preferable for my heating and usage style, although the differences don’t feel significant.

Currently, my favorite carry configuration is a SS Omni condenser with a new gen Ti body and a gen 5 tip. But truly, at the end of the day, they all just work. Quite awesomely and efficiently, IMHO.

If anyone is interested in a stateside direct swap (my gen 4 for your gen 5), hit me up with a PM

 

[stark1]

It’s all good; we all love all VapCaps. Tips, included.

 

[sag]

I have done more research and have to report that I enjoy all my tips on the vc's. I do think a strong point in the newer tips is that they do nugs better. My previous tests were using my house grind. When I tested the pinch method, I found the the new tip extracts more evenly than the older tips. All is good in vc land.

 

[kushkush]

It’s all good; we all love all VapCaps. Tips, included.

That’s true. We all LOVE our vapcaps, and for good reason! No batteries and the tiny profile mean everything to me, making using all my other vaporizers well...moot? That may not quite be the right word, but what I mean is...the vapcap simply meets all my needs for vaping without any of the fuss, and that’s an understatement.

I believe the intricate design of the whole vapcap including the Tip and the Clicks insures induction and works to avoid combustion. But...I’ll never believe that the design of the tip has anything whatsoever to do with ‘cooling’ the vapor (except for preventing combustion) regarding harshness as the vapor path is just too small to make a discernable difference. The difference one gets in getting a less-harsh cooler vape is in the technique used, such as the one @Squiby uses, or in feathering the carb hole or setting it to wide open, in sipping, or in using a bubbler such as the Glass Lung with the long whip.

 

[stark1]

On the subject of carrying VapCaps

For a while now, a Leatherman belt case has served me well as EDC.

Ignoring Moose’s hair, it holds a VapCap in a doob tube.Its associated VH. And a stash doob.

Have VapCap. Will travel. Moose (my dawg), excluded.

 

[V-apE]

Holy Crap! I really hope i don't run out of gas....... i don't give a feck abouth the car but my VC's?

 

[pxl_jockey]

Ok, you guys are on drugs...

This made me laugh so hard!

To all Fin lovers out there:
I am a multi gererational fin and tip lover
all fins are good fin they all work well
some fins are better than other fins? or is it just me?
pick a fin and love it
I wish I could tell you which fin to love
Maybe ask someone from Finland
Really come on now.... Can I love one fin more than another ?
Like my kids I love them all for alot of different reasons
But my baby.......she the.........................................

^This! No reason there needs to be a best. I never thought a debate was occurring. I can believe that some with multigenerational tip knowledge think there are detectable differences AND others, with the same level experience, who say it's minimal if at all. I personally don't expect it'll be so different, but I am tickled to have the opportunity to own one. The thing I am SUPER excited about is the part where George said it will be similar to the 4th gen, but will be tweaked to reflect what they have learned since. It will really be its own thing; something done for the fans sure, but worthy of a marker on the VapCap timeline? Yes, for me.

I got a @phattpiggie stem headed south my way sometime in the new year and I think such a special stem would be best set-off with a 4.5 Special Edition 7-fin? I went for the Bocote StashXL rather than getting an extra tip & cap for it during the BF Madness, so yay for my indulgence!

@stark1 & @sag You guys have the right attitude! Let's enjoy all of them!
@mucsusn That, my good sir, is a metric shit-tonne of tips! Do they all have bodies and so forth? And when did you discover VCs and decide to collect them? Anybody else strutting around with that many VCs & accompanying tips, do tell? I wanna say @Squiby has got 2 or 3, doesn't she? IIRC, pictures of some of the larger collections have been posted in this megathread but I think they should have a place within the Best-Of. Think of it as a hall of fame, a collectors gallery, or the freak show tent...

@stark1 what is "associated VH"? I'm kinda slow right now...

 

[cybrguy]

For me I really don't care much what the tip looks like, but I certainly care about performance. I'm just not convinced that the difference between gen4 and 5 is enough to throw another $40 at another tip. Call me cheap.

If I WERE to throw another $40 at DV soon, that would much more likely be for a DS for my new Omni XL. Now THAT (I have convinced myself) I NEED.

I am not dissing a gen4+ (will it be gen6?) at all, I just don't think I NEED one. Maybe after @Stu tests it out I'll be sorry I didn't get one, but if it actually turns out to be better I imagine George will change his mind about it being a one off...

I wouldn't mind hearing what George his own self thinks about the tiptriversy, but as I suggested earlier its possible that some of our users might be in a better place to accurately assess performance than even George.

 

[mucsusn]

@mucsusn That, my good sir, is a metric shit-tonne of tips! Do they all have bodies and so forth? And when did you discover VCs and decide to collect them?

A metric shit-tonne..........I like that. I haven't counted for a while, just inventoried the tips this morning when I read the gen 4/5 comments. Although I didn't set out to collect vapes, I sort of went that direction by nature and impulse. I'm a lifelong professional musician, and I have several friends who are world class luthiers......as such I learned a lot about different wood species from them and fell in love with the aesthetics of wood over the years. Turns out these botique vapes currently on the market scratch that itch much more cheaply that hand made musical instruments. Since I'm a keyboard player and the modern practice of my craft includes more technology than artful instruments, I turned to collecting logs, VC's and a few battery powered convection vapes. Very pleasing, and the practically of vaping helped me justify the costs, both with material savings and the fact that the devices get used regularly.

I first discovered VC's in early December of last year. The pace will slow now, but I'm sure that I'll grab the occasional part or accessory, along with any special releases (like the SBM). And there will definitely be more @phattpiggie stems in my future, and I'm anticipating getting some @Winegums and @stardustsailor functional art as well. Again, the juxtaposition of art, beauty and functionality are too hard for me to resist!

