Divine Tribe atty's

[OF]

What principles hold true for herbal vapes should be true of concentrate vapes.

I have a friend who smokes flowers and torch rigs wax and he's is spending way much more money than me and we use about the same.

Good point, I think, within some constraints. We expect smaller yields with herb since the THC content is lower to start with. And some residual seems to be still in 'really cooked' ABV, guys eat enough get off? I'd expect more complete extraction (percentage of available wise) with concentrates?

Yeah I know the guy I think, or his brother. Nice to have 'money to burn' I guess, no that should be 'stash to burn'? Makes mighty expensive fuel in any case, and as an added bonus gives you some other stuff you'd probably do better without.

All in all I'm sold on vaporizing over blazing. And then some.

Good thoughts, thanks.

OF

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

Got my eVic VTwo (DT 2.7) setup according to the information in this thread and help from "OF" ,"Vape Donkey", "Baron" and some others. Thanks people. It works like a charm.
As to cleaning and the donut:
1/ can the atty be dunked in ISO for cleaning?

Hey, nice of you to join us here

As for dunking the atty in an iso bath, you can do that to clean it, but I don't particularly recommend it.

My reasons: there are silicon gaskets and insulation inside the atty, and I recall in some other vapes' manuals (crafty?) mentioning that if you do immerse plastic parts in alcohol, only do it for a few minutes at a time. Bathing in iso for too long can make the plastic brittle and crack more easily, and can also allow the dissolved reclaimy stuff to seep into the plastic itself, discoloring it and adding foul odors.

The silicon gaskets in the DT aren't as critical, but I wouldn't want to wear them down unnecessarily.

If you do iso bathe your DT, I would do it for only a few minutes at a time, and then shake / rinse / blow / burn out all the alcohol out of the base before you load it up and use it again.

If there's any leftover isopropyl in your atty that gets hot and vaped and inhaled by you during use that is very bad for you and should be avoided

If you want to clean off the hard char / crust / reclaim off of the donut itself, iso bathing is useless. You need to burn it off to make your donut white again. However, if you have overfed or mis-used your donut to make it leak oil down into the base, as many new guys have encountered, iso bathing is the only way to really get all that stuff out. So if you really want to clear out a heavily clogged / fouled base, some careful alcohol bathing must be done.

To clean off the charred donut: just set your mod to around 10-12W in VW mode, turn upside down and press the button, hold one air-hole, blow through the other. Matt has a video to illustrate the motion for you:

But let me stress: 12w max, not 14 like he says in this video. Poopmachine watched this video, cleaned at 14 or 15w, busted a donut, and that caused a big, mis-understood, high-watt shit-storm

2/ The donut in my short version 2.7 atty is crooked. Is this normal?

Good question... what do you mean by crooked?

If you mean off-center, like the donut is close to the rim of the little ceramic cup that it sits on, on one side, and has a gap on the other side, that's normal, it's ok. There's some variation coming out of the donut factory, not all are perfectly centered, but an off-center donut still works fine. You may want to use a sewing pin/needle to get into the bigger crack between the donut and cup and gently move reclaim oil to vape it up or burn off (Steven )

If by crooked, you mean that it doesn't sit flat, like one side of the donut is higher up in the cup, while the other side is closer to the floor, that's not desireable, although it will probably work still.

If one side of the donut is sticking up in the cup, you can use a small tool to gently convince it to sit flat in the cup. But be careful, pressing the donut in the wrong way can cause the wire to short out, and you may or may not be able to get it to come back.

Of about 50 or 60 or so attys I've bought so far, I've only had one that had a donut that was sticking up higher on one side of the cup and lower on the other side. It read at 0.86Ω (red flag for me) and it made very hot, combusty vape when using my typical TC settings. I pressed the high side of the donut down, but it shorted out the wires, and would come back at 0.90+ Ω, before settling back to 0.86, and it's original, high-seated, crooked position.

It also had a pool of semi-melted oil and reclaim underneath the high side of the donut. This created a cold spot, and this atty basically worked poorly. I told Matt about this and he sent me a new base to replace this one. Whenever you get an atty that you feel is defective or not up to standard, Matt usually will be willing to replace it for you.

Same with concentrates with the ceramic donuts, the same strains, and the same approach to temp. Patiently vaping off the lower temp fractions in the a.m, I want fine taste and fine cannabinoids, screw the opaque clouds, leave that to tire fires at the barricades. Actually THC itself vaporizes at a pretty low temp, it's a matter of blend. Here are the boiling points of the major Cannabis oil constituents, sorted by ascending temp, w/ Fahrenheit in the last column.


What's left on the donut after the first fractions, with temp set to say 350F, it's not so expensive that I can't afford to throw out this dross. Burn it off. Nobody's been begging for my growing stash of flower ABV anyway, that proves the point. At bedtime vape it hotter, that also means less to clean up as I'm falling asleep, or a faster burn-off in the morning.

Cool, thanks for posting up those charts, good info. People talk terps, terps, terps all day, but the flavonoids often are left out of the discussion. That's some good stuff that's worthy of looking into further...

But as far as your specific approaches with the DT donut: can you tell us what you're doing?

So you're vaping at 350F for the "alert" vape, but then what higher temp are you using for your "sdeate" vape?

And also, what TCR value and Ω rise? (If we want to convert to a different TCR value)

And to be sure, you are vaping the light vapor at 350F, then burning/cleaning the rest off, and then re-loading later for the higher-temp "sedate" vape?

Baller, you.

FWIW, my higher-temp, high-watt'ed vape still appears fairly light color to me, white-ish / light gray, but on the big pulls after a fresh reload, it just seems much more DENSE!

Not dark like e-nail vape

re: Dropping out of TC mode. I think you're right, it's at base temp that it sees the 1.0 or 1.5 ohm limit.

But this gear isn't all that precise anyway. And where the resistance rises more clearly, the processor in the mod is less likely to give up and drop into VW. It's like when I put a SS coil on an older TC mod like a KangXin mini VF that was never programmed for SS. It has to make the decision, it tries, it sees SOME resistance increase, but it's unconvinced and drops into VW mode. The mod can't directly measure resistance, it's trying to derive both resistance and temperature from the change in current, AND regulate temp PID style at the same time. If it stays in TC mode mistakenly that's not good either, so it's the firmware programmer's call how to decide.

Yea, I can see that. Not all that precise, but precise enough to work pretty well most of the time still.

For non-upgradeable, non-custom-TCR TC mods that may not have the exact wire type for what you are using, forcing it to vape TC on a mis-matched coil type can confuse the mod: it's seeing resistance rise up, but not at the rate it would expect for the wattage it's giving out, calibrated for a certain type of conductor material. It may try to modulate more, fluctuate, and "force it" to work in TC even if what it's actually achieving is far from what's intended. Depending on which TC mod and firmware it is, it may "drop out" of TC mode into VW, or just struggle. It's just software, after all.

