Cheap High Quality Bubbler

[abcd5432]

Hi all,

I posted about this in the Herbalizer thread. A couple people suggested I post here so I can get an inexpensive, quality, glass piece for my Herbalizer.

It seems like what I want is a water tool, since with that you have the option to use it dry, or with water.

I have a spinal cord injury, so I don't know if I want to deal with the extra maintenance of using water, but if using a water tool dry would be the same as a steamroller, it seems like I should get a water tool for the extra flexibility. I'd like to try hits dry, and with water.

I don't have any experience with using glass with a vaporizer. It's been maybe decades since I've taken bong hits.

I'm thinking it would be good to avoid something like a whip/bubbler combo, and take the whip out of the chain, but I'm open to opinions. Wouldn't it be better to use only glass?

What would you recommend given what I typed? And is the stuff from DHGate really as good as the more expensive US made stuff?

Thanks.

Sorry for all the questions in advance, to help you I need to find out more!

How are you using your herbalizer now (Try to be specific)?
How do you ideally want to use it?

What do you mean wouldn't it be better to use only glass? Why do you say that? Better for what specifically?

I'd recommend the Yingmin5 matrix bubbler piece.
http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/new-thick-stable-10-inches-25cm-tall-vapexhale/388645300.html
Look through the pics, you'll get an idea of how you can use it in a multitude of ways. @ataxian is the one who has inspired me to go this route, and it's the one I HIGHLY recommend.

You literally can just use glass just because you like how glass is. I use glass because I just don't like silicon. I like glass. It's pretty. That's really it.

It's not as good as American glass. Of course not. We have some AMAZING glass blowers here. Is it functional though? The functionality is the key here and yes, it's functional (I mean obviously if you buy some crazy design and it works like crap and no one has ever tested it before and the seller didn't post a function video... well I mean come on... can't just trust China blindly here).

The reason I prefer China glass for most applications is because I can gronk spike it, and pick up a new piece. I couldn't care less if a piece I have from China breaks. It's $20-60. But my American glass? No thanks. I'm not replacing $500-2000 pieces. I have my limits! One day though.

No matter what you post, I'll probably still recommend what I originally posted, but I just would like to be ultra sure we get what you need.

 

[od1]

Thanks, I really want to do it right the first time and get the right piece, so being detail-oriented is necessary.

I've only used Herbie for flowers so far, and I've only used the whip, not the bags. I may try things like rosins in the future, but I'm wary of how strong concentrates can be.

I think my main issue with the whip is the amount of lung strength you need to exert to draw on it. I also understand glass offers better flavor, etc., but I don't have any personal experience with vapes and glass, so I don't know all the pros and cons.

I saw this video of Herbie with the steamroller they sell, and it seems better than the whip:

I also like the idea of the carburetor it has.

Isn't having only glass in the chain better for flavor, for one thing? I thought I read a post about that. It would also cut down on the parts to clean, but I'm open to whatever's best, as long as the maintenance wouldn't be too annoying.

Here are two replies to my post in the Herbalizer thread:

"Whenever vapor passes through glass, some of it will be deposited on the internal walls of that glass. The glass you choose does not really affect this, although obviously a larger internal surface area provides more area for the vapor to "stick to".

I have used original VapeXhale glass, china glass and locally blown glass and can't tell much of a difference. As such, I only buy dhgate glass now. Of course, it doesn't help that I am the clumsiest person known to man!

I also prefer the bent-neck models, as they are easier to use ergonomically.

Whether you use water or not is a personal preference (assuming the piece in question is intended for use with water). I actually use my glass dry most of the time for better flavor

As always, YMMV."

and

"Leaning over the Herbalizer might not be the easiest thing for you? A whip with a bubbler attached is easy to pick up and use while sitting back. You don't even need to use it with water for it to work just like the steam roller.

I highly recommend you look up dhgate and also look at or post in this thread http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/cheap-high-quality-bubbler.5255/unread"

The Matrix bubbler you recommend has a bent neck, so that seems like a plus. Does it have a carburetor? And if I were to use it dry, would it be just as good as the Herbalizer steamroller? Also, I'd have to get an adapter for the bowl, correct?

Thanks again!

 

[ataxian]

Bought 4 hydrafoot water bases from Sunshine store at the exact same time and have had them 2 weeks. Also all Sunshine stores hydrafeet have the extended downstem now as well.

Becareful the HYDROFOOT will MEDICATE insanely as in (COMA).

LOVE IT!

