Crafty/Crafty+ by Storz & Bickel

[Justpassedu]

Well I decided to part with my air, basically the same as the solo hoping it will be much better. I liked my air and solo but I wanted something that delivered a heavy punch. Randy from PIU hooked me up and the Crafty will be here sometime Friday!

You will def be happy , The Crafty delivers a heavier punch over the air that is for sure but the air is also good to have , it tastes a bit better and holds a longer charge and is def a good companion to the crafty.

 

[Thcgos]

You will def be happy , The Crafty delivers a heavier punch over the air that is for sure but the air is also good to have , it tastes a bit better and holds a longer charge and is def a good companion to the crafty.

I kept my all my portable vapes, and let me tell you, the crafty blows them all away.
The only one I bring out on occasions is the solo.
It's flavour is better, but only for the first 3 draws... After that it goes downhill very quickly... The crafty has more consistent flavour right till the end and has cooler vapor too.

But as you stated, a good companion/backup vape.

 

[solodolo420]

Keep the air/solo as a backup. You might need it

The reason why I sold my Air for it was because I got 140 for it and since I got the Crafty for 280 I only had to pay 140 for the upgrade. I will still keep my solo though for a backup portable but I will miss my air.

You will def be happy , The Crafty delivers a heavier punch over the air that is for sure but the air is also good to have , it tastes a bit better and holds a longer charge and is def a good companion to the crafty.

I kept my all my portable vapes, and let me tell you, the crafty blows them all away.
The only one I bring out on occasions is the solo.
It's flavour is better, but only for the first 3 draws... After that it goes downhill very quickly... The crafty has more consistent flavour right till the end and has cooler vapor too.

But as you stated, a good companion/backup vape.

That is both really assuring to hear, thank you for sharing your thoughts!

 

[Justpassedu]

The reason why I sold my Air for it was because I got 140 for it and since I got the Crafty for 280 I only had to pay 140 for the upgrade. I will still keep my solo though for a backup portable but I will miss my air.


That is both really assuring to hear, thank you for sharing your thoughts!

Cool , we'll if you also got a solo then you are good. I did not know that. They are related and work the same way. Best of luck with your crafty.

 

[Frandemarco]

Keep the air/solo as a backup. You might need it

Yea most likely you wil

 

[joeblowssmoke]

Thanks right back at you for your valuable feedback on the Crafty. I guess it makes me feel a bit better that I sold mine, and am very happy with the Solo for home........ but...... nothing compared to the Crafty for ultra stealth for me personally, but I think the Mighty has it beat on longevity....just don't hear of as many breaking down and being sent in as the Crafty.

How is your new one heading in the same direction? Sounds like it's battery related?

Funny you ask, it just died about 6 hours ago. What I meant was that things such as the slow heat up times and whatnot were beginning to show up more and more. You can feel how it sort of craps out over time. And this just confirms that I could tell it was about to die.

 

[solodolo420]

Wow, incredibly fast shipping. The Crafty came a day early and so far I really am enjoying it. I've had a couple friends over who've tried as well and thought it was awesome. I've enjoyed the crafty more when it was just me that was hitting it, does anyone else feel the same way thats it not really a type of vape to share with a friend?

 

[smokie]

Yes the crafty is definitely a personal vape. I have just upgraded to mighty after second crafty has died. First crafty I got 75hrs and second crafty was on 152hrs but had reduced performance for a while before it died.
Storz and Bickel have provided excellent service both times.
The emails have been answered within 24hrs.
I'm dealing with s&b Germany.

 

[Roth]

Wow, incredibly fast shipping. The Crafty came a day early and so far I really am enjoying it. I've had a couple friends over who've tried as well and thought it was awesome. I've enjoyed the crafty more when it was just me that was hitting it, does anyone else feel the same way thats it not really a type of vape to share with a friend?

Yes, very much agree that the Crafty is more a personal vape. I find that with multiple people/bowls, it gets too hot and needs to cool down.

The Mighty is much more suited to a small group.