Same with flowers as with concentrates. Sure, people smoke 1 gram joints. And then they open windows and spray the room down with air freshener. Wondering where it all went?

But with a temp-limiting vaporizer a 50 mg (1/20th of a gram) pinch of a 20% THC bud provides that 10 mg of THC (+ CBD etc) right into the circulation. Tarzan casts aside cane, able and glad to walk.

Well, the general numbers of how much vaporized thc is entering your mouth, yea, that checks out. But into your bloodstream and brain and endocannabinoid receptors? Not that much actually....

The bioavailability of cannabis is an interesting side-topic to consider. A good amount of that 10mg of vapor will condense, stick to your mouth / airway (and taste pretty good sitting there ), be exhaled, and get caught up in other various metabolic pitfalls.

According to wiki, the bioavailability of inhaled thc is 10-35%. So unless anyone wants to boil shatter and inject it into their veins with a syringe, () It's still the most effective way to administer, better than eating it, and I'm sure vaping it is closer to the 35% side rather than smoking it >10%

Sooo.....maybe 3-4mg of THC to the bloodstream out of that hypothetical 50mg of flowers....

W/ either substance, exhale through a linen napkin and the Check Please camera crew barely notices.

What are you saying? You work cameraman for the PBS show "check please" and you blow vape discretely at work through a linen napkin? Or you're a fellow diner at a restaurant being filmed for "Check Please"?

fernand, I love your prose. It's challenging and entertaining, requires interpretation

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

So is the difference between bangers and a ceramic atty the difference between more faster and more longer?

That's one way of thinking about it...with a quartz banger, you dab your load, and you pretty much have to take it in one hit, all at once. Anything you can't inhale on that first puff ends up in a molten, smoldering puddle in the honey bucket. Sure, you can exhale, cover up the carb cap again and inhale this stuff, but this is pretty much smoking, not vaping anymore. That banger / e-nail reclaim puddle is relatively cannabinoid-poor and already has alot of naptha, benzene, carbon, etc, etc in it. Not like your first hit.

DT donut on Temp Control, on the other hand, is lovely because it allows you to vape up your load in a few puffs, or many puffs, if you want, without excessively degrading or combusting your oil, if you come back for repeated puffs.

The heavier impurities left in your oil after the light stuff is gone will still be there, but if you keep the temperature ranges within reason, you can still re-heat the donut to try to vape out the rest of the good stuff, without heating the crap high enough to be inhaling it or combusting it.

You can let the thick-icky reclaim accumulate to some extent, over a few reloads, if it doesn't bother you that much, without harming flavor or performance too much.

Once there's enough char buildup to hinder performance, the user can then choose when to get rid of it and burn it off, unlike it being automatic and involuntary like with an e-nail.

I started using the DT daily when I realized it was more convenient than finding and using my torch. Nothing wrong with capping an dabbing personally but it's all such a pain when you can just plop a dab in and get like 10 good rips out of it.

My first few days with it I found myself waking up from a lot more naps I didn't realize I fell asleep into.

In the end I consider myself to get more stoned when using the DT anyway because it stretches out the mileage of the dabs longer. When you go back to hitting torched nails after the DT you realize the hit of everything all at once isn't really that much stronger than 1 fat puff off the DT.

What principles hold true for herbal vapes should be true of concentrate vapes. We get so much more out of vaping .3 grams in an herbal vaporizer than smoking it. Vaping small amounts of concentrate should give us more mileage than ripping it in a rig that combusts it. It's making sense to me more and more and is a big selling points to me: efficiency, flavor and smoothness.

I have a friend who smokes flowers and torch rigs wax and he's is spending way much more money than me and we use about the same.

Yup.....I find donuts much more convenient and effective, at least for my tastes

So my Pico mod stopped recognizing the DT 2.7. I unscrewed and there it was: sticky canbabis oil under the atty and in the 510 thread. I dropped the atty in iso and it seemed fine until twice more oil drained into sides and into the thread. I swabbed it and kept on. It's not leaking but it's still working like a charm at TC 360/14watts. I continue to try different watts and temps. I'm surprised honestly that every watt from 11-18 and temp from 340-400 has worked brilliantly-all the results simply blow away every wax pen I've suffered through.

Glad you're willing to try different settings to find which one works best for you. I'm sure your donut can still have a long happy, productive lifespan even if it sees millisecond bursts of 18w.

I've played around with different temps on the pico, and I've found out that, depending on the concentrate, I can often get plenty of nice, tasty vape at 380F, when I was usually using 390F as my temp floor. 380F usually doesn't make as much as I like on my joyetech mods But pico, 380F is coo.

Question: it seems that this thing just hits endlessly. Non stop production of vapor. I can only assume that as long as vapor is produced that cannabinoids are acquired? Is there ever a time this thing stops producing vapor? It's hard for me to understand why a small amount just keeps hitting. It might be my ignorance around wax but it sure does seem to produce far more vape to material amount then I would expect

Maybe this will help you out. After the first 1 or 2 puffs fresh from a reload, the donut may appear clean and empty, with just a little oil around the rim. But underneath, there could be quite a pool.

Take a look: I had a compact water tool attached to this base (screwed into the 510 pin in the mod) with a silicon strip and it gripped so hard on the base, that when I pulled the water tool off, it ripped the ceramic body off the metal base, which remained screwed into the mod.

This gave me my first look at the inside of the donut. You can see this donut looks empty, but under the cup:

This little pool in the cup under the donut is why you can still get so many hits when it seems empty. This donut was fairly new, only a few loads of use, before it broke open. You can imagine how much invisible oil can build up in an over-loaded donut.

There's also a little oil on the under-side of the donut, but it's more like char, and the pic isn't that clear.

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

Ok, constructive stuff, done. Petty stuff:

No formal Ignore list here. It's just that stuff like this:

Vape Donkey 650 said:
Don't listen to OF,
Don't listen to nick,

can sure change my willingness to reply.......

I hope you can understand how that might be the case?

For the record, I think Nick is a great fellow, and like everyone else taking their time to post and offer advice, should not be ignored or dismissed at that level. He has contributed a LOT to the group, I hope he continues to do so.

Ok, well at least your listening to me, to some extent?

I agree, Dr. Nick is an earnest fellow, and all are welcome to come and post here, the only stupid question is the one that isn't asked. However, it's clear that when he came here 2 weeks ago, he knew nothing about divine tribe donuts, temp control mods, or even box mods!

Looking back, I can see maybe I was unfairly being a little harsh on him, but in that context, I wouldn't necessarily take advice from him on which is the best TC box mod to purchase.

Don't listen to OF,
Don't listen to nick,

This may be a little harsh, but I stand by these out-of-context polemics against what I consider to be poor advice and bad practices.