Get what you like?
Everybody must get stoned! (BOB DYLAN)
KNOCKING ON HEAVENS DOOR

CANNABIS = BLISS
Being MEDICATED is understanding = CANNABIS = CIVILIZED

@Justpassedu turned me on to this HYDROTUBE.
PORTABLEs as well like water?

 

[biohacker]

I placed an order from Steve over month ago and it still hasn't hit customs.

Was a false alarm.... the email said it had cleared customs of the "destination" country. It was a lie, it cleared export customs in beiging lol I'm not in a rush though since i'm on a break anyway.

Thanks for the heads up on sunshinestore shipping way faster.

 

[abcd5432]

Thanks, I really want to do it right the first time and get the right piece, so being detail-oriented is necessary.

I've only used Herbie for flowers so far, and I've only used the whip, not the bags. I may try things like rosins in the future, but I'm wary of how strong concentrates can be.

I think my main issue with the whip is the amount of lung strength you need to exert to draw on it. I also understand glass offers better flavor, etc., but I don't have any personal experience with vapes and glass, so I don't know all the pros and cons.

I saw this video of Herbie with the steamroller they sell, and it seems better than the whip:

I also like the idea of the carburetor it has.

Isn't having only glass in the chain better for flavor, for one thing? I thought I read a post about that. It would also cut down on the parts to clean, but I'm open to whatever's best, as long as the maintenance wouldn't be too annoying.

Here are two replies to my post in the Herbalizer thread:

"Whenever vapor passes through glass, some of it will be deposited on the internal walls of that glass. The glass you choose does not really affect this, although obviously a larger internal surface area provides more area for the vapor to "stick to".

I have used original VapeXhale glass, china glass and locally blown glass and can't tell much of a difference. As such, I only buy dhgate glass now. Of course, it doesn't help that I am the clumsiest person known to man!

I also prefer the bent-neck models, as they are easier to use ergonomically.

Whether you use water or not is a personal preference (assuming the piece in question is intended for use with water). I actually use my glass dry most of the time for better flavor

As always, YMMV."

and

"Leaning over the Herbalizer might not be the easiest thing for you? A whip with a bubbler attached is easy to pick up and use while sitting back. You don't even need to use it with water for it to work just like the steam roller.

I highly recommend you look up dhgate and also look at or post in this thread http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/cheap-high-quality-bubbler.5255/unread"

The Matrix bubbler you recommend has a bent neck, so that seems like a plus. Does it have a carburetor? And if I were to use it dry, would it be just as good as the Herbalizer steamroller? Also, I'd have to get an adapter for the bowl, correct?

Thanks again!

Straight Tube makes ZERO sense for ergonomics. Hence why you see me recommend the bent neck there. I despise straight tube for my own personal use.

As for the "vapor loss" argument. That's so minimal, I really don't think it's important. I have a big bong, and a small piece, and I can't tell the difference vapor wise.

As for the carb portion.
No it doesn't? I'm not aware of many glass pieces meant to be used with water that have carbs. That's not as normal. However, you can get a glass adapter that will give you a carb. This again goes to the modularity thing. OregonGlassBlower can make you one if you can't find one for some reason.

Cleaning wise, I notice no difference between the whip and the glass.
Both have to go in an iso bath. Personally, I have a 5 gallon jug of simple green I bought from Home Depot for $20. That's all I need. If you want to be super crazy you can check out the ultrasonic cleaners. I'll be getting one before 2017 is over.

If you don't like the whip, the only way I can see that is if the whip is too constricted to allow great airflow. If you're willing to sit closer to the Herbalizer, then you could use glass directly with the Herbalizer correct?

That's part of the reason I recommended that piece. Because you can use the top part to easily mate with the Herbalizer, while also using a small whip attached into the downstem of the bong.

As for "carbing", generally, I use the whip as my "carb" and just pull out of my piece if I use a whip and then keep a finger over the whip to keep it fresh.

If you don't need the whole setup that I recommended, he does sell the main part that you can use.

I just like that because it will let you try TWO setups right from the start.

@ataxian just posted the honeycomb version of what I recommended.

 

[Hogni]

Straight Tube makes ZERO sense for ergonomics. Hence why you see me recommend the bent neck there. I despise straight tube for my own personal use.

As for the carb portion.
No it doesn't? I'm not aware of many glass pieces meant to be used with water that have carbs. That's not as normal. However, you can get a glass adapter that will give you a carb. This again goes to the modularity thing. OregonGlassBlower can make you one if you can't find one for some reason.

