Divine Tribe atty's

[Vape Donkey 650]

Many of us are dabbing on silicon carbide surfaces at around 515F right now. You get a much more effective hit from an enail and for several reasons but the two biggest factors are the heater surface area for your concentrates is increased and the heater is already at temp. This makes a huge difference believe it or not. But like you I have been too stubborn to believe there could be much difference from one thing I had plenty of experience with to something I thought I understood but had absolutely no experience with. Luckily I listen and read well and asked the right questions to motivate myself to try what others were saying and I learned quickly how far off I was. You tend to think a pen can substitue an enail...but if I recall you have no enail experience...

Haha Wow...who pissed in your dab rig this morning to motivate such a condescending, pretentious post on your part?

If you would simply read back one page, you would see I was just telling our new friend cody about such hardware....

Also, there is a new generation of silicon carbide dab dishes and gear, which are capable of giving you big, tasty dabs at sub-combustion temps, and being able to finish up your possible leftover melted puddle that you can't finish from the 1st hit in a second or 3rd capped-off hit that isn't all burned and nasty, due to the properties of the SiC material!

I haven't tried this gear yet, but I would love to try! It costs quite a bit more, and requires the big torch or the wall plug and cord for the e-nail coil, so it's not as portable, but many people swear by SiC now it seems! Sounds great, but I'm putting my hopes into Matt's new quartz and ceramic crucible vapes so I can keep on picking up my vape boxes + dab rigs and walk around with them during use if i want to

But it seems you are of the opinion that "all 'vape pens' are crap compared to real e-nails, and we only tolerate them until we can get back home to huff on our SiC dab rigs" .... so you would have no need to come to this thread and actually read what others have to say and learn from such lowly DT / vape pen peasants, of course. You generously come down from the high-and-lofty place of elite SiC dabbers, only dropping by on occasion to threads like this to try and illuminate the vape-pen-peons with your elite knowledge and help them fix the errors of their ignorant ways, right?

So of course you wouldn't go back and read what I said just one page back...

Because I was just trying to poke some fun at our friend @invertedisdead, and his self-described laughably low dab temps

I dab really low temp... like to the point people laugh at me haha.

From reading inverted's past posts, I think he only currently owns / uses quartz bangers with an e-nail, and hasn't tried the SiC gear yet. He can correct me if I'm wrong on that point, but based on my own previous attempts with low-temp quartz dabbing, anything much less than 550-600F would result in a less-than-satisfactory, meager hit followed by puddles of melted oil that quickly crusts up and requires repeated capped-off hits in order to not "waste it." I think this (even lower temp) "funny-guy" low temp quartz sipping is what inverted is referring to, and I don't see why this should trigger such a snappy, defensive, off-topic response on your part?

You tend to think a pen can substitue an enail...

In the real world, many people "substitute" a "pen" or a proper box mod in place of an e-nail. Alot of people start dabbing with 'pens' and for many valid reasons, cannot or do not want to own a proper dab rig. For many dabbers, they can only achieve full satisfaction with a proper rig, and I understand that. Alot of dabbers switch their use in between the 2 methods and enjoy both.

I think you simply refuse to recognize that a 'pen' can hit hard like a proper e-nail dab rig and generate a proper cloud without burning, too.. Alot of people are hooking up high-airflow attys like the DT V3 and the Sai to large hydratubes and conventional glass rigs with adapters, and believe me, a cloud you can fetch.

You can go back and look up some of my v3 / dab rig videos I have posted, but of course you wouldn't do that, because you're a grown-ass adult and a dabbing-pro that has no time for such 'pen nonsense.' And seeing those big, tasty, low-temp V3 clouds milk up a glass cylinder might actually challenge your pre-held assumptions, so you wouldn't do that, right? Of course not.

