Cannabis Hardware (formerly NewVape) FlowerPot Twax Vaporizer

[Pyr0]

Hey everyone and @newvape918 ,
Have you ever had your flowerpot (OG 16mm) head, nut, and fastner bricked?
I can't unscrew anything, tried it cold, just after a heat cycle, with pliers, done some scratchs..
But nothing moved. Only the coil rotate on the head, but this don't help here..

I would have liked to dismantle the OG 16mm to clean it thoroughly and sell it in the classifieds, but now I can't and it is all scratchy
Any advice?

Also, VRod Aquisition Sydrome is very strong .. Well done NewVape, again, lovely job !

I'm in the same situation with my 20mm showerhead. I can't get it apart
If I want a VROD, I'm going to have to buy a new coil as well.

 

[biohacker]

As solely just a flower user what would be the advise on which flowerpot to buy, guess the SH right? Looking at options on my first desktop unit. Thanks guys

I think nowadays with the VROD available the only reason to go with the Showerhead would
be if you have another more prefered option for dabbing, otherwise even if u dont intend on dabbing now
it would be better getting the vrod since it has pretty the same performance flower wise AND a very good option vor dabbing/double deckers

Have you guys read @Likes2vape recent posts? It seems that unless you are big into "twaxing", the SH would still be the way to go for flowers....at least that's how it appears to me. If you are into dabs on a SiC halo, I still think a proper base would be the way to go for best of all worlds. With all that Ti, the holes, etc. on the vrod I would think it would be harsher for dabbing? The Vrod is a great compromise and best of both worlds, but for the purist I feel that the SH and a separate dab setup would be the way to go. If I ever returned to flowers, i'd be grabbing another SH indeed.

 

[JCat]

As solely just a flower user what would be the advise on which flowerpot to buy, guess the SH right? Looking at options on my first desktop unit. Thanks guys

There are some that have spoken out as the SH being slightly better than the vrod for flower only ... and you might be able to pick one up 2nd hand for a good price right now with some users parting with theirs in favour of the vrod (if you are a regular concentrate user)

 

[Lozo]

@biohacker and @JCat - Thank you both for the replies, that was my guy feeling and understanding but I wasn't 100% sure. I only a flower user so perhaps the SH is the best way to go for me. Thanks again

 

[ZeroChances]

The new Vrod came out and I heard it basically the showerhead and the other combined. Confirmed?

How long does it take to heat up?
Hoe long could i leave it on?
How long would the coil last being left on 24/7, ballpark number?
Whats is this thing im hearing about the Vrod getting stuck? I dont understand the acronyms sorry. What would i need to fix it.
And I guess is the Vrod better than the showerhead? Vrod is cheaper it just doesnt make sense to me.

 

[Justpassedu]

The new Vrod came out and I heard it basically the showerhead and the other combined. Confirmed?

How long does it take to heat up?
Hoe long could i leave it on?
How long would the coil last being left on 24/7, ballpark number?
Whats is this thing im hearing about the Vrod getting stuck? I dont understand the acronyms sorry. What would i need to fix it.
And I guess is the Vrod better than the showerhead? Vrod is cheaper it just doesnt make sense to me.

-Takes about 5 minutes to heat up.
-All day but I wouldn't leave it on if you are leaving the house.
-No telling how long a coil could last , should be a long time though, I have one going on a few years now.
-It can get stuck on the post you rest it on between hits from thermal expansion. Go with the Titanium post and you should be fine. If you don't and it does get stuck it comes right off with a little wiggle.
-Neither is better than the other. If you mostly only use flowers go showerhead , if you use both concentrate and flower VRod is a great choice.

Take a read through the thread , all of your questions have been answered in detail and you can find a wealth of information. Most of the questions I just answered have been elaborated on more if you do some reading. Best of luck.

 

[Hogni]

@biohacker
after all I've read performance of the SiC-WA shall be the same as the SiC D-Nail with Slim Series, even a bit better bc of the bigger thermal mass of the WA.
And performance of the VRod with SiC Halo is the same as that of the WA?

So you have at the end the best performance with the SiC Halo dish paired with the option of twaxing and/ or flowers, which are a bit better with the SH.

 

[biohacker]

after all I've read performance of the SiC-WA shall be the same as the SiC D-Nail with Slim Series, even a bit better bc of the bigger thermal mass of the WA.

I think that the extra thermal mass could create a hotter and thus harsher hit and also more reclaim. And, that's not even including a Ti bowl that it all has to go through (unless you're using a glass one of course). I prefer the minimalist form of a slim series base for dabbing, but still think the Vrod is a great compromise. I hope that NV wouldn't discontinue the SH as I think someone mentioned?

 

[thekayo]

I'm in the same situation with my 20mm showerhead. I can't get it apart
If I want a VROD, I'm going to have to buy a new coil as well.

