Currently I can run
Dry herb on 35w+ only to get something - but arizer solo is better.
Donut on 15w to make it red in 10 sec - but 510 nail also looks better for me.
All other mods don't work
Divine Tribe atty's
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Currently I can run
Dry herb on 35w+ only to get something - but arizer solo is better.
Donut on 15w to make it red in 10 sec - but 510 nail also looks better for me.
All other mods don't work
stickstones
Vapor concierge
Is the ceramic dry atomizer a conduction based atty or convection?
fernand
Well-Known Member
@Steven From pictures it looked like air comes in beneath the donut on the V3. The larger donut might accommodate a 7 mm cup without air lifting it as much as in the 2.X design. As to the ability to maintain Temp Control against a direct air blast, we'll see. It seems most people want clouds and are much less concerned with the temperature of vaporization.
@Raz0r I don't have the dry herb unit, I too like the Solo. For the Divide Tribe donut atomizer you don't really want to run it in wattage mode if you have a Temp Control capable mod. If you're running it "in the red" it will fail pretty quickly, that's not the intended use.
I would set the M1, M2 and M3 TCR memories to 190, 210 and 230. Set the wattage limit to 12 watts. Set the target temp to 380 deg F at first, and of course engage Temp Control mode.
Start with the M1 TCR profile. If that's not hot enough to give you flavorful vapor, go up the M2, then M3. The vapor doesn't need to be Beijing smog. Check it out, but the actives are boiling off very well in a thinner haze, and that's what does the job.
Since it's hard to measure the actual temp you have to play it by ear. 460 deg F is probably as hot as you'll want to go, but that may or may not match what's on the display. Picking different TCR values stored in M1, M2, M3 is an attempt to make the two agree. You can always adjust M3 to a higher value, like 245. Once the unit is dialed in this way, 380 deg should give you a more alerting affect, and 440 a more sedating effect, while never burning the oils. That's the point of Temp Control.
Some people are turning the wattage limit up, but most of us here are keeping it around 12 watts to avoid damaging the donut, especially if the mod jumps out of Temp Control. To burn off residue you turn off TC and just run it at 12 watts, pulsing the button to keep it from glowing for more than a couple seconds at a time. Best success!
@Raz0r I don't have the dry herb unit, I too like the Solo. For the Divide Tribe donut atomizer you don't really want to run it in wattage mode if you have a Temp Control capable mod. If you're running it "in the red" it will fail pretty quickly, that's not the intended use.
I would set the M1, M2 and M3 TCR memories to 190, 210 and 230. Set the wattage limit to 12 watts. Set the target temp to 380 deg F at first, and of course engage Temp Control mode.
Start with the M1 TCR profile. If that's not hot enough to give you flavorful vapor, go up the M2, then M3. The vapor doesn't need to be Beijing smog. Check it out, but the actives are boiling off very well in a thinner haze, and that's what does the job.
Since it's hard to measure the actual temp you have to play it by ear. 460 deg F is probably as hot as you'll want to go, but that may or may not match what's on the display. Picking different TCR values stored in M1, M2, M3 is an attempt to make the two agree. You can always adjust M3 to a higher value, like 245. Once the unit is dialed in this way, 380 deg should give you a more alerting affect, and 440 a more sedating effect, while never burning the oils. That's the point of Temp Control.
Some people are turning the wattage limit up, but most of us here are keeping it around 12 watts to avoid damaging the donut, especially if the mod jumps out of Temp Control. To burn off residue you turn off TC and just run it at 12 watts, pulsing the button to keep it from glowing for more than a couple seconds at a time. Best success!
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by the way the bigger donut fires hotter at lower temps. on my eleaf 40w TC the v2.7 worked great for me at 320f
the V3 VAPES perfect at 260f
PLEASE START LOW AND WORK UP
the V3 VAPES perfect at 260f
PLEASE START LOW AND WORK UP
the sides of the ceramic cup heat up so you get a even vape. it does not burn it at the bottom and leave it green on top. like so many others
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OF
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We're all over here, whispering to each other, giggling and pointing at you. And ducking down when you look this way........
1) If you check back in this thread you'll find none of us had any success with TC and the DC atty (Divine Crossing, the herb version, not Divine Tribe, the concentrate version which the Cuboid will drive in TC mode with the right settings.
For the DC atty use VW mode. Best look up the value, IIRC it's something like 20 Watts? But in this case, being so important, I would not trust my memory.....neither should you. Look it up?
