Concentrates for Noobs - Q&A

[DieHard]

^I've never heard anybody wanting chlorophyl in their dabbing products,for ingestion of edibles/tinctures/oil it would be another matter of course,sure you didn't mean that?
Besides the residue it only adds a bitter unpleasant taste as far as i know.
It is indeed ususally responsible for any green colouration,generally it's the shorter the soak time the clearer the concentrate.

Yes! ^^^ like he said. I agree chlorophyll=not good for flavor of dabbing oils!

 

[vakedcow]

Yes! ^^^ like he said. I agree chlorophyll=not good for flavor of dabbing oils!

I agree on conduction dabs on a nail, on cotton in a nano I do not seem to be able to taste that harshness.
So I'd say for convection dabs chlorophyl seems to be a minor factor.

 

[Magic9]

I sandwich it between flower in the UD. I have no problems with taste that way. Taste pure and clean, but is a little harsh. As long as it's safe though, I'm all in.

 

[NickDlow]

I performed my first keif run ever. 1.25 grams of assorted high grade keif went in a mason jar along with some KX. I didnt time because I was doing a long wash anyway. Also I shook vigorously too. It had produced .75 grams of dark golden shatter. 60% return!! Idk if that's avg for keif runs, if someone else knows the avg return or if you've done any keif runs general please let me know.

 

[TeeJay1952]

Freezing kief jar. Report in 2 days.
Wow is that a beauty! Give a vape test report.

 

[DrRishi]

Got myself a tube and did my first BHO blast. I had 20g of small buds left over from my last harvest. Loaded them up into the tube and blasted (outside of course!). I used a pyrex dish with an oil slick pad and blasted directly onto the pad. Kept the pyrex warm in a second pyrex dish filled with hot water. The butane evaporated very quickly. Once it was basically "dry" I bought it indoors and put it on my skillet to finish it of. When I saw no more bubbles I bought it together and heated it again to get rid of as much butane as possible. I repeated the heating twice. I now have a blond substance somewhere between shatter and honeycomb. Taste is fantastic but not happy that it is totally purged so I will invest in a vacuum setup.

The taste alone has convinced me to move from QWISO to BHO. Don't get me wrong I still love the QWISO I have made and it does the job but the way I have processed it it has lost most of its taste. I also find the BHO method actually much simpler that QWISO and that did surprise me. I was always a little "scared" of BHO but after the initial blast everything is really pretty safe. With QWISO you have a much longer period before it has evaporated and those fumes are nasty!

 

[DieHard]

Got myself a tube and did my first BHO blast. I had 20g of small buds left over from my last harvest. Loaded them up into the tube and blasted (outside of course!). I used a pyrex dish with an oil slick pad and blasted directly onto the pad. Kept the pyrex warm in a second pyrex dish filled with hot water. The butane evaporated very quickly. Once it was basically "dry" I bought it indoors and put it on my skillet to finish it of. When I saw no more bubbles I bought it together and heated it again to get rid of as much butane as possible. I repeated the heating twice. I now have a blond substance somewhere between shatter and honeycomb. Taste is fantastic but not happy that it is totally purged so I will invest in a vacuum setup.

The taste alone has convinced me to move from QWISO to BHO. Don't get me wrong I still love the QWISO I have made and it does the job but the way I have processed it it has lost most of its taste. I also find the BHO method actually much simpler that QWISO and that did surprise me. I was always a little "scared" of BHO but after the initial blast everything is really pretty safe. With QWISO you have a much longer period before it has evaporated and those fumes are nasty!

I would not recommend blasting directly on a oil slick pad. Butane reacts with silicone. You would be better off with PTFE sheet or directly on pyrex (scraping does suck, but peace of mind doesn't). IMHO.

 

[DrRishi]

I would not recommend blasting directly on a oil slick pad. Butane reacts with silicone. You would be better off with PTFE sheet or directly on pyrex (scraping does suck, but peace of mind doesn't). IMHO.

According to the guys from OilSlick they have changed their pads so there is no problem blasting directly onto them. From what I have read its better to blast into the OilSlick pad than into PTFE.
Problem is that there is so much information out there it is difficult to sift though it and extract the usefull (accurate) stuff.

 

[Monsoon]

According to the guys from OilSlick they have changed their pads so there is no problem blasting directly onto them. From what I have read its better to blast into the OilSlick pad than into PTFE.
Problem is that there is so much information out there it is difficult to sift though it and extract the usefull (accurate) stuff.

Not quite, they made them safer to blast on since people were doing it anyway but they still don't recommend it. Best case, toss the pad as soon as it shows wear/degradation.

Source: OilSlick

 

[spoutti]

The oil slick pads are safe tp use with iso, not ethanol and butane. Teflon oil slick sheets seems like the safest less reactive material to use, after pyrex of course.

Thats me having learned concentrates sifting through fc infos and reporting.