 

[vapviking]

Yes the crafty is definitely a personal vape. I have just upgraded to mighty after second crafty has died. First crafty I got 75hrs and second crafty was on 152hrs but had reduced performance for a while before it died.
Storz and Bickel have provided excellent service both times.
The emails have been answered within 24hrs.
I'm dealing with s&b Germany.

I'm curious whether S&B gave you some consideration on your upgrade? Warranty replacement of Crafty?
Sorry to pry, but I'd like to compare with my experience of the 'upgrade' process.
I've not regretted my 'upgrade' from Crafty one bit! The Mighty is just terrific. I made a Muzzmod the other day and things are definitely looking up!

 

[Hotz]

It's happening guys

My crafty is falling apart, every week we seem that some plastic part breaks, but so far believe that none came to affect performance. Anyone know if it's viable try to glue that part of the socket? She fixed perfectly, but do not know if it worth trying paste.

Let the unit fall 2 times, but all were from a height of no more than 40 cm, and is a long time ago, now he simply falloff

Usage: 115 hours
Temp: 190

 

[vapviking]

It's happening guys

My crafty is falling apart, every week we seem that some plastic part breaks, but so far believe that none came to affect performance. Anyone know if it's viable try to glue that part of the socket? She fixed perfectly, but do not know if it worth trying paste.

Let the unit fall 2 times, but all were from a height of no more than 40 cm, and is a long time ago, now he simply dropped

That's an old** one!. There's a newer housing that's been upgraded/reinforced at those weak points. I think you could easily get yours replaced for an improved model.
It doesn't appear that there's much there that would actually be glue-surface, and these areas are under stress when tightening the c/u in place. I don't see good chances for successful repair. (I've had the very same break happen)

Edit;
** I guess that's a relative term with these vapes!

 

[solodolo420]

Anyone know what the latest firmware is? Mine is V02.08

 

[Mr. Me2]

I haven't heard of anything later than that

 

[Hotz]

That's an old** one!. There's a newer housing that's been upgraded/reinforced at those weak points. I think you could easily get yours replaced for an improved model.
It doesn't appear that there's much there that would actually be glue-surface, and these areas are under stress when tightening the c/u in place. I don't see good chances for successful repair. (I've had the very same break happen)

Your broke in the same place? They accepted replace only this failure?

 

[vapviking]

Your broke in the same place? They accepted replace only this failure?

My first Crafty did break in the same place. That's why I felt I could respond about you repairing it yourself. That one was also developing problems with overheating/shutting off due to overheating, taking a very long time to charge, so I had to send it in for those reasons. The replacement had the reinforced housing. So that's a weakness that they've acknowledged by their own correction.
Your piece is also using older firmware (by 2 or 3 versions) than is being shipped.
I think I'm merely suggesting that you have some strong argument for warranty replacement. The anecdotes here seem to say that the housing and firmware are not simply replaced, instead they ship a new Crafty.
S&B are typically very good with customer support.

 

[Hotz]

My first Crafty did break in the same place. That's why I felt I could respond about you repairing it yourself. That one was also developing problems with overheating/shutting off due to overheating, taking a very long time to charge, so I had to send it in for those reasons. The replacement had the reinforced housing. So that's a weakness that they've acknowledged by their own correction.
Your piece is also using older firmware (by 2 or 3 versions) than is being shipped.
I think I'm merely suggesting that you have some strong argument for warranty replacement. The anecdotes here seem to say that the housing and firmware are not simply replaced, instead they ship a new Crafty.
S&B are typically very good with customer support.

thank you for your reply, much appreciated

For now he is running fine, I will continue using it until present some other issues (which will probably come after all have much time guarantee yet)

My situation is a bit complicated, the country where I live prohibits trade vaporizers, then I must try to send the device as aromatizer hehe, I might end up losing for surveillance.

 

[Vital]

thank you for your reply, much appreciated

For now he is running fine, I will continue using it until present some other issues (which will probably come after all have much time guarantee yet)

My situation is a bit complicated, the country where I live prohibits trade vaporizers, then I must try to send the device as aromatizer hehe, I might end up losing for surveillance.

Do they prohibit aroma therapy?

