herbivore21
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If you want SiC, you can't use an errlectric AFAIK (nails and heaters are one in romantic harmony lol). However, most other controllers (obviously including the d-nail ones) will work with SiC
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Breathemetal
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Have you tried the analog controller?
im thinking about starting with that so i can get my sic setup started a bit quicker as i still need to find a new rig for it all
im thinking about starting with that so i can get my sic setup started a bit quicker as i still need to find a new rig for it all
herbivore21
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I haven't, but there's no reason why it shouldn't be great to start with if one of the digital controllers is a bit pricey right now. It will still just be a matter of dialling in the perfect temp (I use 599f) and then you should truly be able to get the same results IMO.
I haven't used one myself, but it's just a variable resistor rotary dimmer/xlr assembly AFAIK so the analogue d-nail should work as advertised quite well.
@herbivore21 - how long does the nail take to get to operating temperature? - i.e. time to dab from cold start.
herbivore21
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Depending on your temp, between 1-2 mins I find
anasrzi
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Will be interested to see how the herbal adaptation turns out, might be well worth investment if it pans out well. I don't have a huge access to oils and concentrates right now but in the future that will change thankfully.
When using the d nail is there a huge difference in terms of taste doing dabs and the lime at lower temps, closer to vaporisation? Do these kits generally include everything needs to start with including carb cap etc?
When using the d nail is there a huge difference in terms of taste doing dabs and the lime at lower temps, closer to vaporisation? Do these kits generally include everything needs to start with including carb cap etc?
mixchu69
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I have the analog d-nail before I purchased my terpz enail. Both Work great. See no difference between the analog and digital once you get it dialed in.
The best cheap digital enail that is d-nail compatible seems to be the $70 Auber RDK-200. I've been considering the nicer looking (only extra feature is auto shut off ) $180 RDK-300.
The terpz unit looks nice, especially if you actually want to use the quartz nail, but if you are going to get the SiC nail anyway, you still have to buy a flat coil, and the SiC nail.
I just want some nerds to get all over this and make me a smart nail already. Bluetooth and schedules and stuff.
@herbivore21 I am curious if you have ever tried the VaporBrothers VB2 or VB2.5 and if so between that or a SiC d-nail, which would you recommend? The VB2.5 looks sick as hell, but I imagine functionally they (VB2.5s Silicon Nitride and the D-Nails Silicon Carbide) are fairly similar.
The terpz unit looks nice, especially if you actually want to use the quartz nail, but if you are going to get the SiC nail anyway, you still have to buy a flat coil, and the SiC nail.
I just want some nerds to get all over this and make me a smart nail already. Bluetooth and schedules and stuff.
@herbivore21 I am curious if you have ever tried the VaporBrothers VB2 or VB2.5 and if so between that or a SiC d-nail, which would you recommend? The VB2.5 looks sick as hell, but I imagine functionally they (VB2.5s Silicon Nitride and the D-Nails Silicon Carbide) are fairly similar.
herbivore21
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Hi there, thank you for so patiently awaiting my response!
There is a massive taste difference at lower temps. This is as true of Ti as it is of Quartz and even SiC (although the latter tastes somewhat better at what would normally be unreasonably high temps). The reason that enails are so much more useful than torch nails is because it allows us to be sure of that perfect low temp dab every time
The kits are not priced including a carb cap nor your choice of nail. However you have options to add these things at a discounted price from what you would pay just buying them all at separate items. I recommend the D-nail universal carb 2.0 for any of the ti or SiC offerings for enails. The quartz carbs are best for the quartz nails (pukinbeagle that is, never tried the Darkcrystal ones myself).
Glad to hear you will have access to concentrates soon
It is a great thing to have indeed my friend!I have good news: I just hit the d-nail herb nail for the maybe 20th time, and really have enjoyed it. It is not a fool-proof anyone can use it no holds bar cloud and flavor machine. Still; a fellow vaporist tells me it tastes like the Vapexhale cloud and I believe it, I've never tasted anything as good as this, it tastes better than the Mighty!!!!! In my experience, this is the tastiest vape I've used yet.
