CCA Liger banger V3.0

[Rabbi]

I understand shit happens but you don't leave people hanging at least one reply with what's going would be nice. I know they offer superior quality products but with customer service like this I don't think I could support a business like this.

Struggling to contact @CCA710 is certainly a reoccurring theme throughout this thread. Some people here have said they have little to no issue contacting him, while others say they have waited days or weeks for a response. I wish I had advice to give you, but I'm starting to get the feeling that we just wait and hope he eventually gets to us, or that someone with easier access helps us out.

I doubt he is satisfied with the difficulty current customers are experiencing at the moment in contacting him. Although, I'm not sure how he is working to improve the communication with individual customers.

 

[Armerad]

Little bit of trails/pooling with the Storm Cell, but just got a pretty good first dab off my new Liger! 20mm with the sapphire insert. I had already adjusted the coil to fit the banger and tightened it up a bit and was able to take a REALLY flavorful, smooth dab of some Animal Crookies shatter at 580 degrees!

So thankful to Josh at CCA710 for this banger. Insane.

Also thankful to everybody on this thread, how to tighten the parts, how to adjust coil to fit, which side goes up on the coil, all that stuff...never would have known how to do all of it, or that I had to, without this thread.

Glad to see another Gold Liger user! You have great taste in shiny things

 

[Marihuana]

Figured I'd sign up after getting closure on the SiC dishes.

How much of a hassle is it to keep a (30mm, if size matters) quartz dish clean? The reasons why I wanted SiC from the get go were more robust vaporization at lower temperatures and lower long-term maintenance. I understand the inserts must be wiped after every hit for maximum cleanliness, but I'm mainly curious as to how easily one can "ruin" quartz. Also, does the material matter? I've been dabbing distillate lately, but I have a soft spot for the waxy, terpier concentrates.

 

[Danksta]

Sent Josh an email to just send me quartz. I hope he gets it out this week as expected.

 

[scalescliffs]

I'm gonna call this set up the Crockpot - it goes low and slow

So tasty at 590* on the sapphire. Should have a ChadBro Terp Trunk to experiment with tomorrow. Getting a little pooling and burning with the Storm Cell.

 

[Mig710]

So I took advantage of the sapphire deal for my SiC insert swap. Never really had any intentions on purchasing sapphire (having such a steep price) but now that the opportunity has arrived I hopped ALL over it. I have read some things on this forum that sapphire is considerably more fragile than SiC and quartz. Is there any advise you guys with sapphire inserts can provide, to prolong the life of your insert. (Besides not being overly medicated/clumsy when in operating)

 

[Caelar900]

@Mig710 Nice! Im hoping to be able to do the same. The Sapphire should be a killer upgrade over SiC! But wait...? Have you been in contact with @CCA710 or @mrbonsai420? I have many messages to both about my order and have yet to hear back from either...

 

[Brown]

Anyone have an update on the 20mm liger sets with quartz and hurricane cap? Nearing the month mark since I ordered now and from earlier posts I thought quartz was supposed to be in earlier this week. I'm not having much luck with the email route.

 

[Mig710]

@Mig710 Nice! Im hoping to be able to do the same. The Sapphire should be a killer upgrade over SiC! But wait...? Have you been in contact with @CCA710 or @mrbonsai420? I have many messages to both about my order and have yet to hear back from either...

Seemed like the best deal... and ya I shot @mrbonsai420 a message along with Josh an email, no response yet.

 

[Texan Dabbed]

I reached out to both about swapping to quartz on Monday. No reply from Bonsai but I got a short note back from Josh acknowledging my request an hour or so ago. Fingers crossed.

 

[damm]

I reached out to both about swapping to quartz on Monday. No reply from Bonsai but I got a short note back from Josh acknowledging my request an hour or so ago. Fingers crossed.

Yeah he responded to my email earlier. Unfortunately it looks like my Flat SiC insert got lost and forgotten so I guess I'll end up refunding as I was hoping to use another quartz insert that hadn't shipped as additional credit to sapphire.

Sapphire is just so bloody expensive it's cheaper to get a D-Nail Halo with the Sapphire Insert.

 

[herbivore21]

Yeah he responded to my email earlier. Unfortunately it looks like my Flat SiC insert got lost and forgotten so I guess I'll end up refunding as I was hoping to use another quartz insert that hadn't shipped as additional credit to sapphire.

Sapphire is just so bloody expensive it's cheaper to get a D-Nail Halo with the Sapphire Insert.

A d-nail halo with sapphire insert is not comparable to a Liger sapphire insert of a D-nail Sapphire halo man. The surface area on the d-nail insert only allows for small dabs and you need to spread it the right way.

However, the d-nail sapphire halo IME vaporizes quicker than the Liger sapphire, tastes just as good (better sometimes because the Liger tends to pool your dab) and also costs considerably less for the complete setup.