In this case, don't listen to Nick when he says:

Not sure if you have a reason to go for something other than the eleaf tc40... there are probably better/fancier mods out there but for $50 for that battery and a DT 2.7 bundle it's really hard to beat.

Were you looking at the cuboid to replace the battery in it? The tc40w gets killer battery life (several days including cleaning burnoffs for me) but i hear you if you want/ need more battery power or the replacable cells.

So you agree with nick here that the istick bundle is "hard to beat" and that the cuboid is not a superior TC mod and should be avoided? It looks like DrNick changed his mind on this point too....

And when I say:

Don't listen to OF, it's perfectly fine to run in TC @ 40w with the istick. Is it subpar? Yes. Is it an obsolete design? Yes.

Is it vastly better than vaping at VW? YESSSS!!!

I'm standing by this too. I think when you tell people to use their istick 40w only on VW mode instead of TC-Ni mode, you are doing everyone a great disservice.

I'm pulling this directly from Matt again:

• DO NOT OPERATE IN WATTAGE MODE UNLESS IT”S BELOW 11WATTS PLEASE ONLY OPERATE in TEMPERATURE CONTROL.
  
  
• START at LOWEST TEMP AND GO UP PAY ATTENTION TO TEMPERATURE AND HEAT
  
  for best results have it set before you screw in the atomizer, also always choose new coil up. also if it gets flipped into wattage mode be sure your wattage is pre set to 11w so you will still get a decent hit without cracking the donut.

He's saying operate in TC mode ONLY!!!!

Why do you still think anything over 12.5W in TC mode is endangering the safety and imperiling the longevity of the donut when there is so little evidence of this and Mr. Divine Tribe himself is still telling us to use this mediocre mod on temp control even though it starts @ 40w?

If tons of people were destroying their donuts on the istick on TC mode, don't you think he would tell people not to use it that way, or stop selling it alltogether?

High-watter's are coming forward one-by-one, telling us all sorts of different wattages are working fine on their donuts with TC. For every 1 person reporting this on this thread, there must be hundreds (or thousands) of other users out there in the world, doing the same, quietly enjoying their TC vape, not telling us about it here.

He also says this:

for best results have it set before you screw in the atomizer, also always choose new coil up. also if it gets flipped into wattage mode be sure your wattage is pre set to 11w so you will still get a decent hit without cracking the donut.

That's a good qualifier. But don't mis-interpret it to mean that you can never see over 11w on your donut?

Actually, according this factory recommendation, even your favorite setting is wrong!

12.5w > 11w

I believe my fellow Forum Members are smart enough to consider all opinions and decide which ones to put how much stock in. Let's have educated decisions, not censorship?

Yes, I agree, let's talk, not censor each other. I'm not not saying that you shouldn't be able to share the settings that you like and work best for you; it seems that many others users like your settings.

However, when you continue to justify this sacred 12w setting by implying that it lengthens the life of the donut and prevents failure when you refuse to conduct any experimentation to the contrary on your own, and then also seem to disregard the mounting evidence that everyone else seems to be vaping @ TC modes with higher watts, that to me seems more like academic bullying, short of censorship.

I see it this way: random new people come into this thread, and, without having lots of familiarity with everyone who's talking here, and they see:

Vape Donkey: ~100 posts

OF: ~16,000 posts!

Who do you think they're gonna listen to? Especially if 16,000 posts is saying, with passive-aggressive subtlety, that Mr. 100 posts is doing it wrong.

For sure, you're a really smart guy with a large base of knowledge that I don't have, with alot to contribute, but that you have 160x the posts of me doesn't mean you also have 160x the amount of knowledge and experience with DT donuts.

It's kinda like you're the senior, tenured Professor at FCU, and I'm just a middling, junior-adjunct lab-assistant professor, and I have a promising new idea, but it isn't being taken seriously

Ah yes, Professor Donkey, I find your new theory on rapid-warmup high-wattage ceramic Temp controlled resistive heaters for vaporization of essential oils to be quite a novel idea, old chap! Say, once you've finished picking the ceramic fragments out of your protective goggles and nichrome wire shrapnel out of your lab coat, and you've published your results, why don't you drop the papers off with my secretary, and I'll take a look?

In the meantime, me and my senior colleagues will be at the 12w Safe-Vapers Faculty Lounge... toodle-ooo now, ta-ta!

But then I conduct the high-watt TC test, it works fine, (no shrapnel) and I drop off the papers at your desk, but I don't really get an acknowledgement of the results, or I can't convince you to try to repeat the experiment yourself, or to back up from your un-tested claims.

Comically hyperbolic? Yes.

But that's what I see going on here.

All in all I'm sold on vaporizing over blazing. And then some.

Good thoughts, thanks.

OF

Me too, I like to vape, not smoke. So when you tell Dr. Nick to vape his new istick 40w on 12w VW, where there will be inevitable combustion and sub-optimal vaporization of his materials (especially for a novice user) when he could instead vape on TC mode, which will minimize the combustion and be idiot-proof, even if it will char the load a tiny bit at the 40w start, but still vape and not combust his oil as best as that mod can.

To suggest that DrNick accept extra monoxide, tar, and carcinogens into his body by vaping VW mode to lengthen the lifespan of a $15 consumable, disposable atomizer seems like misplaced priorities to me.

Especially when the implied claims of decreased longevity ad reliability of the atomizer on TC mode prove to be unfounded!

So.... sorry, but when OF tells new users to use their istick 40W TC with the DT donut on VW mode, I will say again:

Don't listen to OF

Yes, I saw and and have already said 'it doesn't work for me, not reliably enough to recommend'.

Regarding TC on the DC, it didnt work for you? That's odd since we have the same equipment doing more or less the same thing.

It wasn't even staying in TC-SS mode for you in the beginning?

 

[DrNick420]

I have two Cuboid 150w's on the way, so I have definitely changed my mind since then

Owning the DT and learning it has been a learning experience indeed but i've learned a ton about it, box mods everything else since then.

even my poor Quave only sees use once or twice a day?

 

[Silat]

To clean off the charred donut: just set your mod to around 10-12W in VW mode, turn upside down and press the button, hold one air-hole, blow through the other.

I wrote Matt about the tilted donut.
What is VW mode. I cannot figure how that is accessed. I went thru the menu (I think) and did not see a VW.

 

[PoopMachine]

@Vape Donkey 650, I actually didnt bust an atty due to wattage. I moved the wire I guess when cleaning it. When I moved it back the other way, the mod picked it right up. Its still working to this day. But, I dont go over 12.5W anymore either.

 

[Steven]

Been on vacation for a hit so I am very behind in this active thread. I just read a few posts.