 

[Frandemarco]

Funny you ask, it just died about 6 hours ago. What I meant was that things such as the slow heat up times and whatnot were beginning to show up more and more. You can feel how it sort of craps out over time. And this just confirms that I could tell it was about to

It's happening guys

My crafty is falling apart, every week we seem that some plastic part breaks, but so far believe that none came to affect performance. Anyone know if it's viable try to glue that part of the socket? She fixed perfectly, but do not know if it worth trying paste.

Let the unit fall 2 times, but all were from a height of no more than 40 cm, and is a long time ago, now he simply falloff

Usage: 115 hours
Temp: 190[/QUOTE

Another one bites the dust tsk tsk

 

[mixchu69]

My first Crafty did break in the same place. That's why I felt I could respond about you repairing it yourself. That one was also developing problems with overheating/shutting off due to overheating, taking a very long time to charge, so I had to send it in for those reasons. The replacement had the reinforced housing. So that's a weakness that they've acknowledged by their own correction.
Your piece is also using older firmware (by 2 or 3 versions) than is being shipped.
I think I'm merely suggesting that you have some strong argument for warranty replacement. The anecdotes here seem to say that the housing and firmware are not simply replaced, instead they ship a new Crafty.
S&B are typically very good with customer support.

I had an early mighty purchased a year ago(#1000) and saw degradation in performance recently. I sent it to S&B (purchased directly from them) and they said I had a battery problem and sent me an invoice for $90. I told them that I don't want to pay but still wanted my housing and firmware upgraded. I will use it as a plug-in.

I received it today, came in the same box I sent, with a note stating that they just upgraded my housing and firmware, but is the same mighty I sent in. However, it looks new (they cleaned it and the bowl looks like a new unit) with a new serial number in the 27,000. I'm charging it now. Do you guys think it's a new one? If it was new, I'd expect a new box. I apologize for posting in crafty thread but read vapvikings comment and maybe they learned to fix it without sending out new units.

 

[vapviking]

I had an early mighty purchased a year ago(#1000) and saw degradation in performance recently. I sent it to S&B (purchased directly from them) and they said I had a battery problem and sent me an invoice for $90. I told them that I don't want to pay but still wanted my housing and firmware upgraded. I will use it as a plug-in.

I received it today, came in the same box I sent, with a note stating that they just upgraded my housing and firmware, but is the same mighty I sent in. However, it looks new (they cleaned it and the bowl looks like a new unit) with a new serial number in the 27,000. I'm charging it now. Do you guys think it's a new one? If it was new, I'd expect a new box. I apologize for posting in crafty thread but read vapvikings comment and maybe they learned to fix it without sending out new units.

Well, this is interesting.
Was this service done in CA or Germany? It was a hand written note about the service?
Are you noticing improved performance (battery in particular?), over the way it was when you sent it in? It sure sounds like a new one, given the new serial number. No new box is not the usual. Maybe they are getting more into some actual repairs now, rather than just replacements?
I do think the tale will be told by the battery life you're getting now. Please let us know. They did tell you you needed batteries!
Bet you still got a new cooling unit, though!

 

[Vital]

I had an early mighty purchased a year ago(#1000) and saw degradation in performance recently. I sent it to S&B (purchased directly from them) and they said I had a battery problem and sent me an invoice for $90. I told them that I don't want to pay but still wanted my housing and firmware upgraded. I will use it as a plug-in.

I received it today, came in the same box I sent, with a note stating that they just upgraded my housing and firmware, but is the same mighty I sent in. However, it looks new (they cleaned it and the bowl looks like a new unit) with a new serial number in the 27,000. I'm charging it now. Do you guys think it's a new one? If it was new, I'd expect a new box. I apologize for posting in crafty thread but read vapvikings comment and maybe they learned to fix it without sending out new units.

The Mighty and Crafty have a two year warranty. If yours was under warranty, what you should do is ask for a pre paid mailer. They don't usually offer them; but if you ask for one they will give it to you. In short here is the answer. You have a brand new unit. They don't waste time fixing units under warranty. Its easier to send you a new one. They normally tell you to remove the Cooling Unit, and send in ONLY the Mighty or Crafty; if its under warranty you used to get a new box that's sealed from the factory. In your case since you said the box was your old box; you can be pretty sure that they replaced your unit with a new one. This video should give you a good idea of why they don't bother reparing them. Once you see it you will never look at a Crafty the same way again.