The Liger is a niche nail IME, you need to be using the right amounts of the right kinds of meds to justify the spend - it can be justified in some cases though

So I took advantage of the sapphire deal for my SiC insert swap. Never really had any intentions on purchasing sapphire (having such a steep price) but now that the opportunity has arrived I hopped ALL over it. I have read some things on this forum that sapphire is considerably more fragile than SiC and quartz. Is there any advise you guys with sapphire inserts can provide, to prolong the life of your insert. (Besides not being overly medicated/clumsy when in operating)

Sapphire is not more fragile than quartz. If you physically damage quartz, it'll break before sapphire does.

It has less thermal shock resistance than quartz which means a few things:

1. DO NOT TORCH SAPPHIRE.
2. Do not apply water to hot sapphire.
3. Do not apply anything of any kind to hot sapphire unless that substance is similarly hot.

 

[damm]

A d-nail halo with sapphire insert is not comparable to a Liger sapphire insert of a D-nail Sapphire halo man. The surface area on the d-nail insert only allows for small dabs and you need to spread it the right way.

However, the d-nail sapphire halo IME vaporizes quicker than the Liger sapphire, tastes just as good (better sometimes because the Liger tends to pool your dab) and also costs considerably less for the complete setup.

I wasn't going to use the D-Nail sapphire insert; I was just going to buy the SiC D-Nail Halo and pickup the Sapphire with it.

The Liger is a niche nail IME, you need to be using the right amounts of the right kinds of meds to justify the spend - it can be justified in some cases though

It's been working fantastic for me (and will continue to) I just have the same problem most people do that if I use too much it can pool ...

Sapphire is not more fragile than quartz. If you physically damage quartz, it'll break before sapphire does.

It has less thermal shock resistance than quartz which means a few things:

1. DO NOT TORCH SAPPHIRE.
2. Do not apply water to hot sapphire.
3. Do not apply anything of any kind to hot sapphire unless that substance is similarly hot.

My Quartz is intact; no cracks or dings or damage physically. Some burned on something that I cannot clean off that seems to have embedded in the quartz. Hasn't affected the flavor much

I should also be pretty clear here I am actually Happy with my banger. It's just pretty hard to justify the full cost of the sapphire insert to me (I am not rich; I don't make over 100k/year) but I can justify the cost of the D-Nail SiC with the Sapphire insert.

Wanted to try SiC and well it never got here because of supply issues basically; sapphire sounds nice but even with those warnings you applied the D-Nail Sapphire is more approachable so if you break it ... it's not such a punch to the wallet

I've ordered from D-nail before and they're actually really good on shipping; I heard great things about their support. I've yet to have to email support however.

 

[herbivore21]

I wasn't going to use the D-Nail sapphire insert; I was just going to buy the SiC D-Nail Halo and pickup the Sapphire with it.



It's been working fantastic for me (and will continue to) I just have the same problem most people do that if I use too much it can pool ...



My Quartz is intact; no cracks or dings or damage physically. Some burned on something that I cannot clean off that seems to have embedded in the quartz. Hasn't affected the flavor much

I should also be pretty clear here I am actually Happy with my banger. It's just pretty hard to justify the full cost of the sapphire insert to me (I am not rich; I don't make over 100k/year) but I can justify the cost of the D-Nail SiC with the Sapphire insert.

Wanted to try SiC and well it never got here because of supply issues basically; sapphire sounds nice but even with those warnings you applied the D-Nail Sapphire is more approachable so if you break it ... it's not such a punch to the wallet

I've ordered from D-nail before and they're actually really good on shipping; I heard great things about their support. I've yet to have to email support however.

Your use of the term insert above in relation to the d-nail halo is why I posted what I did to clarify. When we are talking about d-nail products, the sapphire inserts are an accessory for use with the halos and a variety of d-nail titanium nails. The Sapphire Halo is an entire sapphire nail 'head'/dish which is not an 'insert' of any kind. I was just carefully distinguishing between the two for yourself and anybody else reading

Your experiences with the Liger so far are much like mine. It is an enjoyable nail, it has a place in my daily drivers line-up, but the pooling is a PITA. However, full melt doesn't pool so much so the Liger with full melt is an even more wonderful experience

I do not dab 'oils' (rosin/solvent extracts etc as opposed to whole gland full melt) on the Liger sapphire, they go on the d-nail sapphire halo, or the d-nail/Liger SiC in this household! SiC doesn't pool much because it vaporizes the same material quicker than sapphire, even if it doesn't wick the dab around the dish. Pooling oil in a sapphire dish tastes worse than the same dab in SiC IME. Wicking sapphire is crucial for dabbing oils on sapphire IMO.