@Vape Donkey 650 I read part of your post about the ceramic housing popping off of the atty. You mentioned that the atty was fairly new and only got a few reloads right. May I ask were u using tc with this atty with those loads?

I ask because having char already under your donut within a few reloads is quite surprising. Something very similar happened to me months ago and it was with an atty I used for maybe 2 weeks with around 14g of wax used. I forgot to mention that there was no crusting or charring under the donut yet. I'm not 100% but I'm sure tcr modes weren't out yet. Crusting was an issue I found in the dt v1 so I was always close to monitor it because Crusting will hinder performance and add foul tastes and odor Imo. However sometimes it acts as a sponge to hold unused concentrates but that's not worth its negative factors for me.

Thus, it's prolonged high power/temps and impurities in the concentrates that leads to charring. I mentioned all this maybe like 30 pages ago or something. I even noticed charring under the donut from cleaning at 12w. So I changed my cleaning power to 10w. It takes longer for the donut to cherry so I used to just hold the power continuously at 10w for cleaning til I noticed that creates char as well. Now I use 10w and I don't let the donut cherry for long at all. My donut gets white as new and no char. I'm not sure if it was ur cleaning setting or higher wattage vape setting that cause the char but I don't think char development at that early of a stage in the atty's life is a good sign.

Edit: @Vape Donkey 650 just my 2 cents reading from the outside. It seems you are way more aggressively passive aggressive toward OF. He seems to mind his own business Imo. But you seem to try to throw your settings down OF's throat even though he is 100 percent happy with his settings. Who cares if he has or hasn't tried your settings. Why do you need his approval for anything. You seem very happy with you gear and settings. Like many has mentioned. It's a $10 atty. If it treats anyone well for a few months then I say keep on trucking. After a zillion edits I reread this Post and hope @Vape Donkey 650 doesn't take this as a shot at you. Let's just report on our experiences and not target others too much. I think your experiences in your posts are valid and helpful to many many out there, but let's just post and move on. People come here to learn and share, rather than reading on personal notes

On a side note, took my wismec presa-tc75w with the dt 2.7 and a spare base in a shaver case on my carry on luggage on a domestic flight to San Diego with no issues. Well, I got my bag fully searched at security going there and back but it was for other things. In San Diego, the tsa agent even pulled out my shaver case, opened it up, and asked me "what is this" . I confidently said it is an ecig battery with its tanks. She said "oh ok it looks like it." Then she just resends it through the x ray to double check and I was on my way. To be honest, the tsa in San Diego were more assholes trying to jerk me around. There's much more evidence supporting my claim but I won't elaborate the bs. I even had wax on my carry on that I put in my wallet. Both times that wasn't an issue at all. I would only do this on domestic flights btw

 

[Steven]

If anybody doesn't have a tc mod or enjoys vw mode, my personal recommendation would be to use 10w. This is for those who take long hits which allows the donut to warm up. I recommend 10w because ime anything above that will cause inevitable charring. I have a feeling I may have been the email that made Matt change his recommended 12w to 11w. I emailed him saying 12w gave me charring so I said I will be doing 11w. Since then and long ago from now, I found 10w to be safer and still produce vapor. In fact I keep the 10w set in vw mode on my mod for easy switching for cleaning and many times I take a fresh hit in vw mode at 10w without realizing until I blow out a humongous cloud, even more so in Tc mode, but less tasty. FYI if you have a short breath, 10w may not be to your satisfaction

 

[OF]

I have a feeling I may have been the email that made Matt change his recommended 12w to 11w. I emailed him saying 12w gave me charring so I said I will be doing 11w. Since then and long ago from now,

Matt is now recommending 11 Watts? Another memo I missed....... That's for VW mode, right? Makes sense since the average power once you 'make temperature' in TC mode. If you were to 'chain hit' for 20 or 30 seconds in VW mode you'd be running hotter than in TC mode. OTOH, if you cut the power back too far you can grow bored waiting for a hit?

When I stop having fun with TC mode, I'll have to try VW at lower power. I was running the TC40W at 12 and even 12.5 being impatient. Looking back, perhaps too impatient?

Good insight, thanks.

OF

 

[Steven]

Matt is now recommending 11 Watts? Another memo I missed....... That's for VW mode, right? Makes sense since the average power once you 'make temperature' in TC mode. If you were to 'chain hit' for 20 or 30 seconds in VW mode you'd be running hotter than in TC mode. OTOH, if you cut the power back too far you can grow bored waiting for a hit?

When I stop having fun with TC mode, I'll have to try VW at lower power. I was running the TC40W at 12 and even 12.5 being impatient. Looking back, perhaps too impatient?

Good insight, thanks.

OF

Yea you are definitely right about the hit time. It only really produces a huge amount of vapor once hits are over 30 seconds. Down the road I think charring on any old atty will be inevitable. I used 12.5 w for the longest time and my attys lasted months. The 10w is more for those who like to get the most mileage out of their attys. But as mentioned, it's a $10 base, so there are many who don't care about maximum longevity. I was and am a player of both fields but my natural preferred settings are the lower, maximum longevity settings. All this talk about vw got me reminiscing but I haven't intentionally used vw mode since tc. Haha but when I do mistakenly, whew, those are massive hits, I turn into a dragon. The hits are definitely partly combusted because I know how the donut can cherry at 10w for cleaning. This may also be all dependent on the mod as well. I know some mods run hotter than others. Hope this helps the newbies.

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

I wrote Matt about the tilted donut.
What is VW mode. I cannot figure how that is accessed. I went thru the menu (I think) and did not see a VW.

Woops, my bad, I forgot joytech is calling it "power mode" these days now. If you're in TC mode or TCR mode, just triple click the fire button quickly, go over one or two screens to the right and you'll see "power" and "x.xx watts" on the screen. Set somewhere between 10 and 12, and you can start clearing out that char with the rest of the instructions above

@Vape Donkey 650, I actually didnt bust an atty due to wattage. I moved the wire I guess when cleaning it. When I moved it back the other way, the mod picked it right up. Its still working to this day. But, I dont go over 12.5W anymore either.

Ahh yes, it's coming back to me. But in that case, I think we did (at first) jump to conclusions about what caused your donut to not give an Ω reading.

@Vape Donkey 650 I read part of your post about the ceramic housing popping off of the atty. You mentioned that the atty was fairly new and only got a few reloads right. May I ask were u using tc with this atty with those loads?

Welcome back home Stevey. You know I was vaping that poor donut on TC mode (TC-Ni at the time I think) I've never used VW for anything but cleaning after the very first time I piffed on the Evic VT on TC-Ni mode.

I think you may be seeing what's not really there, on the donut, regarding the char. The picture of the backside isn't clear (can be hard to focus on small objects like that) but I think it's more of a dark reclaimy oil, rather than char. Also, this dark blob is right around the spot where the wire leads enter the ceramic disc. This is the hottest spot inside the little ceramic cup, isn't it? I would expect some char in that spot even though you normally can't see it.