2). If you want to do TC with the DT atty, that calls for a custom M value of around 245 (set one of the TCR values to this), set the power limit to 12 Watts, and the temperature to 390F. With a .1 gram initial load, and .05 gram 'top ups' you should be off to a good start.
Good luck with your experiments. You might want to read this thread so to save making all the mistakes we all did?
OF
Steven
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@fernand Im actually not interested in the crucibles. I'm just curious about the airflow situation in general but it's no biggie. I'm gonna find out in a few days when they come in. I'm going to look forward to being able to break it down and give it a proper cleaning. It's crazy how long these donuts will last now. Now it will be possible to clean crust underneath the donut and also crust build up around the leads. And now I find out it can even be built to a herb vape? Much props Matt. Nice design. Temp Control is definitely the goal to chase on the dc
fernand
Well-Known Member
@Steven of course with the V3 being rebuildable it removes one reason to use a "pan on the burner", you can just take it apart and clean it.
The other reasons have to do with temp control and having separate cups of different material ready to vape on that single burner. That and avoiding mixing strains on one burner, not having to dry burn it immediately etc. Setting aside the kitchen analogies, it's a little like using ammo in cartridges instead of a muzzle-loader musket.
The other reasons have to do with temp control and having separate cups of different material ready to vape on that single burner. That and avoiding mixing strains on one burner, not having to dry burn it immediately etc. Setting aside the kitchen analogies, it's a little like using ammo in cartridges instead of a muzzle-loader musket.
OF
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IMO that's a bad assumption to make. Since TCR is related to material alone, unless that material changed (unlikely, he said he was 'working with the same people'?) that won't change. It might take a minor tweak if the thermal model is very different, but I doubt that too. Remember the mod Matt is using (TC 40W) is a compromise, the reason we went to a programmable TCR mod is to get away from that. His technique has a 'work around' built in already. I run my TC 40Ws in VW mode, for sure that will need some adjustment to get temperature back where we want it. Using an accurate TCR mode I think will be pretty smooth.
We'll know right away if your assumption needs exploring. Although I don't know why you'd think it would be lower (as opposed to higher?) we'd know within a hit or two if it was off by much, 390F (or similar temperature settings) would yield lower vapor output, not the expected larger volumes from the increased working area. This one is 13mm? The old one 7? Nearly double the diameter, or more importantly the radius? Remember, the formula for area uses the SQUARE of the radius, double it and you get FOUR TIMES more area...... That depends on how big the hole is, of course, but assuming the same ratio I'd expect it to behave like several 2.7s running in parallel once it gets rolling. Cloud chasers will be dancing in the streets, the Nail guys will still be griping. That's my prediction for now.
Yes, several of us know how to calculate a new TCR value if needed. Not to worry, more than enough to get that job done. After all, that's how we got to '245', right?
In such things you really only need two guys: One to lie the other to swear to it........
OF
OF
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Not just Cuboid. Collectively I bet we've tried a dozen models? No joy, that kind of news generally gets shared right away and has a way of attracting attention. Hang around, if someone sorts it out, you'll probably hear about it here first.
Again, there are lots of ways to set it up 'wrong' (at least not as successful as we find it). Only one that seems to work. If you haven't intentionally inputted "245" into the mix you're not there yet. That's a 'fine tune' on TC mode to reflect 'our heater' as opposed to other types/materials and is necessary to getting the results you're likely looking for. This procedure has been posted, 'step by step' many times. Those using the same 'chip set' like Pico, Mini, RX 200, TC 100W, and those guys work the same way. The common key is the custom M value, 245.
"Protection" as a limit can be reached many ways. Apparently not the way you'd like?
Good luck with it.
OF
Iamlarrytoo
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My "3" should arrive today. I'm thinking I will wait for the OF-ficial M value prior to using this. I really love the 2.7, can't imagine much better performance, but am looking forward to a cleaner system. Can't help it. I like clean equipment.
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Turn the temp up. Even in Ni mode that is too low. Try 330-340 in Ni mode or set TCR value to 245 and run it at 390-410 and get massive clouds.
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stickstones
Vapor concierge
Thanks! So it's conduction from the sides. Any convection coming up through the bottom, or only fresh air through there?
fernand
Well-Known Member
There are a lot of factors here, but if the donut heater material is the same, I see a big difference in the Target Temp setting on the V3 suggesting all sorts of other causes. The mod sees an average resistance change over the entire donut. A desirable vape can be achieved at a lower average temp if there are hot spots, for instance, where oil is bubbling, vaporizing, and cooler oil is flowing in to replace it. And how the air fans the boiling off is a very complicated matter as well.
