Dynavap VapCap

[paytonpenn]

I understand the torch is the best option for now. If someone could invent an electric lighter that heated it up to temp at at least a reasonable rate, preferably equally as fast or faster than the torch, it would take this vape to another level. Would be amazing to vape from something the size of a cigarette in silence. Doesn't seem like it would be too hard to invent...of course I don't know. Hopefully, someone will take on the challenge.

The coil on the e-lighter/cig atomizer should be vertical for us to just sit the VapCap in. When I get mine I will make a build that is like that and try.

 

[IAmKrazy2]

I understand the torch is the best option for now. If someone could invent an electric lighter that heated it up to temp at at least a reasonable rate, preferably equally as fast or faster than the torch, it would take this vape to another level. Would be amazing to vape from something the size of a cigarette in silence. Doesn't seem like it would be too hard to invent...of course I don't know. Hopefully, someone will take on the challenge.

Definitely could be cool and a smidge more stealth but i just love the torch ritual so much. The ritual is the reason i am holding out for the PyroVap over all these e cig options available these days. I enjoy the lighting task and the whole process and it has such a smoking regiment to it.

Edit. I would think some of these VC'S that go out next week will be to forum members. Keep an eye out for a very unique envelope in the mail if you were a "i want it quicker" supporters.

 

[vaporonly]

I sold my Solo or i would give it a try for fun. That said a torch is smaller, much much faster, and the fuel is probably less draining than the battery of a solo or air. Or more loads until more fuel/charge is needed.

The electric lighter could be a cool idea, but i would prefer any alternative heating source to be instant.

I mentioned i used my grill already. When used in a corner of the grate and spun around properly it has really good exteaction. So does the stove too. But, the triple torch is best, and as long as i have one with me, it will certainly be my top choice.

I believe the triple torch George currently has on his website has a keychain attachment. Something about that i love.

Have you tried the daisy torch? Most of the time I prefer that to the triple.

For people wondering about electric vs butane. it's hard to match the amount of energy contained in butane with our current battery technology. No doubt you could rig up something battery powered that will work with vapcap, which given the temp click will allow for many many heat sources. There will always be a trade off between the time to takes to reach temp and the size and expense of the battery/heater core unit in addition to how long said battery lasts.

I do think the unique airpath in the vapcap is something that should be explored in a battery powered vape,

but for now our brainstorming hopefully won't distract the vapcap team too much

 

[KeroZen]

@IAmKrazy2 : Fun that after all this time you still need a ritual to remember your combustion days... I'm glad mine are over and the preparation and consumption ritual now feel to me like a real chore when I look back.

@vaporonly : You should definitely have a look at the Zion. Desktop power in a portable package, near instant (5 seconds from cold with mine) pure convection vapor... It's everything you asked for and more!

PS: I ordered a VapCap mostly as a backup or special occasions device, as I don't see myself using it daily. Where I live people would tell me I'm a crack head if I used it in public...

 

[bounce5]

Have you tried the daisy torch? Most of the time I prefer that to the triple.

For people wondering about electric vs butane. it's hard to match the amount of energy contained in butane with our current battery technology. No doubt you could rig up something battery powered that will work with vapcap, which given the temp click will allow for many many heat sources. There will always be a trade off between the time to takes to reach temp and the size and expense of the battery/heater core unit.

I do think the unique airpath in the vapcap is something that should be explored in a battery powered vape.

Good info to consider. For stealth purposes there will always be a market for a silent heating option. Even if not as fast, I would still be interested. Also a plugin electric option might be easier to reach the speed and energy of butane power.

 

[IAmKrazy2]

@KeroZen

It is not that i need it, just that i rather enjoy it. Expecially when outside, or when around cigarette smokers. My brother is basically my best buddy, and is a heavy cig smoker.

I have been almost exclusively been vaping my herb for 10 years, but have smoked cigarettes off and on in this time period. I quit fully almost two years ago, and want a Pyro for the bar, bonfires, yard work, garage, ect.

 

[vaporonly]

@IAmKrazy2 : Fun that after all this time you still need a ritual to remember your combustion days... I'm glad mine are over and the preparation and consumption ritual now feel to me like a real chore when I look back.

@vaporonly : You should definitely have a look at the Zion. Desktop power in a portable package, near instant (5 seconds from cold with mine) pure convection vapor... It's everything you asked for and more!

PS: I ordered a VapCap mostly as a backup or special occasions device, as I don't see myself using it daily. Where I live people would tell me I'm a crack head if I used it in public...

oh it's my radar (vas is a bitch) but please understand my thoughts above on butane vs electric don't preclude someone from making a great instant on battery powered vape...It's just that even the best of them aren't going to have a battery that will last a week of repeated use like a butane powered vape can with a single fill of the torch for example.