I ask because having char already under your donut within a few reloads is quite surprising. Something very similar happened to me months ago and it was with an atty I used for maybe 2 weeks with around 14g of wax used. I forgot to mention that there was no crusting or charring under the donut yet. I'm not 100% but I'm sure tcr modes weren't out yet. Crusting was an issue I found in the dt v1 so I was always close to monitor it because Crusting will hinder performance and add foul tastes and odor Imo. However sometimes it acts as a sponge to hold unused concentrates but that's not worth its negative factors for me.

You blow through 14g of wax in 2 weeks? A gram a day? whoa...heavy hitters!

I'm curious how you can observe crusting underneath the donut if the atty is intact and not broken or disassembled? You don't mean charring in the ceramic cup that holds the donut? I don't really see char or crust on that area (the cup) but I will see pools of reclaim accumulate there, eventually. Even if there is char on the backside of the donut, it would burn off on VW just as easily as crust on the top of the donut.

For sure, crust / char is undesirable, yet inevitable, to a certain extent. I have observed the "sponge" effect you mention. If you place fresh concentrate over a crusty / reclaimy spot on the donut, it's less likely to splatter or fly away (crumble that hasn't been pre-melted) But using the reclaim as a "sponge" for fresh oil also seems to make the fresh degrade into reclaim more quickly, and doesn't do the best for flavor.

Different folks have different tolerance levels for crusty accumulations. I admire how you and fernand make yourselves burn it off clean after every reload or so. I can be pretty lazy at times, and immediately after a sesh is my least favorite time to clean a donut. On the extreme other end, some of my friends literally NEVER clean their donuts. I've seen deep bowls filled to the top with crust. I've seen one friend take a syringe of simpson oil and literally fill up his deep bowl like a gas tank. This forces his istick 40w TC to push much more wattage than a clean donut, but his base is still running strong (and has all the airholes clogged and leaking )

Thus, it's prolonged high power/temps and impurities in the concentrates that leads to charring. I mentioned all this maybe like 30 pages ago or something. I even noticed charring under the donut from cleaning at 12w. So I changed my cleaning power to 10w. It takes longer for the donut to cherry so I used to just hold the power continuously at 10w for cleaning til I noticed that creates char as well. Now I use 10w and I don't let the donut cherry for long at all. My donut gets white as new and no char. I'm not sure if it was ur cleaning setting or higher wattage vape setting that cause the char but I don't think char development at that early of a stage in the atty's life is a good sign.

The quality of your concentrate will make a huge difference in crust buildup, much more than high power on TC modes on the best mods, IME. High watts will only add much more crust if the TC mod is sluggish and holds max watts for, say, a half second. Sluggish mods like the artery nugget char all the time, on the first load on a clean donut, on all TC watts/modes, even 15w. The slightly more nimble target mini still chars at 40w, but more char than the VTC @40w TC, and less burn than the istick 40w TC @ TC modes.

I must admit, for BHO at least, I'm often vaping mid-grade stuff. It's hard for me to justify 50-60$ grams when the 25-30$ stuff I'm seeing has nearly as much thc and terps at half the price of the top shelf, with the main drawback being the additional "plant stuff" like glycerides and chlorophyll.

When I vape good co2 oils, or more top shelf BHOs, the crust will only develop more slowly over a dozen + reloads.

FWIW, my buddy who's still using my old Evic VT on TC-Ni @ 30w came by last week with some real top-shelf shatter (snowman) and I was impressed with how many BIG hits we were getting from a single 40-50mg blob, like 10-12 hits at least before it tapered much, great flavor throughout. His stuff was vaping longer, stronger, and more tasty than most of mines.

I was even more impressed with how clean his donut looked after! He had been using this one for a few weeks before (daily) and we sessioned at least 4-5 good loads. The donut was nearly sparkly white at the beginning, and almost the same at the end!

It only had a couple of little grainy specs on the disc and a small pool of darker semi-melt around the rim. This kinda stuff can be gently wiped away with a tool or needle.

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

Hey Mr. Moderator sir.... this post + last post > 10,000 characters.

I must back-to-back.

Edit: @Vape Donkey 650 just my 2 cents reading from the outside. It seems you are way more aggressively passive aggressive toward OF. He seems to mind his own business Imo. But you seem to try to throw your settings down OF's throat even though he is 100 percent happy with his settings. Who cares if he has or hasn't tried your settings. Why do you need his approval for anything. You seem very happy with you gear and settings. Like many has mentioned. It's a $10 atty. If it treats anyone well for a few months then I say keep on trucking. After a zillion edits I reread this Post and hope @Vape Donkey 650 doesn't take this as a shot at you. Let's just report on our experiences and not target others too much. I think your experiences in your posts are valid and helpful to many many out there, but let's just post and move on. People come here to learn and share, rather than reading on personal notes

Yes, I'm kind of being a dick in how I keep pressing this particular issue of the higher watts on TC.

But only because I've been repeatedly snubbed on this point.

I guess the reason I'm seeking his stamp of approval on the high-watt TC vape thing is because, well, he has to be (one of?) the most authoritative voice speaking on this thread, if not all of FC? When OF speaks, people listen.

Like he said, I don't want to censor anyone. We should just put all the available (valid) information in front of the people and let them decide, like he said. That's why I'm trying to coax out more details of fernand's low-temp vape methods. It seems interesting, even if it may not be my favored way of DT vaping. But I might as well try it out to decide, right?

I think I'm gonna have to just give up on getting OF's stamp on the high TC watts. I don't think I'm gonna get him to try it out, but I think it would mean alot if he at least would concede that vaping at anything higher than 12.5w on TC is not going to burn out out your donut or greatly shorten it's lifespan.

When he says "we should get at all the facts out and let people decide" but then also tells people that setting higher watts will blow out your donut, and considering his inherent authority......what kind of newb in his right mind would come into this thread, read up, and then go against that?


Well, a few brave souls, at least. But not most. I still think this is a form of soft censorship......

But I guess I'm just gonna have to get over it, and move forward. I hope we can still talk about other things and that he doesn't hate me now over it.

On a side note, took my wismec presa-tc75w with the dt 2.7 and a spare base in a shaver case on my carry on luggage on a domestic flight to San Diego with no issues. Well, I got my bag fully searched at security going there and back but it was for other things. In San Diego, the tsa agent even pulled out my shaver case, opened it up, and asked me "what is this" . I confidently said it is an ecig battery with its tanks. She said "oh ok it looks like it." Then she just resends it through the x ray to double check and I was on my way. To be honest, the tsa in San Diego were more assholes trying to jerk me around. There's much more evidence supporting my claim but I won't elaborate the bs. I even had wax on my carry on that I put in my wallet. Both times that wasn't an issue at all. I would only do this on domestic flights btw

Ha...you rascal, you. I've done some things with flowers and planes....but I shouldn't say more about that. It's been forever since I've taken a vacation or got on a plane, I was still a smoker, not a vaper since then.