I also just prefer not changing the settings on my device's. I am a consistent and thorough person and I prefer things to be certain ways. The why is of absolutely no matter as I can assure you I am a grown ass adult who puts a lot of consideration into the alternates beforehand and I am very well aware of what I do and don't like. I dont like changing settings just as much as I hate locked doors inside my own house. I actually havr thought about getting a second device for a new Supercritical C02 pen I recieved that I have been trying out lately just because it annoys me to have to change the settings to go back and forth from the C02 cart to the DTV3ST2. Its really a simple process, but I have my preferences as I said. I would, however, imagine you could dry-fire clean the cup much faster by turning up the temperature.

So... I simply asked you why it's so hard to change the settings on your mod to get it to burn off in watts mode. I don't know what not liking locked doors in your house has to do with it. I wasn't questioning your adulthood or maturity earlier, but I think I am now.

That's fine if you don't like to mess around with the settings on your mod or explore their potential; stating that simply, without the grandstanding would have sufficed.

And you're free to under-utlize your TC mods and then wonder why they don't work so great, if you like. You're a dab pro that doesn't have time for that, I understand.

But if you did want to invest your precious time and look into it, 3rd party wares like ArcticFox has been yielding great dividends for some who bother to mess with this great tool. From the new, accurate 1C/2F temp steps, better overall TC stability, PI regulation options, ability to monitor your device real-time, and the ease of using profiles to switch between different attys seamlessly, AF has something to offer everyone who uses a TC mod and is quick & easy to install, too.

Like you, I get bothered by switching attys on a single mod, and making sure coil Ω and other settings are precisely locked in before I fire them up, and I use a ton of different attys, so that is a main reason I acquired a large fleet of TC mods, so I wouldn't say it's a bad idea if you wanted to get another mod for that reason. But since you think they're just junk anyways, and have little need for them, maybe you can try out AF and set up a couple of profiles for your attys, and then you don't even have to press a single button when swapping attys? Just as you like.

And tyvm for your informative post on the "DTV3ST2" and letting us know it can indeed be burned clean? I will definitely use this great post to contextualize your future posts.

Loving the AF firmware! Definitely an improvement over stock wismec/eleaf/joyetech TC. In PI mode it's basically idiot proof. Haven't gotten any burned or fouled taste at all after running about a half g through it without cleaning.

Back on topic...yes! That's what I was talking about! It's interesting that some guys are experiencing cleaner donuts and less cup reclaim by using AF? The best improvements I've seen is more consistent, stable temp curves, but about the same on "effectiveness" or reclaim. I've mostly used just TCR mode without PI, and PI on only a couple V3s.

What are the PI settings you're using now, for the large or medium donuts, with what TCR/watts? I'm curious how you guys decide on what P & I values to input based on what you see on the monitor...this would be something I'd love to learn....Also do you think you miss out on any extra tune-ability by not having "D" to play with like on the PID control on myevic? Thanks

Does anyone have good performing settings for the dry herb gen 2 with the arctic fox firmware? I was doing some searching around, and I didn't come up with much.

bizwaxzion has posted about the settings he's using with the gen 2 on the TC box mod firmware thread. Although that thread is reserved for such topics, I personally don't mind seeing it cross over here too. Would be interesting to see some more PI regulation discussion here...

Thanks for the tips @Vape Donkey 650 !

July 30th! Check out the trailer...

Cool, I was reading an interview of the creators talking about the up-coming season, and how they were behind schedule. It must have been an old article, b/c it didn't mention the 7/30 date or show the trailer...only a week away, nice!

 

[nosmoking]

Haha Wow...who pissed in your dab rig this morning to motivate such a condescending, pretentious post on your part?

If you would simply read back one page, you would see I was just telling our new friend cody about such hardware....



But it seems you are of the opinion that "all 'vape pens' are crap compared to real e-nails, and we only tolerate them until we can get back home to huff on our SiC dab rigs" .... so you would have no need to come to this thread and actually read what others have to say and learn from such lowly DT / vape pen peasants, of course. You generously come down from the high-and-lofty place of elite SiC dabbers, only dropping by on occasion to threads like this to try and illuminate the vape-pen-peons with your elite knowledge and help them fix the errors of their ignorant ways, right?