So happy capping to all, and here's a couple of pics that I've previously posted to show the depth of my addiction......

The two Maple Milaanas on the flanks in the above photo have been traded to @Bravesst for this beauty.....

So I'm mostly done with the core of the collection, but a few other things will surely come along. I'm fairly early on the pre-order list for a Splinter, and also on the second wave list for one of Dan Morrison's new convection creations. Fuck Combustion!

 

[cybrguy]

Wow. Impressive. Party is at @mucsusn 's place.

That really is an outstanding collection and very artful artistic. That @Bravesst custom Milaana is incredible. You tickle my lust button. (Not you, actually but your stuff. Maybe you, who knows... )

 

[pxl_jockey]

@cybrguy Is it really a tipstriversy though? IDK. FWIW, I do agree that some members here could certainly be on an expert panel, given the sheer number of hours they've spent running tests and collecting data, putting VapCaps through extreme conditions in every use-case imaginable. For SCIENCE! I also get where you're coming from as far as throwing money at DV, I really do. But I look at your sig, and friend you're much further along your vape-journey than I am. Like waaaaay further along. That's why I'm always interested in and value what everybody thinks because I'm like a babe in the woods here.

@mucsusn Woah, that's a serious wood porn spread you have! I gotta run my kids now but we'll revisit all of this very soon. Thanks for sharing the story of your journey, so very cool!

 

[cybrguy]

@cybrguy Is it really a tipstriversy though?

Just to be clear I don't use that expression to portray any negativity. Curiosity is a healthy and good thing as are varied opinions and investigation. I tend to think the biggest dif between the two tips is how they look, but investigating how they may perform differently is likely a good thing. Producing reproducible results might be difficult, but opinions derived from experience are also helpful, even if not "scientific".

And again, there may actually be something in this for George, above this opportunity to sell a bunch of tips he might otherwise not have sold. He might learn something about performance, and use it for the next tip.

 

[phattpiggie]

Wood porn on a school night and a bit of acrylic for the plastic pervs.

Lava Explosion No36, top sanded down with 2400 grit wet and dry and polished on the bottom.

I'm struggling to get some pictures which really show off the depth in this acrylic.
The stem is Blackwood with aluminium and a 4mm accent of Classic Green Conway Stewart, this stem went together really well and the grain pattern flows.

 

[Squiby]

Thought of @Squiby doing a 350-acre grid search for her tree, and I wondered is it more difficult with a torch lighter when temperatures are below freezing and you've got some elevation? Anyone with the experience/knowledge can pipe up. I

In windy conditions, heating requires a robust lighter for sure since the wind cools your cap and works against your flame.

However, yesterday was calm and mild, maybe -2° Celsius. It was a fantastic hike. The tree we took was actually only about a ten minute walk into the woods but we carried on for a few hours before coming back and cutting it down. So dragging it back to the truck was easy and quick. It was such a beautiful day. I love hiking through the woods in the winter. The landscape is more visible than in the summer. The scent of pines is in the crisp cool air. It's like another world. Our forest is mixed with a good variety of trees; white pine, spruce, cedar, juniper, yew, maple, birch, oak, ironwood, Apple, cherry, ash etc.

Because it was a calm day I was able to heat my Vapcap easily with a single jet lighter. Jamaican Dream was the strain of the day. A happy light sativa hybrid.

To all Fin lovers out there:
I am a multi gererational fin and tip lover
all fins are good fin they all work well

My suggestion that _I_ haven't seen much difference in performance between gen4 and 5 is just 1 data point.

I have all the tips and I love them all. My favorite is the 4th gen 7 fin, but I can't really tell the difference between the 4th and the 5th gen in performance. I don't suck up my herb so I don't ever get anything stuck between the closely spaced 7 fin models.

The 4th and 5th gen in house manufactured tips are clearly superior to the earlier contracted tips in a similar way the stainless steel M tip compares to the titanium tip. But I use them all and love them all.

I wanna say @Squiby has got 2 or 3, doesn't she?

I must admit that I am embarrassed to say that I have a lot of Vapcaps. The Ms have all been gifted out except for one original and one SB. The OG has been gifted as well. I can't really say how many I have but I do know that there are three by my bedside, one for herb and two for concentrates dedicated to sativa and indica. Then there are a few in the garage. A few in the living room. Then there's my hiking Vapcap and the one that sits by my tub.

Oh my, I think I may have a slight problem...

And the problem is that I see no clear end in sight.

And...OMG!!! Did you see those stunning @phattpiggie stems above??? Someone help me please!!!

 

[nickdanger]

I must admit that I am embarrassed to say that I have a lot of Vapcaps. The Ms have all been gifted out except for one original and one SB. The OG has been gifted as well. I can't really say how many I have but I do know that there are three by my bedside, one for herb and two for concentrates dedicated to sativa and indica. Then there are a few in the garage. A few in the living room. Then there's my hiking Vapcap and the one that sits by my tub.

Oh my, I think I may have a slight problem...

And the problem is that I see no clear end in sight.

And...OMG!!! Did you see those stunning @phattpiggie stems above??? Someone help me please!!!

Hi, I'm nickdanger, and I have a VC addiction...

I have quite a few myself, and a couple on the way from @stardustsailor and one from @Winegums to add to my collection. I just put in my request for a couple of the 7-fin special run also, as I'm sure this is not the end of the purchases. I ordered two extra tips and caps for the new stems on the BF sale.

I have a couple of friends I have gifted the M's to, who just laugh at my addiction...