But ever since I've been vaping on DT donuts, I have often thought to myself that it wold be an ideal travel vape...clean your 510 threads, bring a fresh base. Looks totally innocuous, no smell.

Dealing with the concentrate could be a bit more challenging. I've thought of using a container originally purposed with holding various types of medicinal balms or ointments, that may vaguely resemble some wax or shatter. But it's a big risk... I don't know if I would actually attempt it next time it came around.

But regarding the TSA, and legality, and what is or isn't allowed on a flight...

You guys are aware that if you are making a domestic, in-state flight in a medical or recreationally legal state, it is perfectly legit to carry a (declared) ounce of flowers with you. Concentrates, I don't know.

Example: you can carry an oz. with you on a flight from Denver to Boulder, or from SF to LA (if you're med'ed up)

And also, a friend of mine who vapes a DT donut on a little old istick 40w (the same guy who dropped it in the hot tub and it still works ) and travels alot, told me that newer TSA regulations bar fliers from taking any device with a battery on to a flight, short of our phones, computers and tablets. Maybe misinformed on that point, or a regulation that may no longer apply.

But if so, we can still fly with our removeable-cell mods, no battery, and then hopefully find some 18650 cells in Brasil or wherever, and then fill our TC mods with a fresh battery and that yellow stuff that's in the lip balm container.

Matt is now recommending 11 Watts? Another memo I missed....... That's for VW mode, right? Makes sense since the average power once you 'make temperature' in TC mode. If you were to 'chain hit' for 20 or 30 seconds in VW mode you'd be running hotter than in TC mode. OTOH, if you cut the power back too far you can grow bored waiting for a hit?

When I stop having fun with TC mode, I'll have to try VW at lower power. I was running the TC40W at 12 and even 12.5 being impatient. Looking back, perhaps too impatient?

Good insight, thanks.

OF

Yup, I had missed some of his updated notes on the istick 40w, because, well, I haven't had any reason to look at that listing for myself for quite some time?

But regarding the theory of donut lifespan and higher watts, you guys may be on to something with this, but maybe you are exaggerating the difference?

Hypothesizing..... but let's say a donut vaped @ 11w max on TC mode, used every day for xx minutes, might last for 2 years before it failed catastrophically?

But another donut of identical build quality, vaped @ 25w max on TC, on a high-performing mod like a VTC or cuboid, used every day for the same xx minutes, might last 18 months before the nichrome wire bursts itself inside the donut and shorts out?

Just ballparking up there, but I am still using maybe 4-5 donuts that are about a year old, and had seen alot of TC wattages from 12-75w And then another 5 or 6 donuts in use for about 5-6 months, entirely at 25w TC....and a few more that have only seen a couple months @ 25w.

The oldest ones have vaped many multiple grams, but not steven-level grams. The fact that I spread out my DT use over a dozen-or-so different bases, alternating, it does help them see some rest.

But is this not longevity? For a cheap little disposable atty, and for some users wanting quicker warm ups, can't we agree this is an acceptable way to vape with DT? At least that we're getting our $money'$ worth out out these little things if we can expect high-watt'ed TC bases to last about a year or more?

 

[Steven]

@Vape Donkey 650 thanx for the warm welcome back. Your post covered a lot so I lm probably gonna miss some points. I only said you had charring underneath because I thought you mentioned it yourself, the picture is indeed blurry. But I may have been mistaken I guess. I agree, a little crusting down the line is probably inevitable and that the purity if the concentrate plays a bigger role in crusting

I mentioned that something similar happened to me where the ceramic housing popped off on a 2 weeks old atty. Without the housing, I was able to see under the donut and it had no char yet. The best way I found to monitor char on an unbroken atty is to shine a strong led right against the side of the atty, not over on top of it. You can at least see if there is some crust forming. A lesser charring donut will always be speckle free of bits of crust on the small space surrounding the rim of the donut. You should just see the white ceramic cup. To remove small bits of crust i use a combination of my needle agitation method and another swipe of the gap for stubborn bits with some stickers that I cut into long sharp triangles. I use stickers because they come with the wax I get and because it is thin and firm enough to withstand the force of swiping bits of crust.

I guess we differ in opinions of grades of wax or our areas just differ in price. Low grade for me is $25-35 a gram. I look for deals when you buy in bulk. I actually consider my quality of wax mid grade. I found a direct seller that offers deals when you buy at least 4g. So what normally costs $60 a g I get for $35. My guy is a direct seller to clubs so that's why it's a cheaper price. High grade Imo is $80-100 a g.

Yea how many grams you go through is a better lifespan gauge of the dt donut than a matter of time. I use 1 atty 99%

I think you are exactly right about the difference in lifespan difference from higher and lower wattage. This is also part of the reason why there is no 1 optimal setting for everyone. Everyone should literally just take suggestions, the reasons for those suggestions, and play around from there to what they like most. Don't go off someone else's suggestion and just think that's the best setting for them because it's works well. It may work even more towards your needs if you play with it. There are so many variables for reasons of certain settings. It's a $10 base... But there are also a big crowd out there that wants to milk every last mileage out of there dt donuts.

I generally finish a BB sized load in one long chained hit. If I were to take a second hit, there will be very little vapor that tastes gaggingly gross. So in about 3-5 loads I need an oil change and dump out all that old dirty gunk. That means my donut is pearly white every few loads. I like to keep it fresh. Imo I'm throwing something away that isn't worthwhile to anybody. Either that or I really am a snob and I don't know it haha.

Wax on the plane is fairly easy. There a few reddit forums I read up on and a combination of time that agents get to examine the x ray, and how the wax or any organic matter appears as orange on the x ray makes it a hit harder to detect. Wax is easy

I mentioned this before and I think it's a good rule of thumb. If anybody is happy with whatever setting that they are using and if the dt donut lasts longer than a few months, keep in trucking. Use what u like, whatever that setting may be. For $10 to last a few months and give you hours of fun is for sure worth it Imo but at the same time I can understand the position of those who like to get every little bit of use out of their things. An extra month or 2 months of use may be important to some, no matter the price

Im sure you and OF are on good terms. He doesn't seem like the petty type at all. It appears u have moved on over the issue as well anyway.

 

[fernand]

See? This is what happens when people vape at controlled lower temps. They get all excited and start discussin' shit. Even arguing! As opposed to sittin' stoned 'n couch-locked like mental patients after the afternoon thorazine rounds.


I suspect that every mod and every atomizer has enough tolerance in the construction that each pairing is unique.