So of course you wouldn't go back and read what I said just one page back...

Because I was just trying to poke some fun at our friend @invertedisdead, and his self-described laughably low dab temps



From reading inverted's past posts, I think he only currently owns / uses quartz bangers with an e-nail, and hasn't tried the SiC gear yet. He can correct me if I'm wrong on that point, but based on my own previous attempts with low-temp quartz dabbing, anything much less than 550-600F would result in a less-than-satisfactory, meager hit followed by puddles of melted oil that quickly crusts up and requires repeated capped-off hits in order to not "waste it." I think this (even lower temp) "funny-guy" low temp quartz sipping is what inverted is referring to, and I don't see why this should trigger such a snappy, defensive, off-topic response on your part?



In the real world, many people "substitute" a "pen" or a proper box mod in place of an e-nail. Alot of people start dabbing with 'pens' and for many valid reasons, cannot or do not want to own a proper dab rig. For many dabbers, they can only achieve full satisfaction with a proper rig, and I understand that. Alot of dabbers switch their use in between the 2 methods and enjoy both.

I think you simply refuse to recognize that a 'pen' can hit hard like a proper e-nail dab rig and generate a proper cloud without burning, too.. Alot of people are hooking up high-airflow attys like the DT V3 and the Sai to large hydratubes and conventional glass rigs with adapters, and believe me, a cloud you can fetch.

You can go back and look up some of my v3 / dab rig videos I have posted, but of course you wouldn't do that, because you're a grown-ass adult and a dabbing-pro that has no time for such 'pen nonsense.' And seeing those big, tasty, low-temp V3 clouds milk up a glass cylinder might actually challenge your pre-held assumptions, so you wouldn't do that, right? Of course not.



So... I simply asked you why it's so hard to change the settings on your mod to get it to burn off in watts mode. I don't know what not liking locked doors in your house has to do with it. I wasn't questioning your adulthood or maturity earlier, but I think I am now.

That's fine if you don't like to mess around with the settings on your mod or explore their potential; stating that simply, without the grandstanding would have sufficed.

And you're free to under-utlize your TC mods and then wonder why they don't work so great, if you like. You're a dab pro that doesn't have time for that, I understand.

But if you did want to invest your precious time and look into it, 3rd party wares like ArcticFox has been yielding great dividends for some who bother to mess with this great tool. From the new, accurate 1C/2F temp steps, better overall TC stability, PI regulation options, ability to monitor your device real-time, and the ease of using profiles to switch between different attys seamlessly, AF has something to offer everyone who uses a TC mod and is quick & easy to install, too.

Like you, I get bothered by switching attys on a single mod, and making sure coil Ω and other settings are precisely locked in before I fire them up, and I use a ton of different attys, so that is a main reason I acquired a large fleet of TC mods, so I wouldn't say it's a bad idea if you wanted to get another mod for that reason. But since you think they're just junk anyways, and have little need for them, maybe you can try out AF and set up a couple of profiles for your attys, and then you don't even have to press a single button when swapping attys? Just as you like.

And tyvm for your informative post on the "DTV3ST2" and letting us know it can indeed be burned clean? I will definitely use this great post to contextualize your future posts.



Back on topic...yes! That's what I was talking about! It's interesting that some guys are experiencing cleaner donuts and less cup reclaim by using AF? The best improvements I've seen is more consistent, stable temp curves, but about the same on "effectiveness" or reclaim. I've mostly used just TCR mode without PI, and PI on only a couple V3s.

What are the PI settings you're using now, for the large or medium donuts, with what TCR/watts? I'm curious how you guys decide on what P & I values to input based on what you see on the monitor...this would be something I'd love to learn....Also do you think you miss out on any extra tune-ability by not having "D" to play with like on the PID control on myevic? Thanks



bizwaxzion has posted about the settings he's using with the gen 2 on the TC box mod firmware thread. Although that thread is reserved for such topics, I personally don't mind seeing it cross over here too. Would be interesting to see some more PI regulation discussion here...