 

[NickDlow]

Ptfe all the way!

 

[herbivore21]

I agree on conduction dabs on a nail, on cotton in a nano I do not seem to be able to taste that harshness.
So I'd say for convection dabs chlorophyl seems to be a minor factor.

This was something I pointed out in the nano thread about 6 months ago A conduction dab on a nail isn't going to taste great unless your oils are pristine. A sub par dab in a convection setup will taste way better than it will on a nail.

Removing chlorophyll is top of my priority list at the moment! Noone likes a dirty black nail after every dab! lol

 

[DrRishi]

Before I run my next batch I want to be sure I have it right. Concensus seems to be don't blast directltly onto an OilSlick pad but it IS OK to blast directly onto the OilSlick PTFE sheets?

I have a roll of PTFE from OilSlick so I will give it try.

I just got my 1.5 gallon BestValueVacs vac chamber and vacuum pump. I should be all set now to make clean healthy BHO!

So I just put some QWISO I made into the vac chamber. I was amazed how many big bubbles came out of it. I always thought I had purged my QWISO pretty well. I assume its the ISO evaporating out or is it something else?

 

[Havelock Vetenari]

In qwiso i'd assume the bubbles are either terpenes or simply trapped air.

 

[spoutti]

I just finished my nicest batch of shatter yet. 1st Absolute I should say! 1st, tx to the experienced and the newb in this tread. You made this concentrate endeavour possible. Special kudos to @farscaper to have pointed me the absolute way; I will aim at absolute for my next runs as well.

THE mistake. Thin layer qwet purging isnt enough. There is ethanol left. I didnt do the double boiler extra purging thinking 90F with a vertical pc fan blasting was enough.

It needs an extra heat (I did it at around 180F) for under an hour. 30min might be enough. Now I need more exp to see the difference between ethanol and decarbing CO2 bubbles. I over did it to be sure I have as less ethanol as I can without a vac purge.

The difference between so-so purged qwet and well purged absolute qwet is amazing. Ridiculous easy fold and peel collection and smoother vapors. Now I understand the ease so talked about with the oil slick ptfe sheet.

 

[amberevil]

Congratulations @spoutti , it sounds like you might have more of what people would call pull and snap consistency. Looks like shatter for the most part but when you brake a dab off its a little more of a sap and not a shattery brake. Personally I like a little pull and snap to my consintrait. When you have a full shatter, too much of it ends up not on the nail. But im just guessing from the temp you purged at. If you ever want to step it up I recommend best value vacs. They are so cheap compared to what you get. The customer service is also great, they were able to help with all my needs and problems.

 

[herbivore21]

Congratulations @spoutti , it sounds like you might have more of what people would call pull and snap consistency. Looks like shatter for the most part but when you brake a dab off its a little more of a sap and not a shattery brake. Personally I like a little pull and snap to my consintrait. When you have a full shatter, too much of it ends up not on the nail. But im just guessing from the temp you purged at. If you ever want to step it up I recommend best value vacs. They are so cheap compared to what you get. The customer service is also great, they were able to help with all my needs and problems.

I love stretch-n-snap but the problem is that this indicates presence of waxes/other inactives which I do not want. I have recently gravitated towards treating my oils like medicine - that means I want absolutely nothing but actives (terps/cannabinoids). I also prefer cannabinoids in their carboxilic acid form (shatter) to their decarbed counterparts. All of my oils are now sterilized and kept that way when completed.

I can feel such a difference on my throat, especially when I wake up in the mornings! This is attributable to the lack of waxes/other inactives which add to the throat irritation of breathing in stuff other than oxygen in such high volumes.

I also notice that the high is much more pleasant, clearer and much more functional! I also find the high to be much more psychadelic with some strains!

I am not saying that thou shalt do what I do, but this is fucking sweet!

 

[NickDlow]

This might be more on topic here rather than a picture thread

@DieHard @NickDlow @herbivore21 hey guys- my Tek is pretty low to be honest. I have had mixed success. To be honest a couple of months back I thought I had a method down but I have since gone backwards at a rapid rate. I do either QWISO or QWET runs, either with fresh nugs or AVB. Recently I have been using ISO and I find it much more difficult to get the same results as I do with Ethanol. I need to get my hands on some ethanol but it has been a bit hard to find lately.

My method is something like;
-break up buds and winterizse in a mason jar overnight.
- 30 seconds of vigorous shaking with iso, 3 x 30 seconds shaking with 1 minute intervals with ethanol.
- I have tried a few different filtering methods recently and this is one area I have gone wrong. I recently did a nug run and filtered it too many times. I still got shatter but only about .45 of a gram from over a 1/4 ounce of buds. I was using a basic strainer and coffee filters originally but tried to improve on this. I have multiple strainers of differing size but I realized too much plant material is still getting through. This I need to improve.
- As far as evaporation goes I am basically going natural. I place my container near an open window and sit a fan over top of it and it usually evaporates in a few hours. recently, with the change from summer to winter the evap process is obviously slower but seems to be having an effect on the overall product. I live in a very hot place so for most of the year this is fine. Unfortunately it is now cold and wet.
- I used to have a lot of trouble scraping everything up but now I use a stainless steel container which I like. Anything I can't scrape I can either heat up with a torch and then scrape it or I can sop it up with flowers.