However, it may look sorta like a glass sub, but it is most certainly not like the sub to hit.
You cannot hit the herb nail with a super hard draw like you would on the sub. The hot air goes through the material way too quickly and it doesn't vaporize.
Also, if you jack the temp up too high, you will for sure get hotspots or combustion (like the E-nano/LSV, actually the kind of draw that works best is the same kinda draw best on these vapes). If you fill the bowl too full you'll also get hotspots coz part of the load is too close to the heater (imagine a load in the Mighty/Crafty, that's maybe too much, I've not weighed my bowls but I would guess .1-.2 maybe is an ideal load size). Too small of a load and you won't get bluewall.
Yes bluewall... this thing gives tasty, tasty effortless bluewall. Yup, I would call it whitewall but for herb vapes I believe that term should be mostly reserved for the sublimator lol. The vapor seems to be more blue (but super thick and satisfying, this is not thin vapor, there is no see-through part of the piece). No real draw resistance to speak of for those wondering.
For those who want huge, satisfying hits with a leisurely slow pull and IMO unparalleled taste, the flower adapter is great. Remember though that if you wanna do huge hard fast draws like you might on a Sub or Mighty, this is probably not the vape for you. I did burn myself pretty badly on the glass stand that I had a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too hot heater sitting upon (this is before I realized slow pull is important) but otherwise, I regret nothing!
Guess who is using flowers a little more again everybody!? lol
Definitely brother, basically if you get the temp right, you should have no problems regardless of the controller you use
The best cheap digital enail that is d-nail compatible seems to be the $70 Auber RDK-200. I've been considering the nicer looking (only extra feature is auto shut off ) $180 RDK-300.
The terpz unit looks nice, especially if you actually want to use the quartz nail, but if you are going to get the SiC nail anyway, you still have to buy a flat coil, and the SiC nail.
I just want some nerds to get all over this and make me a smart nail already. Bluetooth and schedules and stuff.
@herbivore21 I am curious if you have ever tried the VaporBrothers VB2 or VB2.5 and if so between that or a SiC d-nail, which would you recommend? The VB2.5 looks sick as hell, but I imagine functionally they (VB2.5s Silicon Nitride and the D-Nails Silicon Carbide) are fairly similar.
Actually, I for one don't want smart enails. I am not interested in using any mmj device that uses wireless networking standards since this to me seems more like a security liability, living in a prohibition jurisdiction. Still, I can confirm that not everybody agrees with me and you will have some options emerging that I believe will be to your liking in the not too distant future
I haven't used the VB2 and won't because I live a long way from the manufacturer and as good as I have seen them to be helping customers (quite good actually!), I have been led to understand that these units seem to have failures quite frequently which require return shipping. That makes this out of the question for me. The VB 2.5 however looks great, and I hear runs very well. I'd love to try one someday, but silicon nitride would be much the same tasting as SiC I'm sure, they are similarly inert ceramics with similar properties (but SiN is not so heat resistant and releases harmful ammonia offgas if it degrades due to heat - this shouldn't be an issue in the VB 2.5 except in the case of some kind of serious malfunction which nobody has yet experienced and is more a consideration for torch nails than enails, since the temps that SiN start to degrade are higher than any sane person would set an enail heater).
If you asked me, I would recommend the SiC unless you specifically need to protect yourself from burning yourself by accidentally touching an enail (or protect children or pets from the same).
The VB 2.5 does benefit from the lack of metal heating element too but is way more expensive (and way more expensive than a d-nail product, as we know, is fucking expensive!), and when connected to a non hydratube piece has a much longer airpath using the VB 2.5 all glass adapter which creates additional space for your errl to recondense before getting into your airways (more reclaim, less high if you are doing super low temp dabs).