Cool, I was reading an interview of the creators talking about the up-coming season, and how they were behind schedule. It must have been an old article, b/c it didn't mention the 7/30 date or show the trailer...only a week away, nice!

Edit: I come here for good information and to leave some when/where I can. I am not here to argue about the best method of dabbing or who's pedastool is taller. All apologies if my post got your head stuck up your ass @Vape Donkey 650 Hopefully, in the future you can learn to take my posts with a grain of salt rather than try and pick every one of my words apart.

 

[Bad Ocelot]

It's ok @invertedisdead, I too keep the enail in the low 500s. Though unfortunately my coil started giving me an error message last night & it appears to have broken one of my bangers somehow Fortunately I had a V3 setup nearby & iirc the coil is still under warranty from Matt so I'm not in bad shape at all

Regarding PI settings, I know quite little about them currently and just started out with some I got here in this thread (900/20). I have yet to use the device monitor (was on vacation right after I flashed AF on my RXmini) but intend to do some fine tuning this week/weekend.

For large, higher resistance, donuts in the V3 I'm using TCR 342, 32.7w, & 370-390F; for medium donuts TCR 212, 21.7w, & 350-380F (I've used the med donuts very little with AF so far though); and for the 2.7/5 base TCR 242, 14.2w, 366-380F (this works like gangbusters fwiw ). I presume the latter settings would work for small donuts in the V3 but have yet to try that configuration.

 

[Morty]

Shits getting fierce in the DT thread!
Wasn't sure if I was on Reddit or FC for a second.

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

Edit: I come here for good information and to leave some when/where I can. I am not here to argue about the best method of dabbing or who's pedastool is taller. All apologies if my post got your head stuck up your ass @Vape Donkey 650 Hopefully, in the future you can learn to take my posts with a grain of salt rather than try and pick every one of my words apart.

Like you said, I come to FC to read, learn, and to offer up some help when i think others may find it useful. I don't come here to fight or bicker or pump up my ego.

I hope you understand that when you mis-represent someone and set them up as a straw man, that will annoy people and invite a response.

I always try to use context and take a grain of salt, but your earlier post seemed pretty salty enough already, so I read it literally.

Non-sarcastic apology accepted? Head un-stuck from ass? I don't think anyone else really wants to read this type of stuff so why don't we move on....

Shits getting fierce in the DT thread!
Wasn't sure if I was on Reddit or FC for a second.

Ha, I had a similar thought..... i apologize for helping to drag us down to that level

It's ok @invertedisdead, I too keep the enail in the low 500s. Though unfortunately my coil started giving me an error message last night & it appears to have broken one of my bangers somehow Fortunately I had a V3 setup nearby & iirc the coil is still under warranty from Matt so I'm not in bad shape at all

Regarding PI settings, I know quite little about them currently and just started out with some I got here in this thread (900/20). I have yet to use the device monitor (was on vacation right after I flashed AF on my RXmini) but intend to do some fine tuning this week/weekend.

For large, higher resistance, donuts in the V3 I'm using TCR 342, 32.7w, & 370-390F; for medium donuts TCR 212, 21.7w, & 350-380F (I've used the med donuts very little with AF so far though); and for the 2.7/5 base TCR 242, 14.2w, 366-380F (this works like gangbusters fwiw ). I presume the latter settings would work for small donuts in the V3 but have yet to try that configuration.

low 500s on a quartz banger i can see, not much lower than that unless you really want to sip? I'm still wondering what inverted's "laughably low" e-nail temps are

TCR 212, not 215 or 210, 21.7 watts, not 21 or 22, some very precise figures, ocelot! I wonder if this is just random or by reason? I guess bizwax is our sole PI tuner on this thread right now? Maybe we should try to tap the brains of the TC tuners who aren't DT dabbers as well....