I actually do not recommend using the d-nail sapphire inserts with the halos. I own all of the various iterations of d-nail sapphire inserts (I have like 6 different sapphire inserts sitting around the house lol) and I find that they function best with the d-nail V1 flat titanium dish or 1.4 deep dish. The problem with the halos is that your dab can drip off of the insert into the rest of the halo (which must be too hot for direct dabbing to achieve adequate heat on the insert).

The good news is that these titanium dishes will work on the same slim series base (and with the same carb cap!) as the SiC halo so you can just buy a spare one of those to use with a sapphire insert instead - this will give you tastier dabs than SiC with sapphire insert (honestly I prefer just dabbing on the SiC halo alone vs SiC halo with a sapphire insert!) without having to spend on a whole sapphire halo.

I've dealt with d-nail for warranty once or twice (it isn't often their equipment has problems!) and they were outstanding. I am happier overall with D-nails service than any other vendor I've ever dealt with.

 

[damm]

Your use of the term insert above in relation to the d-nail halo is why I posted what I did to clarify. When we are talking about d-nail products, the sapphire inserts are an accessory for use with the halos and a variety of d-nail titanium nails. The Sapphire Halo is an entire sapphire nail 'head'/dish which is not an 'insert' of any kind. I was just carefully distinguishing between the two for yourself and anybody else reading

Totally Understood. Always best to ensure people are on the same page to ensure they are talking about the same thing.

Your experiences with the Liger so far are much like mine. It is an enjoyable nail, it has a place in my daily drivers line-up, but the pooling is a PITA. However, full melt doesn't pool so much so the Liger with full melt is an even more wonderful experience

I wish my full melt experience was as good as my shatter experience. Small rice ball drop it in time it and drop on the cap as it starts to vaporize and It works on the first try without having to move the hurricane cap around (twisting it like a terp trunk trying to push the pool around)

I do not dab 'oils' (rosin/solvent extracts etc as opposed to whole gland full melt) on the Liger sapphire, they go on the d-nail sapphire halo, or the d-nail/Liger SiC in this household! SiC doesn't pool much because it vaporizes the same material quicker than sapphire, even if it doesn't wick the dab around the dish. Pooling oil in a sapphire dish tastes worse than the same dab in SiC IME. Wicking sapphire is crucial for dabbing oils on sapphire IMO.

I've had mixed experience with Rosin. Bubble Hash has been pretty good I just wish my source material was a bit cleaner. Using 2 or more Q-Tips to remove all the non melty hash ... gets pretty nasty above the quartz insert if I am not careful

I actually do not recommend using the d-nail sapphire inserts with the halos. I own all of the various iterations of d-nail sapphire inserts (I have like 6 different sapphire inserts sitting around the house lol) and I find that they function best with the d-nail V1 flat titanium dish or 1.4 deep dish. The problem with the halos is that your dab can drip off of the insert into the rest of the halo (which must be too hot for direct dabbing to achieve adequate heat on the insert).

That sadly makes sense. I looked at how the Sapphire hooked in on the Halo's and was curious about that; I guess I'll do a bit more digging.

The good news is that these titanium dishes will work on the same slim series base as the SiC halo so you can just buy a spare one of those to use with a sapphire insert instead - this will give you tastier dabs than SiC with sapphire insert (honestly I prefer just dabbing on the SiC halo alone vs SiC halo with a sapphire insert!) without having to spend on a whole sapphire halo.

Excellent alternative. I like it thanks for great response and information!

 

[herbivore21]

Totally Understood. Always best to ensure people are on the same page to ensure they are talking about the same thing.



I wish my full melt experience was as good as my shatter experience. Small rice ball drop it in time it and drop on the cap as it starts to vaporize and It works on the first try without having to move the hurricane cap around (twisting it like a terp trunk trying to push the pool around)



I've had mixed experience with Rosin. Bubble Hash has been pretty good I just wish my source material was a bit cleaner. Using 2 or more Q-Tips to remove all the non melty hash ... gets pretty nasty above the quartz insert if I am not careful



That sadly makes sense. I looked at how the Sapphire hooked in on the Halo's and was curious about that; I guess I'll do a bit more digging.



Excellent alternative. I like it thanks for great response and information!

Glad to assist my friend

I feel what you are saying on less melty bubble (especially what I call 4.5 star melt, that is material that is dabbable and tastes good, but leaves residue like you say that requires multiple qtips). It can be so difficult to access 5-6 star bubble as most people use tek that only achieves very low yields of these grades of resin. When they can be found, they often retail for unreasonably expensive costs too which does not help!