IMO unless you absolutely cannot compromise on having a hot enail exposed because of your own safety/pets/children, I don't think the additional expense is justified. Still, it is ultimately your decision to weigh up the pros and cons
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UnixRasta
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Just to throw in my 
and get this thread moving...
I purchased my D-Nail in August 2014 along with a Hive ceramic nail and ceramic carb cap.
I have a ready supply of various shatters, waxes etc out here in SoCal.
I usually dab in the 600f-700f range, depending on the consistency of the concentrate.
I absolutely love this D-Nail. I have already sold my Herbalizer and FireFly,
and plan to sell my PAX, Solo and Air soon. I have no need for flower devices anymore.
The strength and duration of dabs from the D-Nail makes anything else an afterthought.
I thought about the Errlectric but do not like the attached nails or the metal braid on their heater cables,
versus the kevlar on the D-Nail heater cords.
I also like the fact that the D-Nail has separate switches for the power and the heater.
I do like the self-cleaning feature of the Errlectric and think that D-Nail should add this feature.
and get this thread moving...I purchased my D-Nail in August 2014 along with a Hive ceramic nail and ceramic carb cap.
I have a ready supply of various shatters, waxes etc out here in SoCal.
I usually dab in the 600f-700f range, depending on the consistency of the concentrate.
I absolutely love this D-Nail. I have already sold my Herbalizer and FireFly,
and plan to sell my PAX, Solo and Air soon. I have no need for flower devices anymore.
The strength and duration of dabs from the D-Nail makes anything else an afterthought.
I thought about the Errlectric but do not like the attached nails or the metal braid on their heater cables,
versus the kevlar on the D-Nail heater cords.
I also like the fact that the D-Nail has separate switches for the power and the heater.
I do like the self-cleaning feature of the Errlectric and think that D-Nail should add this feature.
herbivore21
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Sounds like you've had a very similar experience to me in terms of flowers vs dabs. If you get into rosin, I heartily recommend having a flower adapter on hand (you will get tasty clouds for days from rosin chipsJust to throw in my
I purchased my D-Nail in August 2014 along with a Hive ceramic nail and ceramic carb cap.
I have a ready supply of various shatters, waxes etc out here in SoCal.
I usually dab in the 600f-700f range, depending on the consistency of the concentrate.
I absolutely love this D-Nail. I have already sold my Herbalizer and FireFly,
and plan to sell my PAX, Solo and Air soon. I have no need for flower devices anymore.
The strength and duration of dabs from the D-Nail makes anything else an afterthought.
I thought about the Errlectric but do not like the attached nails or the metal braid on their heater cables,
versus the kevlar on the D-Nail heater cords.
I also like the fact that the D-Nail has separate switches for the power and the heater.
I do like the self-cleaning feature of the Errlectric and think that D-Nail should add this feature.
).With regard to the self cleaning thing, I actually prefer to clean my SiC dish with a blowtorch, detached from my rig and saving my heater coils some
Of course, with ceramic you should not expose it to this thermal shock so cleaning with heater coil becomes necessary. It would be sweet to have a self-cleaning setting on future d-nails for those using other kinds of nails, even if I do know they are moving in the SiC direction
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UnixRasta
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Sounds like you've had a very similar experience to me in terms of flowers vs dabs. If you get into rosin, I heartily recommend having a flower adapter on hand (you will get tasty clouds for days from rosin chips
With regard to the self cleaning thing, I actually prefer to clean my SiC dish with a blowtorch, detached from my rig and saving my heater coils some
Speaking of rosen, is that what the new D-Nail heat press is all about?
http://www.d-nail.com/heat-press
Yea I set my D-Nail to 900f for about 10-15 minutes and the Hive ceramic auto-cleans itself.
Pretty amazing, all of the residual is completely removed. It looks brand new again.