 

[invertedisdead]

I don't have an enail yet, but a bunch of buddies do so I dab off of them frequently. None of them have a Hex Nail though so I don't really know what their actual dish temperature is. I think the next Divine Tribe could be as good as a rig though, as the crucible will provide complete vaporization of the oil like a proper nail, so none of my hit can run off the edge and get missed. I switched to a 10mm cup I found in the drawer and snipped the leads like you mentioned in one of your recent posts and it does seem to be sitting lower in the cup and working quite well. I just have no way of interfacing it with my water tools, so I can't take as big of a draw as some of my other vaporizers.

 

[Bad Ocelot]

low 500s on a quartz banger i can see, not much lower than that unless you really want to sip? I'm still wondering what inverted's "laughably low" e-nail temps are

TCR 212, not 215 or 210, 21.7 watts, not 21 or 22, some very precise figures, ocelot! I wonder if this is just random or by reason? I guess bizwax is our sole PI tuner on this thread right now? Maybe we should try to tap the brains of the TC tuners who aren't DT dabbers as well....

Haha, yep 505-555 is where I generally dab on quartz.

And regarding the odd numbers. I started off running things hot, then backed it off until things were working properly, then backed it off a further smidgen just to give myself a little room for error w/r/t riding the accelerator.

 

[skayleef]

bizwaxzion has posted about the settings he's using with the gen 2 on the TC box mod firmware thread. Although that thread is reserved for such topics, I personally don't mind seeing it cross over here too. Would be interesting to see some more PI regulation discussion here...

Thank you for pointing out bizwax post. I tried his dtv2 settings and they seem to give me more promising results.

 

[Herb Tarlek]

6 months in, DT3 rocks. Thank you FC!

I got one about six months ago, in part due to good advice from folks here. The FC discount made it a no-brainer buy. Been using it with donuts and temp control mods, and I'm happy to confirm the buzz: the product and company are indeed excellent. I use it at home everyday for that clean ceramic flavor. On the go, I like the Saionara a little better for durability.

The DT dry herb vape is great too, though I don't use it everyday. Vapes evenly but mouthpiece clogs a bit unless the grind is right. Looking forward to the DT quartz oil cup.

Props to Matt and all who lent a helping hand with info.

 

[PPN]

The DT dry herb vape is great

Yes it is! Got some free time this morning and packed succesively 3 bowls in my unit paired with a 2 batteries mod, what's a great maneer to start the day!

Definitly another underated unit, not on my DD vape list but very close. With a 2 batteries mod the autonomy is enormous and it is a very reliable atty which never failed for me (except sometime, when too hot, I have the message "new atty up, same atty down", that's all).

 

[invertedisdead]

Primo Mini is in and there's a lot to like. Very slim, narrow form factor that fits the hand great. Screen is huge and very easy to read, and the fire button is also large and easy to find. Menu layout is different from my Evic Basic but pretty similar, easier to get around with the directional buttons on the face, versus the buttons underneath my Evic Basic. Haven't loaded Arctic Fox yet but surely won't be long just to keep my profiles saved.

 

[PPN]

The DT dry Herb Generation2 atty is officially a dailydriver, I like the no efforts consistent clouds and it even handles concentrates cotton balls like no others vapes are do it. It may be the perfect tool for quitting combustion since the huge on-demands clouds there is a sort of combustion feeling (but no combusted material) and effects are high.... but we need to find it a pretty name.... the Dumbo in example ...

Plan to get one in black one of these days.... and a water pipe adapter when avalaible.... any news Matt? I can't see any wpa for the ...Dumbo.. in your website?

