Cheap High Quality Bubbler

[Frederick McGuire]

@Fredrick McGuire I paid only $28 for the D020 Bubbler and its better than a $180 piece I have.
My wife and I were blown away at the quality of this piece?
The glass was thicker than the US piece. (7mm vs. 5mm)

For people like me who want what you have for a fraction of the cost it's worth it!

Just do it. How much was your Ion?

It may look similar but the size is much smaller than your Ion. Did you see the photo I uploaded with the D020 sitting next to the Clear Matrix? IMO, it would fit in well with your Mobius family, .

Ok, you guys convinced me
I ordered through the sunshine glass iOffer store, so should I be expecting an email to pay for it in a day or three?

 

[Tweak]

Ok, you guys convinced me

You ordered just one?

That's how it worked for me: Item Purchased: Jan 26, 2014, Email was received on Jan 29, 2014.

I guess you could email them first sunshineglassart@gmail.com. I ordered from dhgate.com.

Order from both, see which one gets there quicker .

I do have an order in for another piece, and its been 9 days and they haven't shipped yet, so they might still be on vacation.

 

[ataxian]

You ordered just one?

That's how it worked for me: Item Purchased: Jan 26, 2014, Email was received on Jan 29, 2014.

I guess you could email them first sunshineglassart@gmail.com. I ordered from dhgate.com.

Order from both, see which one gets there quicker .

I do have an order in for another piece, and its been 9 days and they haven't shipped yet, so they might still be on vacation.

China is shut down for HOLIDAY!
FEB 15 business as usual.
I must of just made the cut off?
The D020 is Medicating!
Can't wait to order more glass!
You'll like your glass!

 

[Frederick McGuire]

Haha, yeah, just one

I managed to talk a seller down in another piece I was purchasing, so I feel like I basically got it for free

If you count the hydratube from the EVO IGG bundle, I'm now waiting on 4 pieces to be shipped to me

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Haha, yeah, just one

I managed to talk a seller down in another piece I was purchasing, so I feel like I basically got it for free

If you count the hydratube from the EVO IGG bundle, I'm now waiting on 4 pieces to be shipped to me

I'm expecting packages in the mail as well, both vape and non-vape stuff. The waiting sucks for me and I can't imagine having to wait like you!!

 

[Frederick McGuire]

I like to think I've mastered the art of international postage zen

 

[xRUFUSx]

IMO, it would be hard to put a number on any given piece. Each piece might be made slightly different, and we all use different water levels.

And would you take into account the bubbles being displaced as part of the volume for milk? Cause even that differs with how hard someone draws.

All true. This is all very interesting to me, though its getting off topic... does this need to get moved?
For simplicity's sake, I say measurements should be made at rest. I think provide a static figure, and let people factor it into how it handles their unique ripping styles.

To reflect water level variability, EMV would have to be a range. The minimum number would represent the piece when filled with max water, almost to the point of being impractical, and the maximum number would represent the piece with as little water as possible for the perc to function as designed.

Basically, I think EMV should be a range of practical use. Widths of EMV ranges will vary. Seems like beaker bottoms etc would have a very wide EMV range, depending on the size and length of downstem, for example. Also, with EMV as a range, it allows for some inconsistency in manufacturing. I hope manufacture's would also realize that EMV is like a shoe size - exaggerating it doesn't necessarily help sell more units.

Hypothetically, if a bubbler has an EMV of 100-140 cm3, I would probably be using it at around an EMV of 130 cm3 (on the high side - more air), because I like my water levels pretty modest. I haven't made reference measurements yet, so I don't know what what 130 cm3 feels like. is there a way to format superscript for cubic centimeters...

 

[Frederick McGuire]

I honestly don't think this "EMV" stat you're trying to establish will be all that useful..

Things like drag and diffusion are way more important IMO...

For example, I have a möbius clear matrix and reti.
They are supposed to have the exact same form factor, yet my reti is maybe 0.5-1cm taller than the matrix.
(Some quick maths:
75mm can - (5mm wall x2) = 65mm internal diameter =32.5mm=3.25cm internal radius
Area = Pi r2 = 33.18cm2
33.18cm2 x 0.5cm = 16.59cm3
33.18cm2 x 1cm = 33.18cm3

So right there, we have a "EMV" variance of 16-35cm3 between 2 pieces that should be identical.

Then factor in that you can vary water levels quite a bit (let's say 3cm so we can do some more fun maths )
33.18cm2 x 3cm = 99.54cm3

So if you add the water level variance and the variance from the pieces themselves, you can be varying by up to 130cm3...

Now, going by a graphic in the mobius thread, the can on a clear is approx 6inches = 15cm tall.
Assuming a minimum fill of 5cm, that would leave you with an "EMV" (just for the can, not factoring in the neck) of
33.18cm2 x 10cm = 331.8cm3

So you've got a potential 10% difference just based on the shape of the piece coming out of the factory, and another potential 30% variance based on personal preference of water level...
It just seems too wishy washy to me...

I'm not saying you should give up on the idea, just throwing my out there...