Total agreement with your statement to straight ones!

Regarding carps there could exist regional differences. Up to a few years nearly every glass piece in Germany had a carb. Meanwhile carbless WP are getting more. Guess ratio is nearly 1:1.

 

[The Beagle]

Regarding carps there could exist regional differences. Up to a few years nearly every glass piece in Germany had a carb. Meanwhile carbless WP are getting more. Guess ratio is nearly 1:1.

I agree, euro glass always used to have a carb hole while us glass didn't. Now I see more pieces without it, when I was younger they were more uncommon.

 

[biohacker]

Was a false alarm.... the email said it had cleared customs of the "destination" country. It was a lie, it cleared export customs in beiging lol I'm not in a rush though since i'm on a break anyway.

I was wrong! It's been waiting at the post office for me for a few days now! lol Wow, talk about fast shipping!!!!

I'm so happy right now!

 

[SoDelicious]

Nice collection!

Just wondering, if you don't mind. Do you have a link or a name for the rig on the left?

 

[biohacker]

FC-186!

http://www.dhgate.com/product/advan...glass/218127444.html#s1-0-1b;searl|1433734974

 

[abcd5432]

I shouldn't say that the only way you won't like the whip is if it's too constricted. Meant to say one way. Could be too long, among other things.

I thought the herbalizer could force vapor through?
Have you thought of using a vape like that? The SSV does that too.

@biohacker
That's my normal experience with shipping from China. A lot better than expected. My monitor supposed shipped from Korea in 2 days.. I think they had some warehoused here, but Asia products I've had great experience with

 

[biohacker]

This is a game changer for me.... I can see GAS being more of a problem that VAS! lol

One piece is "dirty' or something...another has a bubble, haven't looked at them anymore than that but just about to give them an ISO bath and checkout the water function.

For the price, impossible to beat.

 

[C No Ego]

This is a game changer for me.... I can see GAS being more of a problem that VAS! lol

One piece is "dirty' or something...another has a bubble, haven't looked at them anymore than that but just about to give them an ISO bath and checkout the water function.

For the price, impossible to beat.

the piece in the middle looks like the d020-d but with a different base and mouthpiece... great looking collection !

 

[biohacker]

That PG014 is much bigger than a d020-d I think. And thanks, this is my first china order since I picked up a d020 years ago!

 

[Hogni]

You'll have fun with these pieces! But give the FC-UFO from Steven a try. It'll not disappoint you!

And the whip works awesome for a sesh!

Or the Rattle-Can, it's a diffusion pump and larger than the FC-710.

 

[biohacker]

Thanks bro! The UFO is on my GAS list in addition to the Peyote Pillar (large) as well as the Devastator clone!

The rattle can looks so cool!!!! Must be a nice visual experience?

I don't know how much water to put in the 186? I don't understand the double perc system, if I cover the top perc as well it feels like the water is going to go right up the downstem lol And I get water in my mouth.
So i'm just using it filled to cover the bottom perc and maybe just slightly the top and it seems to be working great. Am I doing something wrong here?

All 3 pieces cleaned up to sparkling and seem to function perfectly!

 

[Hogni]

You did it right...the FC-186 is an exploding bubble machine!

The DPs deliver a nice visual experience but accoustic?

Their other names are rattle cans cause of the small glass (?) ball which is rattling during diffusion. I like it, some not.

 

[od1]

Straight Tube makes ZERO sense for ergonomics. Hence why you see me recommend the bent neck there. I despise straight tube for my own personal use.

As for the "vapor loss" argument. That's so minimal, I really don't think it's important. I have a big bong, and a small piece, and I can't tell the difference vapor wise.

As for the carb portion.
No it doesn't? I'm not aware of many glass pieces meant to be used with water that have carbs. That's not as normal. However, you can get a glass adapter that will give you a carb. This again goes to the modularity thing. OregonGlassBlower can make you one if you can't find one for some reason.

Cleaning wise, I notice no difference between the whip and the glass.
Both have to go in an iso bath. Personally, I have a 5 gallon jug of simple green I bought from Home Depot for $20. That's all I need. If you want to be super crazy you can check out the ultrasonic cleaners. I'll be getting one before 2017 is over.

If you don't like the whip, the only way I can see that is if the whip is too constricted to allow great airflow. If you're willing to sit closer to the Herbalizer, then you could use glass directly with the Herbalizer correct?