 

[burnnomore]

i just got a v1 Dc dry herb tank.
i really liked it the first few days but now its hard to get a good pull on it.
my kitchen toaster has a tray underneath that i can dump out the particles that accumilate
but apparently the DC guys never had a toaster in their kitchen they could buy a clue from.
paritcles and dust form the tobacco is going to fall thru those salt shaker holes..
and go where?
wont take long to fill up that little hidden airspace underneath the floor of the tank.
cant imagine how to clean it out except blowing on the C or the D ..or soaking it in water..
i doubt these are soakable devices.

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

Primo Mini is in and there's a lot to like. Very slim, narrow form factor that fits the hand great. Screen is huge and very easy to read, and the fire button is also large and easy to find. Menu layout is different from my Evic Basic but pretty similar, easier to get around with the directional buttons on the face, versus the buttons underneath my Evic Basic. Haven't loaded Arctic Fox yet but surely won't be long just to keep my profiles saved.

Nice purchase on the evic primo mini I narrowly avoided purchasing one myself recently. I tried a new ceramic RTA and if I liked it enough, I was going to buy a primo mini to pair it with, just so I can avoid switching attys on the same mod. It turned out, the new tank was not so great and I'm not using it much, so I barely dodged another mod purchase this time

What's the little atty you got on the evic basic, too?

And the wine jug is your water tool that you were talking about earlier? Nice, trying to be somewhat low-key, right? It looks like it has a standard 14mm female slot on it? If so, all you need is a male adapter/stem/elbow of some sort, and a short section of silicon tube, and one of Matt's glass adapter tips, and you can hook up your V3 to that jug and be chugging away at those bigger clouds! You might be pleasantly surprised to discover how the V3 can deliver rig-like clouds with ease when you add a little cooling

6 months in, DT3 rocks. Thank you FC!

I got one about six months ago, in part due to good advice from folks here. The FC discount made it a no-brainer buy. Been using it with donuts and temp control mods, and I'm happy to confirm the buzz: the product and company are indeed excellent. I use it at home everyday for that clean ceramic flavor. On the go, I like the Saionara a little better for durability.

The DT dry herb vape is great too, though I don't use it everyday. Vapes evenly but mouthpiece clogs a bit unless the grind is right. Looking forward to the DT quartz oil cup.

Props to Matt and all who lent a helping hand with info.

Nice review, Herb. At over 6 months, you would almost be an "early adopter" of the DT V3 donut. It feels like it's been longer, but this product hasn't even been around for a whole year yet. It was first released in October / November last year, IIRC?

DT at home, Sai on the road, you might even say you "substitute pens" for an e-nail rig?

i just got a v1 Dc dry herb tank.
i really liked it the first few days but now its hard to get a good pull on it.
my kitchen toaster has a tray underneath that i can dump out the particles that accumilate
but apparently the DC guys never had a toaster in their kitchen they could buy a clue from.
paritcles and dust form the tobacco is going to fall thru those salt shaker holes..
and go where?
wont take long to fill up that little hidden airspace underneath the floor of the tank.
cant imagine how to clean it out except blowing on the C or the D ..or soaking it in water..
i doubt these are soakable devices.

Yea, that can be a problem with the V1. Probably more-so with crumbly tobacco rather than coarsely ground flowers. That isn't much of an issue with the gen2/v2 dry herb because you can unscrew the outer housing and heater to remove all those little bits. The gen2 is much better than the first version, which seemed like a necessary stepping stone to get to the gen2. Kinda wondering why you just now got the v1?

I don't think soaking it in water or alcohol is a good idea, all you can do is blow it out. Maybe compressed air?

The DT dry Herb Generation2 atty is officially a dailydriver, I like the no efforts consistent clouds and it even handles concentrates cotton balls like no others vapes are do it. It may be the perfect tool for quitting combustion since the huge on-demands clouds there is a sort of combustion feeling (but no combusted material) and effects are high.... but we need to find it a pretty name.... the Dumbo in example ...

Plan to get one in black one of these days.... and a water pipe adapter when avalaible.... any news Matt? I can't see any wpa for the ...Dumbo.. in your website?

