Dynavap VapCap

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stavros

Member
Smokey McVape said:
@Dynalowrider - here is the graph I was talking about -

I was just reading up on the Armstrong limit as well and you are right - many liquids and oils have a lower boiling point below a certain pressure. Its really intrresting to learn new stuff.
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So I'm no physicist, chemist or botanist or shit any of the specialties you'd need to form an educated opinion on what's happening inside a vapcap, however:

As an amateur, my guess is that two things are happening:
A.) we're not vaping, we're pyrolising (Is that even a word?) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrolysis)
B.) I'm assuming pyrolysis results in a dangerously 'complete' extraction - we're getting just about everything from the plant: THC, CBD, terpenes and god knows what else.

Hence the fuller high.

The real test would be seeing if anyone used to smoking their herb notices much of a difference, compared to someone used to vaping THC from concentrate.
 
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asdf420

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The air going through a vapcap always has oxygen, though. Maybe something like pyrolysis, or partial combustion, happens when one chars ABV by going at too high a temperature.
 
Mr.Sifter

Mr.Sifter

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I always felt that the VC is no vaporizer.
I will read on "Pyrolysis" a little bit.

Dont wont to spoil the vapcap here.
I have a young but quickly grown collection of stems and tips myself.

The thing is:
I started vaporizing for my health. Not to get blasted by a small amount.
stavros said:
A.) we're not vaping, we're pyrolising (Is that even a word?) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrolysis)
B.) I'm assuming pyrolysis results in a dangerously 'complete' extraction - we're getting just about everything from the plant: THC, CBD, terpenes and god knows what else.
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what do you mean by "dangerously".
Is it what I think?

Is it combustion like chemicals are beeing released but the result simply look like AVB ?

I really want to like the VC.
I do like it but I dont think it is a vaporizer.

the VC might be a genious extraction device.
But is it save to the standard that modern vapes have?

stavros said:
The real test would be seeing if anyone used to smoking their herb notices much of a difference, compared to someone used to vaping THC from concentrate.
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I know a person like this.
The person told me it is even stronger than smoking
(ok, most vapes are)

But that is beeing said from a present combuster.

MY roundup for today and I dont want to hurt nobody.
but for me, I will take a break from the VC until we figure out more.

I should have listened to my guts.

I am not a troll and dont want to spoil the party.
just telling my thoughts.
 
Mr.Sifter,
pxl_jockey

pxl_jockey

Just a dude
@Taazokaan I've loved c-vaults for last 5 years, recently I've switched to 58% boveda for my c-vault that stores the 1-1/2 oz I'm vaping at any given time. The boveda site claimed the 58% is specifically for the prime vaporization of flowers. We shall see! I've just switched out so too soon to tell, but the 62% I had lasted for over 2 years. It still wasn't completely dry but I wanted to try this new and improved one! :peace:

@Dynalowrider Sir, you are smart, but never an ass.

@stark1 Leave the man's goat alone. Some places, that's a hanging offense.

PS Here's hoping everyone's Monday morning is nice and painless. Unless it's Monday and you're reading this. Then I hope you've had a hot coffee and a hot vapcap by now.
 
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stavros

Member
Mr.Sifter said:
I always felt that the VC is no vaporizer.
I will read on "Pyrolysis" a little bit.

Dont wont to spoil the vapcap here.
I have a young but quickly grown collection of stems and tips myself.

The thing is:
I started vaporizing for my health. Not to get blasted by a small amount.


what do you mean by "dangerously".
Is it what I think?

Is it combustion like chemicals are beeing released but the result simply look like AVB ?

I really want to like the VC.
I do like it but I dont think it is a vaporizer.

the VC might be a genious extraction device.
But is it save to the standard that modern vapes have?
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Well I'd bet my balls just about any drug is harmful when taken at the right dose or for the right duration.

I mean, seriously, you're a biological machine that evolved over millions of years. If chemically interfering with that machine - especially with such rudimentary tools as naturally occurring substances - doesn't result in adverse side effects, well I'd eat my hat.

Fact is that your 'health' isn't an absolute, you're not either 'healthy' or 'unhealthy'. And some things can be helpful to mental health while being harmful to physical health... and so on and so forth. Thus most of us 'pick our poison' - we choose the things and actions that seem to us to strike the best balance between our desires. And often make a complete mess of it; C'est la vie.

As to the question of 'how unhealthy' the vapcap is - god knows, and only clinical trials could tell you. I mean, seriously, there's a reason actual medical drugs and procedures spend decades being researched and tested before they can eventually be used on people.
 
Mr.Sifter

Mr.Sifter

Well-Known Member
yes pharmaceutical drugs have to undergo extended testing because they are metabolized and so on.

the vapcap is a heating device (aroma therapy device)-- does Dynavap speak of vaporization ?

I wish it could be tested.
It astonishes me that so little people care.

the SOLO and the mighty have been bashed for their airway purity but the VC is left in the field of magic and wizzards.
 
Mr.Sifter,
Taazokaan

Taazokaan

Well-Known Member
Does Dynavap speak of vaporization ? DynaVAP, VAPcap. I guess yes imo ^^

Edit : And on their site : "Dynavap’s lineup of vaporizers and aromatizers are crafted to deliver the best flavors and aromas through sleek mechanical designs, unrivaled airflow, and industry leading battery free technology. No Smoke. No Battery. Just Vapor."
 