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

How do we account for bends and bubble dynamic affecting draw/chug? Water level rises when pulling on pieces...

 

[Frederick McGuire]

Well, the water level would rise, but the water volume would be the same...
Assuming the "EMV" is purely the amount of airspace inside a piece, then stacking etc wouldn't affect it.

 

[xRUFUSx]

I honestly don't think this "EMV" stat you're trying to establish will be all that useful..

Things like drag and diffusion are way more important IMO...

For example, I have a möbius clear matrix and reti.
They are supposed to have the exact same form factor, yet my reti is maybe 0.5-1cm taller than the matrix.
(Some quick maths:
75mm can - (5mm wall x2) = 65mm internal diameter =32.5mm=3.25cm internal radius
Area = Pi r2 = 33.18cm2
33.18cm2 x 0.5cm = 16.59cm3
33.18cm2 x 1cm = 33.18cm3

So right there, we have a "EMV" variance of 16-35cm3 between 2 pieces that should be identical.

Then factor in that you can vary water levels quite a bit (let's say 3cm so we can do some more fun maths )
33.18cm2 x 3cm = 99.54cm3

So if you add the water level variance and the variance from the pieces themselves, you can be varying by up to 130cm3...

Now, going by a graphic in the mobius thread, the can on a clear is approx 6inches = 15cm tall.
Assuming a minimum fill of 5cm, that would leave you with an "EMV" (just for the can, not factoring in the neck) of
33.18cm2 x 10cm = 331.8cm3

So you've got a potential 10% difference just based on the shape of the piece coming out of the factory, and another potential 30% variance based on personal preference of water level...
It just seems too wishy washy to me...

I'm not saying you should give up on the idea, just throwing my out there...

I agree it's wishy washy, and yeah there would be a range (to account for minimum and maximum useful water levels). EMV as a stat would be especially helpful imo as a comparison tool for online glass shopping - for pieces you only have JPEGS, HxWxD, and reviews to judge from. Knowing the EMV of only one or two pieces is kind of useless.

Well, the water level would rise, but the water volume would be the same...
Assuming the "EMV" is purely the amount of airspace inside a piece, then stacking etc wouldn't affect it.

Right right.

Even now I'm torn between this ole single HC and this inline thingy, and I want the one with the least maximum EMV. Frankly, I can't think of a better way to refer to potential milk space than EMV.

 

[Deadshort480]

I agree it's wishy washy, and yeah there would be a range (to account for minimum and maximum useful water levels). EMV as a stat would be especially helpful imo as a comparison tool for online glass shopping - for pieces you only have JPEGS, HxWxD, and reviews to judge from. Knowing the EMV of only one or two pieces is kind of useless.
Right right.

Even now I'm torn between this ole single HC and this inline thingy, and I want the one with the least maximum EMV. Frankly, I can't think of a better way to refer to potential milk space than EMV.

Go for the inline. It's not big.

 

[xRUFUSx]

Thanks for the recommendation Deadshort. TBH I want all of em the more I weigh these little pieces against each other... for starters, the cheaper ones
Does anyone who owns one of these

mind measuring the inside length between the end piece GG lip and the first 90 degree knuckle? I'm trying to determine which size of this downstem adapter for some extra perc, and to help keep that first knuckle clean from combustion terds. The shorties are 1.7", 2.15", 3", and up from there.

The HC might not like the extra turbulence pre perc. Idk, just curious how big a DS I can cram in there.

 

[Deadshort480]

Does anyone who owns one of these

mind measuring the inside length between the end piece GG lip and the first 90 degree knuckle? I'm trying to determine which size of this downstem adapter for some extra perc, and to help keep that first knuckle clean from combustion terds. The shorties are 1.7", 2.15", 3", and up from there.

The HC might not like the extra turbulence pre perc. Idk, just curious how big a DS I can cram in there.

This is where Chinese glass can get tricky. The input on these are not all the same length. You may have some with placement the same as the picture and some higher than that. There may be some out there with an even shorter stem. Remember that all glass will vary, even models that are exactly the same. Someone may own the same exact bubbler I own, they may look the same, but there can be differences that are quite major when comparing the two pieces that are supposed to be the same.

Edit: you may want to look into adding an ash catcher instead of a mini downstem. I don't know if you'll get much, if any, percolation through the downstem because the nature of stemless pieces is that the knuckle is usually evacuated of water upon the draw.

 

[xRUFUSx]

Might as well mention this "Lab Glass Washing Bottle" that is just begging for a vaporizer hose...

Edit: you may want to look into adding an ash catcher instead of a mini downstem. I don't know if you'll get much, if any, percolation through the downstem because the nature of stemless pieces is that the knuckle is usually evacuated of water upon the draw.

Yeah the only way my stoner idea would work is if the shorty DS fit about perfectly. For what it's worth, every perc on the shorty would be completely submerged at the beginning of the rip. Through the body of the rip, it would act as a half-ass screen and maybe some perc if it reaches the bottom of the knuckle. I'm hoping it would concentrate some reclaim mess to that removable part as well. I could also tape off the top perc slot I guess...