That's it in a nutshell. Pretty basic but I can't risk blowing anything up or pissing off the neighbours. Sometimes my results are good but the last few have been awful. Due to the high price of flowers for me I am reluctant to do another run at the moment. My best return was about 18% and worst is under 5%.

The plant material could also get pulled out from your shaking throughout the wash. In my qwet I put in the freezer for 3min like u but I lightly swirl my material in the jar for 10 SECONDS each min. 5sec clockwise and 5sec counter clockwise. Also get rid of the coffee filters imo the just soak up the good stuff. Go with SS screens 50 micron into 10 micron is what I use http://www.316twholesale.com/#!micro-filters/c2pr. If you need a size they don't list on their site, they can cut to any size. Ben from 316 is on hell of a guy idk if it's a one man operation but it feels very personal nd he always take care of me n others as well some time u might get some goodies. Well next time u do a qwet let me know if u try any of these changes. Good luck brother.

Also idk if it's cost effective but the Kleen Xtract has been doin good for me for ethanol

 

[DrRishi]

The PTFE worked like a charm! Processed 23 grams of very good quality nugs.



In the vac chamber:


A little piece of the final product:



From 23 grams of nugs we got 4.4 grams from the first blast and 1.2 grams from the second blast. I can hardly believe it!

 

[spoutti]

My improved manipulation is to do the initial purge slowly and than bring the temp higher on my heating mat when the water is gone to purge it all. An easy fold and peel follows.

Anybody has a grinding tech? I hand grinded to 2-3 times the size I would to roll a joint and it is too long. What am I risking using scisors?

 

[herbivore21]

Some prefer a bit in there. It may leave some residue on a nail or atty. no negative effects that I know of.

Unfortunately, there are potential negative effects.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002893.htm

Chlorophyll can cause a seriously funny stomach and other unwanted symptoms for the unwary toker in high enough doses. Generally, this will be from oral ingestion more than dabbing.

However, ingesting gasses from chlorophyll on your nail are at the very least an irritant to your airways. Remember, inactives like chlorophyll are just filler. Hence, I have made it my life's mission to get rid of it from all of my concentrates!

 

[DieHard]

Ran 7g of Sour D and 13g of Sour Purple D (different sources) today. 2.1g (30%) from the Sour D. In the purge now. Purple yields coming later.

 

[Magic9]

Unfortunately, there are potential negative effects.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002893.htm

Chlorophyll can cause a seriously funny stomach and other unwanted symptoms for the unwary toker in high enough doses. Generally, this will be from oral ingestion more than dabbing.

However, ingesting gasses from chlorophyll on your nail are at the very least an irritant to your airways. Remember, inactives like chlorophyll are just filler. Hence, I have made it my life's mission to get rid of it from all of my concentrates!

I'm wondering how that works. Leafy, green vegetables have some chlorophyll. Some people even advocate for a diet high in chlorophyll. Is there a threshhold or something? Can you build tolerance to green foods/chlorophyll?

I'm not doubting too much ingested would cause a case of "bubble guts", just looking for your ideas regarding it.

 

[herbivore21]

I'm wondering how that works. Leafy, green vegetables have some chlorophyll. Some people even advocate for a diet high in chlorophyll. Is there a threshhold or something? Can you build tolerance to green foods/chlorophyll?

I'm not doubting too much ingested would cause a case of "bubble guts", just looking for your ideas regarding it.

The link explains it well, like we always say in chemistry, the poison is in the dosage ;-) I have read that there are individuals who are more or less sensitive to bad reactions from chlorophyll, as I'm sure we'd find with most things.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Ran 7g of Sour D and 13g of Sour Purple D (different sources) today. 2.1g (30%) from the Sour D. In the purge now. Purple yields coming later.

I saw it recommended somewhere else online long ago when making QWISO from some guy's tek, he did the regular run and then before purging ran it through a micron filter. You'll find a bunch of hard drug use discussion when you look it up, they're used in the drug community for harm prevention when shooting stuff (especially pills with all the binders and shit). I know they go down to 0.5 micron but I think they mostly use down to 10 micron. Can also catch little stuff like bacteria if I recall correctly.

Edit: Sorry @DieHard I had a bunch of tabs opened and another one was the QWISO concentrate thread. I have no idea how the fuck I ended up posting here, this is so irrelevant lol. I almost picked up a bit of Sour D crumble though, but they had J-1 flower in and that shit goes too fast to miss out on