The temp setting is like cruise control, with a not too accurate speedometer. But that's easily eyeballed, most folks aren't worried about +/- 10 miles per hour.

But the wattage is the ramp up and how hard you mash the accelerator. And that can make a big difference.

Here's what I do. Start out low enough, like 7 watts, so it never gets to temperature. Watch it creep up and try. Then gradually try higher settings until it gets to temp reasonably fast, but never with all guns blazing. That's where I leave it - for THAT atty on THAT mod with THAT kind of load. That might be 12, or 10 watts, or it might be 14.

I'm not in a hurry, and I never want to overshoot, I'm after a specific fraction, at a limited temperature. Overshoot is gonna happen if you ht the gas pedal too hard. By the time the speedometer says 70, the driver reacts and backs off, you're actually going 85.

@Vape Donkey 650 I'll try to get us some scope traces/graphs, but need a little 510 adapter to clip the test leads onto. Someday soon ...

Ideally I'd have these tiny disposable glass cups that would sit on the donut like a tiny frying pan, vaporize the oil at the desired temp, what's left is what I don't want, that might be half or it might be none, depending, and toss the dross with little glass pan. Save on cleaning time. Or clean'em in a cycle. Load and burn-clean them outside the donut? I'm experimenting with those little glass "buttons" again.

 

[DrNick420]

Wow the shallow really does seem..... well... shallow.
Having only used deep 2.7s so far (waiting on my shallow ones to show up) it will be weird going to those after getting used to the deep ones.

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

See? This is what happens when people vape at controlled lower temps. They get all excited and start discussin' shit. Even arguing! As opposed to sittin' stoned 'n couch-locked like mental patients after the afternoon thorazine rounds.

Not arguing really....more like shouting to myself in an empty echo chamber.

You need at least 2 people for there to be an argument

It's not my fault though.... my friend jack herer made me do it. You see, I was strung out on green crack at the time, and I had a near-lethal dose of durban poison administered to me. After it was all done, I felt like a trainwreck

ok enough lame strain puns

@Vape Donkey 650 I'll try to get us some scope traces/graphs, but need a little 510 adapter to clip the test leads onto. Someday soon ...

Ideally I'd have these tiny disposable glass cups that would sit on the donut like a tiny frying pan, vaporize the oil at the desired temp, what's left is what I don't want, that might be half or it might be none, depending, and toss the dross with little glass pan. Save on cleaning time. Or clean'em in a cycle. Load and burn-clean them outside the donut? I'm experimenting with those little glass "buttons" again.

oscilloscope? Y A A A S! ! !

I'm not even sure exactly what an oscilloscope does, how it works, how big/expensive/precise they are, (it's only a wiki search away) but from browsing some other threads where people are posting some graphs, this device allows you to graph "time" on one axis and "watts" on the other axis, so that you can see exactly how much power your mod is pushing to your atty throughout the entire duration of a puff. . . right? even at very small time scales?

This is mostly useful to compare the performance of different mods, attys, coils, and to help best calibrate / configure them?

I would love to see some charts of the DT donut being vaped at different TC settings on various different mods. This would allow us to test / verify some of our theories, such as the duration of high wattages in TC modes, warm-up times, and wattage fluctuation?

Even the best joyetech mods display lots of information when it's vaping, maybe refreshing the screen twice a second for your viewing pleasure? But inside that box, numbers are being crunched and power modulated at a much faster rate than the display screen can show you

Yea how many grams you go through is a better lifespan gauge of the dt donut than a matter of time. I use 1 atty 99%

That's probably the best gauge of donut life span. My oldest bases have vaped through more than 5-6 grams over the course of about a year, and I expect them to continue on with their trucking. The only thing that will put them to rest will probably be their early retirement, due to the imminent debut of the 3.0 donuts. Even if any of my oldest or middle aged donuts suddenly failed at their next use, I would consider them successful if they had gone through a few grams or so.

And soon, when a ceramic heater cracks on us, we can just plug in a new donut through the cup and into the wire terminals, when we will be rebuilding our own v3.0's. No more throwing away atty bases. Maybe people will even have original ideas in modding the new V3 bases and donuts?

There are so many variables for reasons of certain settings. It's a $10 base... But there are also a big crowd out there that wants to milk every last mileage out of there dt donuts.

I can see that now....that's a crowd I have tended to overlook, from my relative position of abundance.

Humble pensioners living in Iceland or Siberia may be well advised to run their bases at 11 or 12w TC mode for max life. But they probably would vape all their crusty reclaim too

Wow the shallow really does seem..... well... shallow.
Having only used deep 2.7s so far (waiting on my shallow ones to show up) it will be weird going to those after getting used to the deep ones.

A 2mm difference can look pretty big on a zoomed-in pic like that.

I'm all sold on the deep bowls, I got rid of all my shallows months ago. The shallows are certainly easier to load. Being sloppy, you can simply scrape your tool over the rim and the concentrate will probably fall on a good spot somewhere over the donut.

But this convenience comes at the price of much more splatter Not worth it IMO. I also found the airflow on the deep bowls to be a little more consistent, with the placement and size of the air-holes in the cup being more resistant to becoming blocked and clogged.

Attempting to vape runnier concentrates like a low-viscosity CO2 oil is a fool's-errand on the shallow bowl. Or maybe a quixotic journey? You'll be splashing more than vaping if you pull nice-sized clouds, or taking little itty-bitty sippy hits if you actually keep the splashing under control.

But you're about to have both in your hands, Nicky, so you can test both and decide for yourself which you like better, or for which specific application.

If you've learned to load the deep bowl with some proficiency by now, my guess is you'll favor them still. I'm gonna post some deep bowls up for everyone here, but for a different reason....

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

Regarding crusting and charring, which will probably remain an issue on all conduction concentrate vapes for the forseeable future...I just want to illustrate the levels of crust and reclaim I've been talking about....

send the kids to bed early and shut the blinds.... it's time for some more

raunchy d0nut pr@wn

This is one of the cleaner donut's I'm vaping on at the moment. Perhaps 3-4 reloads since the last cleaning. What appears to be crust or char on the top is actually just semi-vaped...this is a mid-session pic, I can still plug this into my rig and milk a few more nice sized hits which are still pretty tasty, at least to me.

Also, if that stuff on the top of the donut bothered me if I saw it, I can set my TC mode to 200F (minimum) and hold the button while I gently scrape it with a tool, and also use the sewing needle around the rim to move any pooled oil to a hot spot on the donut, or to just remove it.

Looking for crust underneath it with a flashlight through the side air hole, the underside of the donut seems just about as fresh. I'll surely reload this disc up a few more times before the gunk bothers me enough to force a cleaning.