That's part of the reason I recommended that piece. Because you can use the top part to easily mate with the Herbalizer, while also using a small whip attached into the downstem of the bong.

As for "carbing", generally, I use the whip as my "carb" and just pull out of my piece if I use a whip and then keep a finger over the whip to keep it fresh.

If you don't need the whole setup that I recommended, he does sell the main part that you can use.

I just like that because it will let you try TWO setups right from the start.

@ataxian just posted the honeycomb version of what I recommended.

How desirable would a carb be for using it dry? Interesting that there are regional differences on whether to include it or not.

I may need to clean the whip, but I'm going to order a glass piece anyway. And yes, the Herbie is close to me as it is.

In looking at the multiple pieces, I initially didn't really get what I was looking at, but after watching this video for something that looks similar:

I think I get what you mean.

In terms of what you say here, "As for "carbing", generally, I use the whip as my "carb" and just pull out of my piece if I use a whip and then keep a finger over the whip to keep it fresh.", are you saying a whip is connected to the glass, then you'll pull the glass out of the whip, and keep a finger over the end of the whip?

What is the difference between the Matrix version and the Honeycomb version?

I got a PM from somebody who said this,

"I am a big fan of the Herbie brand steamrollers. I have both. They perform identically. I prefer the bent version simply because it is more ergonomic. I also have a lot of glass and prefer the steamroller over any other setup I've been able to devise. The steamroller is especially satisfying right out of the fridge.

Maintenance.....

Steamrollers are very very easy to keep clean. A quick iso wash and it is like new. Also dishwasher safe."

Seems some posters to the Herbalizer thread really like the Herbie steamroller, and others say Chinese glass is about equivalent, so I'm having a hard time deciding.

Thanks for the replies.

 

[abcd5432]

How desirable would a carb be for using it dry? Interesting that there are regional differences on whether to include it or not.

I may need to clean the whip, but I'm going to order a glass piece anyway. And yes, the Herbie is close to me as it is.

In looking at the multiple pieces, I initially didn't really get what I was looking at, but after watching this video for something that looks similar:

I think I get what you mean.

In terms of what you say here, "As for "carbing", generally, I use the whip as my "carb" and just pull out of my piece if I use a whip and then keep a finger over the whip to keep it fresh.", are you saying a whip is connected to the glass, then you'll pull the glass out of the whip, and keep a finger over the end of the whip?

What is the difference between the Matrix version and the Honeycomb version?

I got a PM from somebody who said this,

"I am a big fan of the Herbie brand steamrollers. I have both. They perform identically. I prefer the bent version simply because it is more ergonomic. I also have a lot of glass and prefer the steamroller over any other setup I've been able to devise. The steamroller is especially satisfying right out of the fridge.

Maintenance.....

Steamrollers are very very easy to keep clean. A quick iso wash and it is like new. Also dishwasher safe."

Seems some posters to the Herbalizer thread really like the Herbie steamroller, and others say Chinese glass is about equivalent, so I'm having a hard time deciding.

Thanks for the replies.

"In terms of what you say here, "As for "carbing", generally, I use the whip as my "carb" and just pull out of my piece if I use a whip and then keep a finger over the whip to keep it fresh.", are you saying a whip is connected to the glass, then you'll pull the glass out of the whip, and keep a finger over the end of the whip?"

Yes. exactly.

I prefer the Matrix perc hands down. Especially for someone like yourself who wants an easy pull.

As for maintenance... I mean iso+salt will get rid of the majority of junk. I just did a cleaning actually, and the main thing you need to do is ensure you're using an abrasive like salt in conjunction with something like iso. Without the abrasive, it won't matter what you do it won't clean as well.

When you say "Chinese glass is about equivalent?" what exactly are you worrying about in relation to American Glass?
We originated the designs, so of course they will be better made here...
Would I pay 1/5th the price of American glass for 90-99% of the functionality? Yes....
American Glass really shines for being the first for new functionality, and for having the best artistmanship(That a word?). Otherwise, nothing to really worry about.

China makes your TVs, phones, pretty much EVERYTHING. Let us not be absurd and think that China can't blow glass too....
They CLEARLY don't originate designs, you can tell it's obvious. But they can copy and copy until they get it right, or close enough that the discount is worth it.

 

[od1]

Good to know. I'll get the Matrix one then, if I end up buying from DH Gate.

How often do you think I'd need to clean a water tool if I did one session per day?