It comes down to trial and error. If nothing else a huge benefit of TC is the ability to set limits and prevent burning.
It comes down to trial and error. If nothing else a huge benefit of TC is the ability to set limits and prevent burning.
Protection is just what it says when it reaches your set temp. With your current TCR values 300 is too low obviously. Don't be scared to turn the temp up. I am hitting mine on 500 degrees (390 is my norm) through water right now on TCR 245 at 15 watts and it's fine. These things are cheap enough and last long enough even with constant abuse. Don't be afraid to turn it up! I used to run my old ones on wattage mode at 14 watts, try that and you will definitely get hits.
clearlight
Well-Known Member
Wow, v3 is ohming at 0.45!
What TCRs are other people using? The 245 I tried first never hit Temp Protection. Nether did TC-Ni or TCRs from 100->320 so far.
ok I'm back and figured it out. It was the wattage. Tried it on my iStick TC40W and like Matt said, you wanna dial the temp down compared to your v2.5 settings. So next I set my Pico to 25W in TC-Ni bc the 40W seemed a little harsh. This is a really nice sweet spot for me 25W TC-Ni at 300F.
If other find the same as me, they will need to move their TC max wattages up somewhat compared to v2.5s.
What TCRs are other people using? The 245 I tried first never hit Temp Protection. Nether did TC-Ni or TCRs from 100->320 so far.
ok I'm back and figured it out. It was the wattage. Tried it on my iStick TC40W and like Matt said, you wanna dial the temp down compared to your v2.5 settings. So next I set my Pico to 25W in TC-Ni bc the 40W seemed a little harsh. This is a really nice sweet spot for me 25W TC-Ni at 300F.
If other find the same as me, they will need to move their TC max wattages up somewhat compared to v2.5s.
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WKONE
Active Member
Hey, just reading through the thread and noticed this.
Does the cup come with this setup? How is this different from the DT OEM deep bowl?
I have a deep bowl on the way and the cup solution looks like it makes cleaning a breeze. I'd prefer to start out with this.
edit: Item out of stock
FX
New Member
Days ago, I coincidentally stumbled across this thread in my search of a build that would suit my needs and within an hour or so of the post releasing the V3. I have recently quit smoking cigarettes and adopted modern vaping. It led me to believe that something like the V3 existed. I am now into my third hour waiting for the mailman to drop it off. Thanks for the quick shipping across country!
I am using an RX200 and an RX2/3 as daily vapes. I have read the last two pages several times and also would like to thank those that put in their input. Through further searches, I have learned more about my box mods.
If I understand all this correctly, I power off my RX. Then I hold the power button and up button until the display shoes "M1 120." I believe these to be my "TCR Values." I don't quite understand what this number represents but I'm sure something with definition of TCR. For practice, I set them to M1 230, M2 240, and M3 245. I had planned to use M3 with my wattage set to 12 and a temperature of 390F based on the settings of others using older models.
After reading the thread several more times and based off of what I know about building coils, a larger donut could mean less resistance. Less resistance usually includes raising the wattage to reach a desirable temperature, for the lack of a better state of mind. So, reading the first review above, I think more watts are necessary but I can't remember how to do the math right now.
When it shows up, I'll aim low and work up until the pros chime in.
I am using an RX200 and an RX2/3 as daily vapes. I have read the last two pages several times and also would like to thank those that put in their input. Through further searches, I have learned more about my box mods.
If I understand all this correctly, I power off my RX. Then I hold the power button and up button until the display shoes "M1 120." I believe these to be my "TCR Values." I don't quite understand what this number represents but I'm sure something with definition of TCR. For practice, I set them to M1 230, M2 240, and M3 245. I had planned to use M3 with my wattage set to 12 and a temperature of 390F based on the settings of others using older models.
After reading the thread several more times and based off of what I know about building coils, a larger donut could mean less resistance. Less resistance usually includes raising the wattage to reach a desirable temperature, for the lack of a better state of mind. So, reading the first review above, I think more watts are necessary but I can't remember how to do the math right now.
When it shows up, I'll aim low and work up until the pros chime in.
Steven
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So I also just got my v3. First impressions are great. Truly an updated and upgraded from the previous model. The donut on this thing is huge. I found my self packing hits and hits and hits just to experiment.