Also, what I earlier described as a "pretty clean donut" or something, with only a few specks, after me and my friend had the mutli-reload sesh @ 30w TC... I would say it looked about as clean as this pic above

This donut is vaping the green crack that made me crazy

Some may say gross, but this one is still pretty clean by my standards. Around 5 or 6 reloads since the last cleaning. There is a little char and crusting around the edge of this disc, and this kind of stuff will not easily be displaced by gently warming the donut while prodding it.

There's even more semi-vaped underneath the donut around the rim that can only be picked with a needle. I will then place it in the middle of the donut near the floor, right over that light-colored semi-melt in the hole.

The floor underneath the hole in the donut is the coolest spot in the cup, and I often see nearly un-vaped oil or crumble in this spot. Gently slide it underneath the donut and then you can vape it.

Ok, I post this one with some embarrassment This is probably the crustiest donut I have in the fleet at the moment. It's even dirtier and darker than it looks due to the reflection of the bright flash. Hardly a white spot on this donut. I recall going through about 8-10 reloads since the last cleaning to reach this point.

I should clean it before the next reload, but I may be satisfied with the 200F and light scrape method and be able to see half a clean donut? That and also scrape the sides of the deep bowl with a metal tool to remove some dark reclaim you can't see in the pic, and try to use the sewing needle around the rim too.

But that's really putting lipstick on a pig, and a donut this dirty is on the margins of what I vape on. I start to notice a little foul taste when the donut is empty and crusted like this.

But look at that relatively clean puddle of semi-melt in the donut hole. I wanna vape that still....

All of these donuts are vaping mid (maybe lower-mid) grade crumbles.

And one more for now....

I made this for a friend, the guy using my old evic VT. Exact same D-020 as I have from sunshinestore....he had a chance to vape on mine with the larger 1/2" silicon / glass elbow connector, and he was blown away!

This is a high-tolerance guy who smokes alot more than he vapes. He asked me to throw one together for him, I said sure why not. I like to spoil my friends sometimes, especially when it nudges them to vape moar, smoke less.

This 1/4" hose with the arizer style 18mm glass elbow is what I was using before I upgraded to 1/2 silicon with the less restrictive 18mm male to 18mm male bent elbow adapters. Even though it's only half the diameter, it still pulls at least 50% of the cloud that my larger hose and elbow does.

I'm not fully happy with how the hose is sitting, a little kinked. The glass booster seat of the 18mm M/F adapter helps with that, but isn't necessary. I'm gonna offer my boy the option of a brass elbow with a tighter 90* bend instead of the nice, easy bending 18mm M to 14mm M glass elbow that is currently topping his skull globe. This will let his silicon hose sit more stable and horizontal without needing the booster seat.

And if I can get my hands on some more good 18mm male-to-male bent elbow adapters, I'll offer him the 1/2" upgrade. But I also think he won't really care about these minor details and just be happy to have his first rig ever to match his first TC mod and first DT donut!

 

[fernand]

A really strange experience. I found an outfit that sells ceramic lab-ware for high temperature analytical testing. So I called, in standard engineering mode, about getting a couple of samples of their 6mm vessels. They said fine, but you must request on a company e-mail account, can't be a gmail account. I asked why. They said because they must keep a precise accounting on their books, and said something I didn't quite make out through the Chinese accent, but something along the lines of "can be used for extractions". I thought I heard the word botanical. Is this the watchful eye in the sky?

Come on, it's for my mouse tea party.

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

lol..... fern... for real?

It seemed plausible, until i saw the pic.

Fitting for your 666th post

Regarding your mouse tea party, sometimes i blow vape at my cat when he's being too hyperactive

 

[fernand]

@Vape Donkey 650 Your gear is great. So the atomizer has a 16mm ID silicone tubing right off the "bottom". Since you then later pass through the smaller tubing, is that any different in flow rate from directly going into the smaller tubing, e.g. like this?

In place of the black ceramic 2.5 style top, I would prefer a Pyrex top, nice to "see" the action.

 

[DrNick420]

@Vape Donkey 650 Love the poster.... was my avatar for a little while...

MY cuboid is 2 days late because of a USPS delay which has resulted in no delivered mail for the last 2 days. Also stuck in that delay is my 4 new 2.7's and water adapter....

When the cuboid gets in and i can limit not just one variable at a time I will be happy to try out the 200f/scrape down tech.

@Vape Donkey 650 Your gear is great. So the atomizer has a 16mm ID silicone tubing right off the "bottom". Since you then later through the smaller tubing, is that any different in flow rate from directly going into the smaller tubing, e.g. like this?

In place of the black ceramic 2.5 style top, I would prefer a Pyrex top, nice to "see" the action.

I might have to try this out if I ever break my glass adapter

 

[Steven]

so on my sd trip i had to hit the dt 2.7 dry. i never use it dry but i needed stealth. Anyway, with this i noticed the "one flake goes for days" effect. The airlfow in the dt 2.7 is so great that if hit comfortably, i believe it is enough to cool down the donut and hinder its performance. im used to water tools, so that naturally restricts some airlfow, and i do some manual restrictions with my mouth and breath as well on top of that. I noticed i could not finish my same loads in 1 long chained hit and this only happens when i was using it dry in sd. Playing around with it, the culprit for me is related to airflow because i use the same atty at home with a water tool and i finish my loads as usual. dont get me wrong, the DT 2.7 is definitely a conserver, but for a bb load to last so many hits for me is unheard of

@fernand Sourcevapes came out with a new enail line that actually uses the dt donut with either a glass, ceramic, or titanium cup that sits on top of the donut. sounds very similar to what you are doing. i didnt like it too much because you need to superheat the donut to get decent vapor. do you have the same problem with your set up? not sure if it is for you because i think you like your stuff very low heat

 

[insideoutman]

I'm experimenting with those little glass "buttons" again.

& This just blew me away! I will most likely give this a trial as well. I like the idea, a lot, and I wager that this could lead to a new technique for loading... I still haven't given the readyXwick a shot (ceramic wick). After getting a feel for the properties of concentrates, I really doubt that its structure would give many real advantages in this DT or conc. vaporization as a whole. It would mostly just spread out the concentrate, which is not really what we wanna do... maybe a small piece, stuffed in the very center? Not sure.. it does do something really interesting with heat - might abandon that idea and go with this one instead, but when I receive my new donuts I will try an experiment.. . Im happy with the DT dry though, but would attach a water tool without question...

Very good points everyone - ive been reading, although I don't have much to contribute.

Also, if one of you more advanced users wants a sample of the readyxwick in 2mm or 3mm, no engineering email required, PM away. Id love a mouse tea cup.

 

[DrNick420]

When the Cuboids get in but the batteries are MIA and two days overdue tracking's scheduled delivery date and the tracking hasn't updated since...

USPS always gotta be screwin up when I'm buying vaping toys!