PPN you really love your Gen2 herb atty! Even calling it dumbo on your signature

I agree it would be nice if it had a purpose-made water adapter for 14 & 18mm glass, a male-tipped ceramic mouthpiece for the Gen2 seems appropriate.... But like I was telling inverted with the V3, it's pretty easy to rig up your own adapter if you really want to connect it to your existing glass.

All you need is a short piece of half inch (12-13mm) silicon tubing. That will connect the Gen2 mouthpiece and a 14 or 18mm male glass slot. The right male/male or male/female glass adapter probably already exists in your glass collection

 

[KeroZen]

and one of Matt's glass adapter tips

Do you have those? If yes could you please measure their internal diameter for me? Thanks!

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

Yea I have a bunch of them. They are among the glass pathways that I use in which the greatest amount of vapor passes through A key accessory for me

I'd say the ID is no more than 18mm, the poor angle and parallax of my pic aside. maybe 17

I'd figure there has to be some other attys that this may fit?

Unfortunately, these V3 donut glass adapters are a little too small for the Gen2 herb, and too big for the v2.5 donut. You wouldn't really want it on your Gen2 herb anyways, since the flowers would be able to fly out. At least you'd want to put a screen over the oven if you used this, i guess

 

[KeroZen]

That's precisely what I'm thinking about!

I noticed them back then, but I forgot about them and now your reminded me.

Thank you!

 

[burnnomore]

it was more the top ceramic screen in the dome restricting my pull.
i tried to drill the holes with no luck using a standard bit.
was going to order a diamond bit but that would take a month so
i just drove nail down thru the top and busted out a hole about the size of the nail head
and put a brass screen in there.. flows nicely now.
shame about going back to metal tho.
slightly bigger screen holes or more of them seems needed.

 

[KeroZen]

Brass?

 

[cib]

Hey everyone,
thought I'd share some fun I had calculating a proper TCR value.
With a base of resistance of ~.82 ohms, I logged the temperature rise compared to the resistance change and got this linear fit:

I compared it to the other TCR Value (and a TFR preset for some form of Nickel for kicks):

Small explanation of what the colors mean (since I'm too stoned to figure out how to label these freakin graphs LOL): The red line is the board calculated temperature based off of the TCR Value, the green is the actual temperature (I stuck a probe in the chamber), and purple is the target temperature.

Just a note, It's super hard to get it to not overshoot, I even tried playing with Arctic Fox's PID setting. Not nearly as scientific, but I ramped the P value all the way up and kept I down that ended up giving a few more degrees of accuracy, anyway. I tried to calc it, but didn't get far.

The temperature readings are also super noisy in these graphs since it's bouncing around the target temp. Kind of expected-- my little Evic vtwo mini isn't really a top of the line vape! Also I didn't make a graph of the full heat up time here, but when the temperature is rising its pretty stable (Just look at the graph above!)

Overall the TCR Value I found is about 8 degrees more accurate--nice! And probably not super worth it in the end, lol.

I also toyed around with a TFR preset from the data I gathered but honestly, given the way the TCR value is calculated here -- by getting a fit of this data with all the points vs. plucking out just 7 points (which is what TFR is limited to), and also given the temp change is such a linear response, I don't think it would add much if any improvement. At least, when I tried, it was always worse than the TCR mode.

Anyways this has officially eaten up too much of my time and it's late. Hope this is helpful!

 

[cib]

Hey everyone,
thought I'd share some fun I had calculating a proper TCR value.
With a base of resistance of ~.82 ohms, I logged the temperature rise compared to the resistance change and got this linear fit:

I compared it to the other TCR Value (and a TFR preset for some form of Nickel for kicks):

Small explanation of what the colors mean (since I'm too stoned to figure out how to label these freakin graphs LOL): The red line is the board calculated temperature based off of the TCR Value, the green is the actual temperature (I stuck a probe in the chamber), and purple is the target temperature.