Well, I meant more that the Herbie steamroller is designed specifically for that unit. I have read about 3rd party glass that doesn't create an airtight seal in some cases, for example. I want to know exactly what I'm in for. Here's an opinion in a PM I just got, "First of all, I don't have any DH glass so I can't be of much help there. I just know that the Herbie steamroller is built very well...thick glass....very nice looking. I don't know how it works but it does. I have a variety of name brand portable and desktop vapes and the Herbie with steamroller produces the smoothest and coolest vapor of the lot."

Another thing is that the Herbie steamroller should be easier to clean due to the design, but I see that the bent version just jumped back up in price. If I end up wanting it, I'm going to see if they can honor the sale price. If not, I may just get this Matrix piece you suggested. Eventually I may buy both, but I only want to go for the one that seems best now.

Thanks again.

 

[abcd5432]

I have an authentic mobius matrix bong, and a lot of Stevenlmz79 glass. It's comparable in thickness. You can get terrible thickness glass from low quality sellers. Go for ones that are reputable. I'll be adding this to my site as I've Blanket ordered from a lot of sellers to see their quality. Kathy was terrible for glass thickness but she isn't around anymore.

As for cleaning, it's again glass. It's easy to clean almost no matter what. Iso bath in a bag with salt and you will get it clean. Wouldn't worry on that front. A bent neck isn't in anyway harder to clean. You simply wrap the opening with kitchen wrap, rubber band them tight, have some iso and salt in your piece and shake away. A 5 gallon of simple green cleaner is $20. Cleaning costs very very little and is super easy. Do you not current own glass? This seems like an odd concern of trying to find glass that would be "easier to clean". Unless you're looking for a piece you can literally put a brush down, you're fine....

As for how often? Depends on you I vape 3-4 times a day, and I clean not that often my pieces stay clean. Vapor is by nature quite clean so you don't get too much buildup.

I'm unsure of how you'd mate it with the herbalizer, but I imagine there must be an 18mm adapter that allows pieces to attach easily.

Again... I say this is simply glass blowing... China makes all types of complex things. They can make glass that is thick. It's easier to make than an iPhone or anything else they assemble. Simply being American made isn't enough to pay a ton of money.
This is just something the industry has pushed out there, it makes zero logical sense.

Edit: I'd be worried about buying Chinese glass if it was a design that China hadn't made yet. Then it will take them awhile to copy that design decently well. A simple basic piece like that there is little chance I pay more than $50. We just had someone post a sale for that style piece for $50 for American glass I believe.

If I'm paying for American glass it's for a design that China can't even begin to copy... Not something basic like that.

 

[biohacker]

A 5 gallon of simple green cleaner is $20.

Is that shit safe? I've mentioned this before but was told that it's too dangerous because it may leave a film or some shit? I guess you could ISO after... I dunno, I bought a big purple thing of HD SG but was too afraid to use it. I just use 99% ISO and it works for me.

 

[abcd5432]

Is that shit safe? I've mentioned this before but was told that it's too dangerous because it may leave a film or some shit? I guess you could ISO after... I dunno, I bought a big purple thing of HD SG but was too afraid to use it. I just use 99% ISO and it works for me.

I think the purple version is different. The Green is biodegradable.
But yes, 99% iso is easy. Decent Iso+Salt is under $3 at the grocery store.
Everyone needs a "cleaning kit" handy for keeping your stuff clean. If you have 0 income, sure I understand. But if you have a job.... probably can afford $3 every now and then for some cleaning supplies.

I rinsed my stuff thoroughly after simple green, but may just use both. I was working on a video review of cleaning supplies when I got the simple green, but my iso bath actually was more effective. That was only 91% iso.

 

[biohacker]

I get the 4 pack of 99% at Costco and recycle it until it loses effectiveness or gets too dark. Salt can be found cheap at the dollar store. Pretty affordable to keep things shiny!

 

[muunch]

Again... I say this is simply glass blowing... China makes all types of complex things. They can make glass that is thick. It's easier to make than an iPhone or anything else they assemble. Simply being American made isn't enough to pay a ton of money.
This is just something the industry has pushed out there, it makes zero logical sense.

My man coming in strong with the logic

I am not paying hundreds of dollars for something that functions the same as a $50 one. I don't care where it's from if there's just a couple mm (if that), and a watermark/signature separating the 2 lol.

It may "feel" or "look" nicer (and fuckin hell it better for all that money) but if I wanted some art I'd buy a goddamn painting lol

edit: I will say heady glass is completely different (but not even relevant to the convo imo)