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Jimmyweaese

Jimmyweaese

Well-Known Member
Smokey McVape said:
With most electric vapes the temperature inside the bowl drops when you take a toke - this is why you need to heat soak Solo's etc to get a good hit. However as one of our fellow vapcappers showed about 100 pages back the temperature inside the vapcap bowl INCREASES when you take a hit. I don't pretend to understand the science behind it but I think George has found the golden ratios for vaping in terms of bowl size, heat conduction inside the bowl combined with heat transfer via convection and when you add it all together it gives the most complete extraction available which is why I think the vapor is so thick - you are getting all the goodies at once - typically under a minute compared to an electric vape that can stretch a session out to 10 minutes. I find that my Omnivap will still get vapor from bud that has been run through my Solo 2 until it stopped producing vapor!
Got to love George 'The Wizard' Breiwa.
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If it was smoke you' smell it
 
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asdf420

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i don't understand how it seems like combustion. it doesn't to me, unless you heat like 3-4 seconds past the click. even then, smoking out of a bubbler or pipe is much harsher
shitfuck


smoking weed isn't even necessarily that harmful, and it's clear that the vapcap is much less harmful than smoking.
 
stark1

stark1

Lonesome Planet
Mr.Sifter said:
I like the company.
All great people.

dont get me wrong.

I just suspect that VC are not the vaporization we are used to here in this forum.
Dont want to convince you.
I have my opinion.
Be nice
I am nice
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Whatever floats your boat, Mr.Sifter. Take a toke.


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Kurtdigglur

Kurtdigglur

Long draws
Mr.Sifter said:
I like the company.
All great people.

dont get me wrong.

I just suspect that VC are not the vaporization we are used to here in this forum.
Dont want to convince you.
I have my opinion.
Be nice
I am nice
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Think of it like a shotgun vaporizer. We used to shotgun blunts in high school. Doesn't mean we weren't combusting. It definitely is different than the vaporizers you're custom too. I can put the remains from my Cap in a shake and get medicated I couldn't do that with ashes. To each their own I guess. I don't like electronic vapes and can tell you a vapcap is healthier than a backwood blunt.
 
shredder

shredder

Well-Known Member
Kalessin said:
Just looking over the basics on pyrolysis I don't think the Vapcap is doing that. It seems like that process leaves behind matter that would be impossible to mistake for vaped weed
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I'm quite sure it's vapor we're inhaling. Pyrolysis needs more heat and no oxygen. And before that could happen we would be combusting. I really surprised anyone would think its not vapor we're inhaling.

We could argue if vaping is safe or not, but that's off topic, and needs its own thread. As someone with sensitive and damaged lungs, if for any reason vaping in general or vap cap use seemed harmful I'd stop and just eat my meds. No biggy cept I like to vape.
 
Squiby

Squiby

Well-Known Member
asdf420 said:
actually the naysayers are right. vapcaps are just overhyped combustion one-hitters. that's why you should send me all your vapcaps so I can properly dispose of them
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Vapoleon said:
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If somebody doesnt like it , always can send to me too for some investigation.
I Highly investigate it i promise!:razz:
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Before an investigation is launched, followed by a subsequent disposal, first they must come to me for verification of authenticity. Quality Control, you know. At this stage the Vapcaps all need to be tested, three cycles each. I'll give you a summary of my full report.

I read the definition and in my mind, it in no way resembles the Vapcap design, behaviour or results. It's like describing the moon while referencing the sun and calling them one and the same.
 
Ramahs

Ramahs

Fucking Combustion (mostly) Since February 2017
Yup. I think this is important, and we should help asdf420 in his quest. If it saves on shipping, you can send them to me. I will also pledge to make sure that they never allowed to hurt anyone!
 
phattpiggie

phattpiggie

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Accessory Maker
@Mr.Sifter I've often wondered about the higher temp hits the VC gives, perhaps 'quasicombustion' would be the word.

As you may have seen from my videos I can get some fantastic vapor production.
These days with the PS Mini I usually stop toking when the vapor tails off and upon insection my ABV can be light in colour.
I don't feel the need to push for darker ABV.

Not being rude but you were less than enthusiastic about the VC to begin with and then came round to enjoy it, I would hate to see you lose that enthusiasm.

Perhaps you'd be happier with lower temp hits with heat applications closer to the clicker.
I would recommend a triple torch for this as the three jets gives a more even spread of heat, the single jets can char easier due to the focussed heat.

This way you can check the ABV as you go and stop when you feel comfortable.
 
Smokey McVape

Smokey McVape

Well-Known Member
I think that if using cannabis makes you constantly confused and paranoid you should abstain completely. So bored of the same assumptions and criticisms being made over and over again. The Vapcap is a VAPORIZER.
If it wasn't you would smell and taste smoke eveytime you use it and the remains would be a black ash instead of brown dehydrated bud that can be further used to make edibles or tinctures which in itself PROVES that the bud has been vaporized and not burnt.:doh::doh::doh:
 
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