Just a note, It's super hard to get it to not overshoot, I even tried playing with Arctic Fox's PID setting. Not nearly as scientific, but I ramped the P value all the way up and kept I down that ended up giving a few more degrees of accuracy, anyway. I tried to calc it, but didn't get far.

The temperature readings are also super noisy in these graphs since it's bouncing around the target temp. Kind of expected-- my little Evic vtwo mini isn't really a top of the line vape! Also I didn't make a graph of the full heat up time here, but when the temperature is rising its pretty stable (Just look at the graph above!)

Overall the TCR Value I found is about 8 degrees more accurate--nice! And probably not super worth it in the end, lol.

I also toyed around with a TFR preset from the data I gathered but honestly, given the way the TCR value is calculated here -- by getting a fit of this data with all the points vs. plucking out just 7 points (which is what TFR is limited to), and also given the temp change is such a linear response, I don't think it would add much if any improvement. At least, when I tried, it was always worse than the TCR mode.

Anyways this has officially eaten up too much of my time and it's late. Hope this is helpful!

Totally forgot to mention this is all for the DC Dry Herb V2 if anyone wants to try it out! Also the temperature is in Celsius for each graph if that wasn't clear.

Anyway, I used the DC last night and got totally blasted, and finally no visible hot spots! I also stuck the temp probe in while vaping (for research lol) and found that a fast inhale will drop the temp down by only a few degrees. With the previous TCR, I think I was overheating the herb quit a bit so I only got a few flavorful pulls (never combusted, but it was on the edge). It's still mostly green after a session keeping the temp at 180c. Overall, super pleased. I've been so obsessed with this atty honestly. I remember looking for a dry herb vape for my box mod and finding discussion threads saying only combustion was possible. Glad everyone's been proven wrong. Having accurate temp readings is so so so great too.

Have you guys seen these charts by the way?

I'm wondering if there's any real difference between temps, I guess now I can find out! MORE RESEARCH!

Would anyone be interested in a program that could calc TCR values by the way? I used this temp sensor + the Arctic Fox monitor to do the calculations, I could post it all here if people wanted to dial in accurate TCR values for the V3 donuts (which I don't have).

Ooh also, the Arctic Fox firmware allows you to trigger the atty from your computer, if I wrote a small program to read the temp from the sensor we wouldn't even have to worry about TCR, we'd just have to worry about tethering our vape to a bunch of sensors... no temp timeout and super accurate temperature readings though. It'd be soo ridiculous. I want to try it.

 

[KeroZen]

Heh, those young guns!

 

[invertedisdead]

The last public Arctic Fox release was giving me "Atomizer Short" messages constantly. Seems to be either a problem with "Smart" mode or something. The latest nightly build found in another part of their forum cleared things up right away. Some great features in the newer AF releases include a shortcut to force re-read resistance without unscrewing the atomizer. "Smart" mode is an algorithm which can automatically detect which atomizer you're using, however I found at times it would boot into the wrong profile, which was getting a bit annoying. I've since just turned it off, as I can easily change profiles manually when I want to. I might try messing with the "Lazy" mode and see if that improves anything whilst keeping the automatic functionality, but either way it's not a huge deal.

Primo Mini still getting a solid break-in, a very comfortable mod to use. Would be a great daily driver, though the Basic is still so hard to beat for portability. I hope they update the Evic basic with rounded corners like the Primo Mini so it fits the hand better. I kind of like what Smok did with their Qbox, putting the screen on the wide side of the mod. Too bad Smok puts on these huge screens with tons of tiny little text. The Primo Mini screen is a dream, and the fire button and directional controls are really comfy to operate. My Smok AL85 had the most uncomfortable fire button ever.

 

[Cool Chicky]

What settings do you use on your Alien Baby?

 

[invertedisdead]

What settings do you use on your Alien Baby?

I sent it back for the Primo Mini, but I was using something like 30 watts Ni mode 300-400F for the 13mm donuts. I run everything in TCR mode on Arctic Fox currently though.