I was in the same boat the other day after loading a gram of rosin through my showerhead in 2 days lmao. I unplugged the handle and all from the controller. dipped it in boiling hot water. let it cool. tried to unscrew. then i dipped it in a 99 percent alc bath. then i used some rubber gloves to unscrew it. it took a while and i almost lost hope a couple times. but keep trying lol.

 

[Vitolo]

I dont think the silver surfer will ever drop off the top ten.i purchased a flowerpot and the only reason its my DD is because is because the only glass parts are the bubblers that we couple yhem up with.the flowerpot forum wont have it but the ssv beats the flowerpot for flavour allllll day long and with a .1 load the flowerpot wont beat it for cloud production either. Lots of love for the ssv here.

It is still number 1 on my signature.

Guys! Once you try a Flowerpot, you won't EVER look back!

I have to agree with @Larrytargeteye
I love using the FP too, but it does require more devoted space, and has more items/parts to contend with. I use the FP dry, through a tube, but it has best function with water resistance.
Not everyone likes using water.
I am not a water fan myself. The smell of vaped water is unpleasant to me.
I also want all constituents of the bud in me, not left behind in a filter.
While I can extract all the goods from the material faster with FP, I find
the SSV to be much more flexible in terms of how much you want delivered, and how long it takes to get there.
You not only have the heat rheostat, you also have user control, of slowing breath for more heat, and speeding breath to cool things down.
I use the FP daily... that says alot considering how many vapes I have.
But I use the SSV 1st hit of the day, and last.
I sit before it for half of my daytime Desktop sessions.
I respect your thoughts on this @SunnyHours
As for running through herb quickly, my meds last about the same with both for me.. with a
slight leaning toward conserving meds toward the SSV.
Mine is on 24/7 and ready to serve!

 

[xlr8shun]

turn the showerhead top part (the part with the holes, and integrated dish) and the bottom nut (not the heat shroud) opposite each other.. remember, righty tighty, lefty loosey

i found that turning just the top, or the bottom nut would rotate the whole showerhead around the coil. turning them both against each other will give you more leverage and it should come apart, rubber gloves/silicon mats help with leverage.

if you decide to use pliers, remember to prevent marring and scratching wrap plier teeth with something soft, tissue, rubber pad, paper towel, old shirt, etc.

i also would caution against tightening anything with pliers, nothing should need to be that tight for the flowerpot to work correctly. in my experience finger snug is enough, it'll tighten up on its own after heating/cooling and usage. you may need some pliers to loosen things depending on usage, but i havent found a need to use pliers to tighten anything.

 

[invertedisdead]

I think that the extra thermal mass could create a hotter and thus harsher hit and also more reclaim. And, that's not even including a Ti bowl that it all has to go through (unless you're using a glass one of course). I prefer the minimalist form of a slim series base for dabbing, but still think the Vrod is a great compromise. I hope that NV wouldn't discontinue the SH as I think someone mentioned?

Shouldn't the Ti bowl be on par with the Ti joints in the slim series base? I think the air path is pretty much 100% Ti on both of them.

 

[JCat]

Shouldn't the Ti bowl be on par with the Ti joints in the slim series base? I think the air path is pretty much 100% Ti on both of them.

I don't think so ... I think @biohacker's point is very valid ... the slim series d-nail base would have just a ti tube that would go from the dish through the heatsink, and into the bowl. The vrod has all the surface area of the "showerhead" style head with lots and lots of Ti surface area (this is what makes it effective @ heating the air for flower extraction), and also the added surface area of the bowl. I'm sure the total Ti surface area that the air comes into contact with on the vrod is many times that of the slim series dnail base.

 

[biohacker]

Shouldn't the Ti bowl be on par with the Ti joints in the slim series base? I think the air path is pretty much 100% Ti on both of them.

Yes, of course but I think you missed my point. A slim series base/joint would have a fraction of the surface area that the vapour travels through vs the actual Vrod+bowl.

 

[JCat]

Yes, of course but I think you missed my point. A slim series base/joint would have a fraction of the surface area that the vapour travels through vs the actual Vrod+bowl.

I beat you to it and responded for you ... ...

 

[biohacker]

I beat you to it and responded for you ... ...

By a fraction of a second!

and into the bowl.

Bong!

 

[JCat]

By a fraction of a second!



Bong!

GonG! (guess if I had proof-read it you would have beat me! )

 

[Baron23]

I ordered a thermocouple thermometer yesterday to check this. Someone somewhere said I have to let it sit on there forever, but I can wait, so we'll see what it is at heat soaked levels anyway.

I think that would have been me. And yes, in general the K-type TC thermometers take a good while to get to and settle at temp. Much more time responsive thermometers (instant read kind of thing) fall into the pro equipment category and cost.

But all you have to do is sit there and keep the tip of the TC in the same place...dunno, maybe 3-4 minutes?

Have fun...post your results, please.

Not sure about product, try common metal polish ?

Semi-Chrome should work, I would think.