With the daisy a can of butane lasts about 4 months.

I'd have to dig that info out of the I think the hammer thread about the raw power in butane vs battery.

Also a plugin electric option might be easier to reach the speed and energy of butane power.

well like with your enano or other log vapes once they are up to temp they ready and have all the power they need to maintain vape temps so a click at that point isn't really necessary right?

edit sorry for the multiple posts in a row my bad

 

[IAmKrazy2]

Yes i have tried the Daisy torch. It works well, but again not nearly as well as the triple torch IMO

 

[Krazzykid]

I understand the torch is the best option for now. If someone could invent an electric lighter that heated it up to temp at at least a reasonable rate, preferably equally as fast or faster than the torch, it would take this vape to another level. Would be amazing to vape from something the size of a cigarette in silence. Doesn't seem like it would be too hard to invent...of course I don't know. Hopefully, someone will take on the challenge.

The coil on the e-lighter/cig atomizer should be vertical for us to just sit the VapCap in. When I get mine I will make a build that is like that and try.

Sure, an electric heating option could be done, but certain things have to be considered first.

You can't make the heating element out of traditional methods(needs to be ceramic most likely to prevent the VapCap from shorting it out.) No using anything with a kanthal or nichrome heater.

It is going to need to be powerful, which means it will need a decent sized battery pack to be worthwhile.

Chances are it is going to end up being much bulkier than carrying a torch. Probably much slower as well.

 

[bounce5]

Sure, an electric heating option could be done, but certain things have to be considered first.

You can't make the heating element out of traditional methods(needs to be ceramic most likely to prevent the VapCap from shorting it out.) No using anything with a kanthal or nichrome heater.

It is going to need to be powerful, which means it will need a decent sized battery pack to be worthwhile.

Chances are it is going to end up being much bulkier than carrying a torch. Probably much slower as well.

If a portable heating station requires too big of a battery, how about a plug-in heating station for home use? Both options are interesting, but part of my passion for a heating station is coming from my readings of the Vapman plug-in heating station over on the Vapman thread that was released, and to everyone's dissapointment, recalled. With the Vapcap it seems like it would be quite a bit easier since it already has the click signal when it's ready, and it's smaller. Of course, I don't really know.

 

[hweezi]

What if your were you build a coil on a RBA that you use the cap to build around.

I'm not the most familiar with building coils so I'm not sure if you could make one that be wide enough that you could insert the cap and give it a quick jolt. Not sure how tough they can be, maybe if you used a different type of wire.

...Probably not?

 

[Mister G]

George puts in all this work to make a non-electric vape and you guys want to strap on a battery or plug into the mix. I love the irony.

 

[capcoho]

I reckon some of the coil builds I've seen on youtube with thicker wire would be able to heat this bad boy till it clicks. Heck it might be the path to an ecig style which could actually vape herbs.

 

[bounce5]

George puts in all this work to make a non-electric vape and you guys want to strap on a battery or plug into the mix. I love the irony.

Totally fine and indeed excited about it for what it is - the smallest, lightest, flame powered vape with it's own heatup/cooldown/come and get it signal. I'm talking about further possibilities. I love the potential flexibility to have the best of both worlds. Plus it gives us something to talk about while we wait for our Vapcaps, this thread was a little quiet.

 

[Adobewan]

George puts in all this work to make a non-electric vape and you guys want to strap on a battery or plug into the mix. I love the irony.

You called it @Mister G !

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

What if your were you build a coil on a RBA that you use the cap to build around.

I'm not the most familiar with building coils so I'm not sure if you could make one that be wide enough that you could insert the cap and give it a quick jolt. Not sure how tough they can be, maybe if you used a different type of wire.

...Probably not?

We use ceramic tipped tweezers for coil manipulation while firing for ecigs... metal stuff will short it out, and you don't really want to short out an 18650. Which is why it was also mentioned that the stovetop coil heater for cigarettes won't work either (resistance wire + metal = shorting). You could go the VapMan way with a small heating dock. Hell, I bet you'd just need the right cup size on a domeless enail to fit the VapCap into and it would work fine.

 

[ragnorokk]

We use ceramic tipped tweezers for coil manipulation while firing for ecigs... metal stuff will short it out, and you don't really want to short out an 18650. Which is why it was also mentioned that the stovetop coil heater for cigarettes won't work either (resistance wire + metal = shorting). You could go the VapMan way with a small heating dock. Hell, I bet you'd just need the right cup size on a domeless enail to fit the VapCap into and it would work fine.

Ceramic donut atomizer?

 

[hweezi]

Ceramic donut atomizer?

Or like a ceramic cylinder you could wrap up.

 

[Krazzykid]

Ceramic donut atomizer?

It's possible. More testing/information is needed though.