Modnote: Back to back posts merged.

 

[oli]

Thanks for the recommendation Deadshort. TBH I want all of em the more I weigh these little pieces against each other... for starters, the cheaper ones
Does anyone who owns one of these

mind measuring the inside length between the end piece GG lip and the first 90 degree knuckle? I'm trying to determine which size of this downstem adapter for some extra perc, and to help keep that first knuckle clean from combustion terds. The shorties are 1.7", 2.15", 3", and up from there.

The HC might not like the extra turbulence pre perc. Idk, just curious how big a DS I can cram in there.

Really LOOOOOOOve these two bad boys with my Solo!!!!!

For info:

 

[xRUFUSx]

Really LOOOOOOOve these two bad boys with my Solo!!!!!

For info:

Hot Damn!!! Thank you so much for taking the time!

$1,000,000 question: When you're down to you're last dab, which piece do you use?

edit: I didn't realize how many basic parts these have in common... but what a difference design makes. I need both of these. I could flip one on craigslist in a day with 10% markup if I change my mind lol

 

[oli]

Hot Damn!!! Thank you so much for taking the time!

$1,000,000 question: When you're down to you're last dab, which piece do you use?

You're welcome

Well I'm not the best one to answer that since I do not have that many pieces and also since I'm NEVER down on my last Dab (pleasures and percs of growing you own) but my answer would be the Dozo! So neat, so great, SOOOOOOOO cheap!

 

[lazylathe]

Looks like my iOffer glass should be here by the weekend!!
Perfect timing for more experimentation!!!


EDIT: When i was ordering from ioffer i wanted the D020 but was lead on for a few days...
I was told they were out of stock and it would take a few days to make mine, i was fine with that. Everytime they gave me a date it would be extended...
Eventually i asked for a refund or another style.
This is what they offered to send to me, not too bad for $35 shipping included!

Will be interesting to use the glass nail and see how long it lasts and how well it works!
I am very keen to try out my Nano with glass, it will be the first time it has seen glass!

 

[oli]

Looks like my iOffer glass should be here by the weekend!!
Perfect timing for more experimentation!!!


EDIT: When i was ordering from ioffer i wanted the D020 but was lead on for a few days...
I was told they were out of stock and it would take a few days to make mine, i was fine with that. Everytime they gave me a date it would be extended...
Eventually i asked for a refund or another style.
This is what they offered to send to me, not too bad for $35 shipping included!

Will be interesting to use the glass nail and see how long it lasts and how well it works!
I am very keen to try out my Nano with glass, it will be the first time it has seen glass!

Do not want to dwell on it but I am still waiting for some info from the vendor about mine which is damaged (well that has a big gash). Waiting for his answer before I go McGyver on it!

 

[lazylathe]

Do not want to dwell on it but I am still waiting for some info from the vendor about mine which is damaged (well that has a big gash). Waiting for his answer before I go McGyver on it!

I saw the pic you posted earlier oli, not cool to ship something not fabricated correctly!
I have dealt with stuff like this in the past with China, not glass but my LED garden lights.
I had to fight and argue for spares even though it has a 5 year unlimited warranty...

I got what i needed in the end but it took a lot of time and luckily it was all stuff i could repair myself.
Not so lucky with the glass though...
I would repair it myself with a dab of aquarium silicone.
Let it cure for a few days and then a good wash to remove any residual acetic acid and you should be good to go!
If they do get back to you it is a simple job to remove it!

EDIT!!!! It has apparently been delivered to my mailbox!!!
Looks like Herbie and EVO will be having a new partner to mate with tonight!!!

 

[oli]

I saw the pic you posted earlier oli, not cool to ship something not fabricated correctly!
I have dealt with stuff like this in the past with China, not glass but my LED garden lights.
I had to fight and argue for spares even though it has a 5 year unlimited warranty...

I got what i needed in the end but it took a lot of time and luckily it was all stuff i could repair myself.
Not so lucky with the glass though...
I would repair it myself with a dab of aquarium silicone.
Let it cure for a few days and then a good wash to remove any residual acetic acid and you should be good to go!
If they do get back to you it is a simple job to remove it!

Thanks, like the dab of aquarium silicone idea!!!!

 

[Caligula]

Were doing dabs of silicone now?

@lazylathe that oil can looks like it would pair up well with the Nano. Although not much DOESNT pair well with it given its tiny form factor and light weight.

 

[lazylathe]

Were doing dabs of silicone now?

@lazylathe that oil can looks like it would pair up well with the Nano. Although not much DOESNT pair well with it given its tiny form factor and light weight.

Tonight it will be used with as many vapes i own that i can handle!
So most likely Herbie and EVO and i will be done...
I do really want to use the Nano with it!

 

[oli]

here’s a short one to compare them again…

Some days I just wished I didn’t have them so that I could indulge and pull that cheap trigger once more……..might just place one very close to the side..........oooops, well I’ll have to get one Now! Oh Damn you, Lil' Bubbler!

Anyway, No gimmicks this time! only me shitting around to get that gong out, sorry about that