 

[ParanoidAndroid998]

I think that would have been me. And yes, in general the K-type TC thermometers take a good while to get to and settle at temp. Much more time responsive thermometers (instant read kind of thing) fall into the pro equipment category and cost.

But all you have to do is sit there and keep the tip of the TC in the same place...dunno, maybe 3-4 minutes?

Have fun...post your results, please.



Semi-Chrome should work, I would think.

Is it safe to use polish on something like this? With the high heat and inhaling through it? I'm a Neanderthal when it comes to this stuff.

 

[thekayo]

@Vitolo
@Larrytargeteye
While I have never tried the ssv It has a very similar flow to the extreme q. as in you probably load them roughly the same. and clean them same. whip and glass ect. The thing I found that I like about the new vape flowerpot is if I only use flower i only have to clean the bowl and bong. which require very little effort to keep clean. Its a very easy unit to load and unload. Its also made out of metal meaning I can pass it too my friends and dont have to worry about them breaking little pieces. I have nothing to say about vapor quality or production. But my extreme q was too slow to get me cooked. I have a similar feeling the ssv would be the same. the bong allows you to fill alot of smoke and its cooled a bit. allowing me to use more herb in less time. I tried using a water pipe with the extreme q for a while. It is a great unit and i got good results. just not as user friendly and i found myself having to replace parts often from how much it got used between me and my friends that come over.

 

[Baron23]

Is it safe to use polish on something like this? With the high heat and inhaling through it? I'm a Neanderthal when it comes to this stuff.

Well, you are going to clean the polish off of it after polishing and before using....right? I should think soap and warm water and, if still concerned a bit of an ISO soak, and if even still concerned a burn-off, should take care of it all, no?

Don't vape Semi-Chrome. Use it then clean the part.

 

[invertedisdead]

I don't think so ... I think @biohacker's point is very valid ... the slim series d-nail base would have just a ti tube that would go from the dish through the heatsink, and into the bowl. The vrod has all the surface area of the "showerhead" style head with lots and lots of Ti surface area (this is what makes it effective @ heating the air for flower extraction), and also the added surface area of the bowl. I'm sure the total Ti surface area that the air comes into contact with on the vrod is many times that of the slim series dnail base.

What effect do you believe that will have on the vapor?

 

[JCat]

What effect do you believe that will have on the vapor?

It's @biohacker's theory that it will make the vapour hotter as it heats it after extraction more ... convective style units that work well work on the concept of increasing the heated surface area (along with other factors such as air pressure etc) that the air travels through in order to increase the consistency of the heated air (ie. VXL EVO, NewVape ShowerHead, Supreme V3/V4, etc., etc.)

So if you have a larger heated surface area you expose the vapour to, then this will increase the vapour temperature by creating consistently heated/agitated air (or vapour/air mixture in this case)

This is all just in theory ... I don't have mine yet ... ordered 2 weeks ago tomorrow ... hopefully will have it Wed or Thu ... I also don't yet have a slim series base to compare it to ... so really ... unless I order one to test, or someone else does the comparison, it will all just stay in theory (theory seems relatively sound though ... who's up for testing?)

When biohacker mentioned it to me, it made sense though based on my experience with dozens of vapourizers over the years ...

 

[invertedisdead]

It's @biohacker's theory that it will make the vapour hotter as it heats it after extraction more ... convective style units that work well work on the concept of increasing the heated surface area (along with other factors such as air pressure etc) that the air travels through in order to increase the consistency of the heated air (ie. VXL EVO, NewVape ShowerHead, Supreme V3/V4, etc., etc.)

So if you have a larger heated surface area you expose the vapour to, then this will increase the vapour temperature by creating consistently heated/agitated air (or vapour/air mixture in this case)

This is all just in theory ... I don't have mine yet ... ordered 2 weeks ago tomorrow ... hopefully will have it Wed or Thu ... I also don't yet have a slim series base to compare it to ... so really ... unless I order one to test, or someone else does the comparison, it will all just stay in theory (theory seems relatively sound though ... who's up for testing?)

When biohacker mentioned it to me, it made sense though based on my experience with dozens of vapourizers over the years ...

@biohacker and I have been chatting about it for a few weeks. I did post in this thread a few months back that I suspected it was a factor on the Showerhead, and noted my theory of dabbing and added convective air adding some harshness to the experience, but when I addressed it to my buddies running the wrap-around, like @psychonaut he mentioned he did not notice any differences in harshness going from the Slim Series to the Wrap-Around. I assumed the air inlet being the bottleneck on the two Halo-centric designs was responsible (versus the 19 hole inlet on the SH) but perhaps you are right regarding the additional channels of the 19 hole design.

 

[psychonaut]

I have no worries that the vrod would have harsher vapor than the WA or halo on a slim base, but that's just my experience. I've never tried the vrod yet so I dunno for sure, but the WA and slim base both are smooth as can be for me! I've actually dropped my temps down from 620ish to 580F to savor more of the flavors.

I think the rig plays the biggest role to vapor smoothness, and the dish for vapor flavor.