How much heat energy is that little ceramic disc capable of providing? How long will it take for the heat to transfer through the VapCap (your herb is right on the other side of that cap and will be taking heat the whole time as well)?

Whatever the heating option, it needs to be able to generate enough heat energy in a short enough time to quickly bring the cap up to temperature. This makes it harder to find an appropriate option.

A flame is just going to be so much more convenient to most other choices.

Edit
Keep in mind that the glass/titanium will also be robbing the cap of heat while you are trying to heat it up. If you go the electronic heater option, it really needs to give off pretty close to the same amount of heat (concentrated into the same area) that the torch can provide. If you want the same speedy results, that is.

 

[vaporonly]

here's what I was speaking on earlier on the energy denisty of butane vs battery:

http://everything2.com/title/energy+density

Material By Volume By Mass
Diesel Fuel 10,700 Wh/l 12,700 Wh/kg
Heating Oil 10,400 Wh/l 12,800 Wh/kg
Gasoline 9,700 Wh/l 12,200 Wh/kg
Butane 7,800 Wh/l 13,600 Wh/kg
LNG (-160°C) 7,216 Wh/l 12,100 Wh/kg
Propane 6,600 Wh/l 13,900 Wh/kg
Ethanol 6,100 Wh/l 7,850 Wh/kg
Methanol 4,600 Wh/l 6,400 Wh/kg
250 Bar NG 3,100 Wh/l 12,100 Wh/kg
Liquid H2 2,600 Wh/l 39,000 Wh/kg
150 Bar H2 405 Wh/l 39,000 Wh/kg
NiMH Battery 280 Wh/l 100 Wh/kg
Li-Ion Battery 200 Wh/l 150 Wh/kg
Lead-Acid Battery 40 Wh/l 25 Wh/kg
STP Propane 26 Wh/l 13,900 Wh/kg
STP NG 11 Wh/l 12,100 Wh/kg
STP H2 3 Wh/l 39,000 Wh/kg

Material By Volume By Mass
Liquid H2 2,600 Wh/l 39,000 Wh/kg
Propane 6,600 Wh/l 13,900 Wh/kg
Butane 7,800 Wh/l 13,600 Wh/kg
Heating Oil 10,400 Wh/l 12,800 Wh/kg
Diesel Fuel 10,700 Wh/l 12,700 Wh/kg
Gasoline 9,700 Wh/l 12,200 Wh/kg
LNG (-160°C) 7,216 Wh/l 12,100 Wh/kg
Ethanol 6,100 Wh/l 7,850 Wh/kg
Methanol 4,600 Wh/l 6,400 Wh/kg
Li-Ion Battery 200 Wh/l 150 Wh/kg
NiMH Battery 280 Wh/l 100 Wh/kg
Lead-Acid Battery 40 Wh/l 25 Wh/kg
(best volumetric type listed only)

This shows the catching up that batteries have to go yet.

 

[VapCap]

here's what I was speaking on earlier on the energy denisty of butane vs battery:

http://everything2.com/title/energy+density



This shows the catching up that batteries have to go yet.

This was one of the main reasons I went the direction I did. Fascinating it is the opposite direction almost all the other vaporizer manufacturers are going. Oh well. Simple is nice in my book.

 

[ragnorokk]

Or like a ceramic cylinder you could wrap up.

There is actually a cylinder ("tube") ceramic heating element.

Combine that with the donut...

 

[sasNW]

@VapCap do you have an idea of when we will be able to order the dugouts? Any chance us preorders will be able to add them to our orders before they ship, not that it's a big deal.

Also any ideas on a price yet?

 

[VapCap]

@VapCap do you have an idea of when we will be able to order the dugouts? Any chance us preorders will be able to add them to our orders before they ship, not that it's a big deal.

Also any ideas on a price yet?

I am planning on getting the dugouts up on the website next week. I plan on all of them having at least one magnet, but please give me feedback on this design feature. Cost is anticipated between $30 and 40 depending on the wood variety. Adding to orders will be fine until I begin to ship out, once I can process payments again that is. I'm not sure on the shipping cost yet, but hope to keep it as low as possible. The added weight is a challenge for international shipping.

Thanks,

George

 

[Shit Snacks]

I am planning on getting the dugouts up on the website next week. I plan on all of them having at least one magnet, but please give me feedback on this design feature. Cost is anticipated between $30 and 40 depending on the wood variety. Adding to orders will be fine until I begin to ship out, once I can process payments again that is. I'm not sure on the shipping cost yet, but hope to keep it as low as possible. The added weight is a challenge for international shipping.

Thanks,

George

I don't think I'd need a magnet on my dugout, might prefer the flush wood...
Maybe have that as a check box option?

Also what about a (rainbow) Ti woody dugout bundle? And other varieties ofcourse. Oh and will the new Ti tips be the only Ti tips?