I had tried the various Pxtract PX waxes with my D-Nail but I had significant residue after just a few sessions
and the smell was terrible! I even tried various temps from 500f to 800f, all with the same results.
I have since gone back to Moxie trim run shatters which are about the same price point as the PX.
I would love to do nothing but Moxie live resin all the time on my D-Nail, but they are cost prohibitive at this point.
Hopefully sometime in the near future we will see <$100 grams of this same high quality shatter but I kind of doubt it.
Both Chubbs and Nick420CA have broken it down on youtube, explaining why top shelf shatter can cost $100/g.
That is one of my favorite things about the D-Nail though.
It is so efficient, especially when compared to these so-called vape pens.
I do smaller, more frequent dabs at precise temps and stay at a certain plateau all night long!
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mrgohamilton
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c0rrect, its just a big ass shirt press to make rosen with lol. they're on "presale" right now but somehow one of my buddies got his hands on one.
also, its nice to see D-nail lowering their prices on everything
update for everyone: supposedly both the plates can be set to different temperatures. the plates are teflon coated aluminum. the price is 335$ for the small (5.5" x 5.5" (30.25 sq in) plates) , and 470$ for the Large {15" x 15" (225 sq in)}. pressure settings can also be changed to allow different pressure applied when used. Here's their F&Q for it http://www.d-nail.com/info/d-nail-heat-press-faqs/
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Just saw the IG post for the Quartz Halo dish. Looks like it will work with the sapphire insert as well! Hopefully they come out with a matching carb too..
TheEnglishCut
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And now they've done some Sapphire Halo dishes too, expect a 'lofty price tag' lol.
Gonna be amazing though.
I'm patiently waiting for my 220v D-Nail with SIC nail. Cleared customs on monday, hope it's here before the weekend!
Excellent customer service by the way, these guys really do go the extra mile.
Gonna be amazing though.
I'm patiently waiting for my 220v D-Nail with SIC nail. Cleared customs on monday, hope it's here before the weekend!
Excellent customer service by the way, these guys really do go the extra mile.
TheEnglishCut
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Based on some of the stuff they have said about the rosin press. My guess is they are making a version of the press where you use silicone instead of parchment. But total BS guess.
Monsoon
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Here's the current situation that they posted on Facebook last week. TL;DR, they're on a boat in the Pacific right now.
Dear Valued Customer,
You are receiving this message because you have a D-NAIL® Heat Press on Pre-Order Reservation, and we have an update in regards to shipping time-frames.
The good news is that everything is beginning to move from the production process and towards the shipping of the first batch. The bad news is that there will be a delay due to circumstances that we did not anticipate.
We had originally expected the main portion of the first batch within the next two weeks. However, a large industrial explosion shut down all factories in the region while they could be inspected for damage. Everything is fine, up and running, just delayed.
In order to expedite the shipping of the heat presses for Pre-Order fulfillment, we will be involving our new West Coast branch. Between both offices, all hands will be on deck to immediately begin processing the heat presses the day they arrive.
The entire project is moving extremely quickly, and we are working very hard on it. Looking ahead, we will be devoting an entire R/D team to just to the presses.
Everything ordered so far is coming with some freebies (screens and/or parchment mostly).
While we wish there was better news, we're doing the best we can with what we have. As always, we appreciate your support and understanding.
Without you, we couldn't do what we do.
Sincerely,
Brian Schroeder
Owner
herbivore21
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You can be sure you'll be compensated for the delay bro, they gave all of us free sapphire inserts on the SiC dish first run final prototype (that ended up the current dish) pre-order that got delayed
saved me having to order a new one when the first one broke lol
Likes2vape
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I really want to get the sic nail and was wondering if I could use the domeless 710 whip with it? The 710 whip uses a flat ceramic heater so I think it would work. Has anyone tried this set up?
herbivore21
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I haven't although I have used a 710whip - but you know, it might just be possible! Be careful not to snap the flat ceramic heater by overtightening the sic dish to base though!