If I had to guess Storz & Bickel sent them a bunch of replacement units that aren't boxed. It was probably getting expensive giving people new cooling units, power cords, grinders, filling tools, and brushes. Oh yes; and lets not forget the spare parts bag. The people that paid $469 for them when they first came out were given brand new boxed units when they sent them in for service; if you got it after they marked the price down to its current level; it would make more sense to just take yours out and use it for parts while they send you a brand new unit. I know they say they don't cover batteries; if they know it's something that was defective they can replace the unit at their discretion (if they feel like it). Just remember you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar...

 

[mixchu69]

Well, this is interesting.
Was this service done in CA or Germany? It was a hand written note about the service?
Are you noticing improved performance (battery in particular?), over the way it was when you sent it in? It sure sounds like a new one, given the new serial number. No new box is not the usual. Maybe they are getting more into some actual repairs now, rather than just replacements?
I do think the tale will be told by the battery life you're getting now. Please let us know. They did tell you you needed batteries!
Bet you still got a new cooling unit, though!

I did get a new cooling unit. I purchased it for the $469. I bet it is new, but there is A note saying it is my old mighty.



I will let you guys know this weekend if it is new.

Edit: I did get prepaid postage.

 

[biohacker]

I had an early mighty purchased a year ago(#1000) and saw degradation in performance recently. I sent it to S&B (purchased directly from them) and they said I had a battery problem and sent me an invoice for $90. I told them that I don't want to pay but still wanted my housing and firmware upgraded. I will use it as a plug-in.

Curious what the symptoms of degradation in performance were?

Also found a good write-up of a Crafty-Solo comparison as we've been discussing over at the Solo thread. I can definitely echo this comparison with my own experience with both vapes:

So I took @biohacker's suggestions and loaded up equal weight bowls in a Solo and a Crafty last night.

With 0.05g through water at max temp (210ºC/410ºF on both vapes) with a 1 min heat soak the Solo actually produced a decent cloud. The Crafty didn't produce much but the load was comically small for the Crafty's bowl. It didn't even cover the bottom.

With 0.10g the Crafty was maybe 2/3 full and produced two nice clouds. The Solo was pretty full since I use a domed screen and produced 2 clouds as well and they actually weren't much smaller than the Crafty. I had thought with a mostly full bowl the Crafty would blow the Solo away but it wasn't actually significantly better.

Dry on the other hand I think the Crafty produces better vapor. This exercise has helped me get a better of what situations call for which vape. The Solo seems to be better for small loads, water vaping, or long sessions while the Crafty is better for quick dry sessions or the rare vape on the go.

Is it true that S&B products never go on sale? I have watched the prices increase since release, for example - here in Canada - the Mighty was released at $399cdn and the Crafty was $339cdn IIRC. Then the cost shot up to $469 for the Mighty and 399 for crafty because over the USD difference, and now a crafty goes for 429 and Mighty 510! I assume black friday, christmas, and 4/20 sales won't mean much for S&B products? I always see places like TorontoV say their sales don't cover S&B.

It's just too bad that the battery replacement costs are so high!

 

[Mr. Me2]

Curious what the symptoms of degradation in performance were?

Also found a good write-up of a Crafty-Solo comparison as we've been discussing over at the Solo thread. I can definitely echo this comparison with my own experience with both vapes:



Is it true that S&B products never go on sale? I have watched the prices increase since release, for example - here in Canada - the Mighty was released at $399cdn and the Crafty was $339cdn IIRC. Then the cost shot up to $469 for the Mighty and 399 for crafty because over the USD difference, and now a crafty goes for 429 and Mighty 510! I assume black friday, christmas, and 4/20 sales won't mean much for S&B products? I always see places like TorontoV say their sales don't cover S&B.

It's just too bad that the battery replacement costs are so high!

Puffitup and Vapornation offer discounts to fc'ers that includes S&B.