So I kept my tcr value of 245. I'm using 25 w set at 350F. I used to use tcr 245, 12.5w, and 420F on the v2.7. Still lots of experimenting to do but so far so good. The thing i noticed is that many v2.7 donuts need a break in period of some sort. I can't explain what is happening but the same donut at the same settings will produce 30% more vapor after a gram or so is ran through it so I don't know what the v3 is truly capable of yet
Loading the v3 is a dream. I have a pointy tool and all I do is pick a piece of shatter off, click the power button twice or so while I paint the shatter around the donut, lining it evenly with melted shatter.
Cleaning is is very easy and thorough but with the added annoyance of screws. I rather have the screws than glue though so I don't mind that much. Plus removing the housing isn't required for cleaning, just more thorough. I'm also waiting for the math wiz's and pros (OF) to chime in for the official numbers
Edit: I also find tcr 245, 25w,and 400F to be quite nice as well. I guess I like my vape a bit warmer than others. Flavor is slightly nicer at 350F though
OK so far the v3 has lived up to my hopes. It appears it has been broken in already. It's producing massive amounts of vapor at the updated settings. These are rig sized vapor without the crazy heat. I'm amazed and glad I got 2. I'm only packing the usual BB sized loads too. I can probably load 5 times as much and take a gynormous hit but I'll save that for another session
So I kept my tcr value of 245. I'm using 25 w set at 350F. I used to use tcr 245, 12.5w, and 420F on the v2.7. Still lots of experimenting to do but so far so good. The thing i noticed is that many v2.7 donuts need a break in period of some sort. I can't explain what is happening but the same donut at the same settings will produce 30% more vapor after a gram or so is ran through it so I don't know what the v3 is truly capable of yet
Loading the v3 is a dream. I have a pointy tool and all I do is pick a piece of shatter off, click the power button twice or so while I paint the shatter around the donut, lining it evenly with melted shatter.
Cleaning is is very easy and thorough but with the added annoyance of screws. I rather have the screws than glue though so I don't mind that much. Plus removing the housing isn't required for cleaning, just more thorough. I'm also waiting for the math wiz's and pros (OF) to chime in for the official numbers
Edit: I also find tcr 245, 25w,and 400F to be quite nice as well. I guess I like my vape a bit warmer than others. Flavor is slightly nicer at 350F though
OK so far the v3 has lived up to my hopes. It appears it has been broken in already. It's producing massive amounts of vapor at the updated settings. These are rig sized vapor without the crazy heat. I'm amazed and glad I got 2. I'm only packing the usual BB sized loads too. I can probably load 5 times as much and take a gynormous hit but I'll save that for another session
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WKONE
Active Member
I tried using Matt's shallow bowl with my alumina cup, and as expected the air coming in below the rim of the cup (see where the holes are?) cools the cup, unevenly, and messes up the temp control.
In the black e-bay units I got from Keepitmovin13 the cup drops into a deep bowl, and the air is drawn in ABOVE the cup, and that works very well, the cup retains temp nearly at the same temp as the donut itself. I'd say the ability to choose where/how you draw in air, like in the better RDAs, would be a great future feature.
Advantages of the cup insert:
- No messy gunky donut, the bowl stays clean.
- Excellent TC, very even temperature across the whole cup, oil boils off neatly.
- You can easily fill and clean the cup outside the atomizer chamber. Prepping the dab is simple.
- Drop the pre-filled cup in after the donut is at temperature, no juggling w/ dabber, carb etc.
- You could keep different pre-loaded cups, just drop one in, like a fresh mag, drop out the empty and pop another one in. Keep a high CBD one ready as antidote in case someone overdoes the THC and gets all freaky ;-)
I was looking at the Bolt and all these other packaged e-dabbers have very high and uncontrolled temps. The Bolt lists 2 settings but nothing like specific temperatures. F'getabaddit. We want good temp control, much more controlled and economical.
I just vaped only the lightest 360 deg fraction from some Tangie Cookies oil, a wispy vapor, I wasn't shooting for coughing out a barn fire. But wow. Just focused and wide awake, the room and everything just lit up. No confusion, no anxiety, and no sedation. Very different from a full heat dab. About half the BB remained, could have saved it for bedtime, but just torched it off.
You're a good salesman! I just ordered 3 crucibles and one of the generic donut attys.
I have both a 2.7 and a V3 on the way, now ANOTHER one!!!
This tech keeps moving faster than I can keep up with! haha
Fernand, any recommendations on starting values for this configuration in TC on an Evic Vtwo mini?