 

[Seanstuffy]

My order also has been over a month.. I sent lots of emails also like everyone else did wondering what was up with my order. Josh did finally get back to me and took care of me on Tuesday and swapped the sic for the 50% off Saphire an told me my order (20mm ) would go out late Tuesday or early Wed morning latest! So i would sit tight an check your emails every so often.. Im guessing he might be going in order of purchase most likely!

 

[mrbonsai420]

I know I am not able to answer everyone personally right now. It's A LOT of emails and orders to go through. But rest assured me emailing isn't slowing down or speeding things up really, I am just trying to let people know what's going on. Josh is still going to be sending orders out as the product arrives. We will work out the refunds and sapphire swaps as we go. Sorry for all of this confusion, trust me it's not fun, we would much rather have received proper SiC inserts from the supplier.

 

[inspirose]

I know I am not able to answer everyone personally right now. It's A LOT of emails and orders to go through. But rest assured me emailing isn't slowing down or speeding things up really, I am just trying to let people know what's going on. Josh is still going to be sending orders out as the product arrives. We will work out the refunds and sapphire swaps as we go. Sorry for all of this confusion, trust me it's not fun, we would much rather have received proper SiC inserts from the supplier.

You know, that's okay for a normal order. I even got a notification (finally) yesterday that my order shipped. But no word from Josh.

He sent me someone else's order. He said he would refund me for the cost I incurred to send him back the order. It's only $10, but that's an expense that isn't my fault at all.
He again sent me someone else's part. Has not said anything to me about how to return that or what I should do with it.
He promised me something to make up for all this hassle several weeks ago. Still no word on what that is.
Further, I have not heard a single word about the SiC issue with regards to the other options you mentioned. Does the package that is being sent to me include a SiC dish? If not, why have I not been told about the issue and what alternatives are available? If the SiC dish is missing, shouldn't I be given the option for a different insert before the incomplete order is sent?

These are all easy issues to resolve. But nothing. Do you understand how frustrating this is? I'm not just complaining about the time frame to order fulfillment. Structually, this process is flawed. Who is supposed to be the one with any business sense here?

 

[Brown]

I'm still waiting on either my shipping confirmation or an email back to say why I'm being delayed. As of Saturday it's been a month since I ordered, I ordered quartz from the beginning. I feel the issues with SIC are causing my order and email to be delayed due to the amount they're receiving. I'm really excited about this product but the service is leaving a bad taste in my mouth, I don't want to have to request a refund but it's starting to look like more and more of an option if I don't hear anything soon. It's been four days since I emailed to get an update. I don't feel that it's unreasonable to expect a level of communication when spending a premium for a product. The last thing I heard from Josh was 7-14 days which was up two weeks ago, from the posts on this forum it seems quartz is in, so why am I still waiting for shipping confirmation much less a response to my email.

 

[Gn0sis]

those of you waiting, you are, in a way, lucky even though it doesnt feel like it now... when Josh says he'll hook you up for the wait or hassle, he usually hooks it up really nice.

either way, its a safe bet that a while from now in the future, you all are gonna be looking back at this and saying to yourselves "that wait time.... yeah, it was definitely worth it."

 

[Brown]

those of you who are waiting are, in a way, lucky even though it doesnt feel like it now... when Josh says he'll hook you up for the wait or hassle, he usually hooks it up really nice.

either way, its a safe bet that a while from now in the future, you all are gonna be looking back at this and saying to yourselves "that wait time.... yeah, it was definitely worth it."

I'm not sure if this would apply to my order considering I didn't order any SIC, if I could get in contact with someone I could figure that out. If I was told what's happening with my order or if they'd offer me anything for the hassle I'd be alright with the wait but the radio silence is the frustrating part.

 

[Danksta]

Patience will pay off, but goddamn this is frustrating at times.

Sometimes I feel half truths are being said to calm ppl down. I really hope that is not the case. If it's going to be months just say so and stop dragging this anticipation. I thought I would have my unit last week, then this week. Does the supplier not give you guys tracking? Don't tell us parts are coming in today if they aren't.

I know he will hook us up, but this is starting to feel like a bunch of half truths.

 

[Seanstuffy]

His hook up was already mentioned on this thread! Its either 1)50% off quarts an get some money bak or 2)163$ on top of the money u payed Already for sic to get sic upgraded to sapphire. Or 3)refund for the sic an 15$ credit.. Im sure its not gonna be anything else, i aready talked to him. He hit me bak an said sorry! Then offered the deals above as bonsia already said, after telling me i was top Waitin customer (over a month). Many ppl did not get messages letting them kno about the issue either. Ppl found out from mrbonsai's post on here a couple days ago which said to email an let them kno what you want to do... I was upset also but realized Idk wat else he could do in honesty! He is basically giving us items at cost already with the discount!

 

[mrbonsai420]

If you have an outstanding SIC order and you didn't get an email from me (CCA710 email address) Please PM me here. I have revised instructions!