Camouflet Convector XL

[SlickHenry]

That's a good spot. I assumed (wrongly) that the Ceramo XL used the same camo cap as the Convector XL.

I would imagine very little performance difference with the new SS XL cap to the titanium XL cap. The Convector XL cap also has SS plates. You can see this in their listing of materials and if you look at the separate parts listing:

Titanium construction with Stainless Steel Heater Plates.​

It is the SS plates you heat up so the rest of the cap materials are not a big deal to performance. Presumably it's to cut back slightly on manufacturing costs by using a SS casing on the new Ceramo XL cap. They made the original XL cap casing titanium to match the material of the stem.

The Super Capacitor cap will have more SS plates to hold the heat longer allowing you to take more and bigger hits for each heat up.

 

[n0tu2]

I picked up the Titanium XL a while ago.. be warned this vape has a learning curve! It's possible you might get lucky right away and the first go sets the tone.. I just have to master torching it before trying it with the wand (next) but a single flame just doesn't really cut it for this vape (unless it's a larger one, not very pocketable).. at least 10 or so frustrating practice bowls with some unsatisfactory results.. I think I had 3 or 4 good/ok sessions using the vapman premium single torch on full blast... the cheaper singles, forget it. you just have to torch it for so long with this type of torch.. I was up to 16-18 seconds from cold even more before I started to get something respectible for a first hit.. it's just way too long and annoying with a smaller single flame.. the torch gets so hot it even slows down the flame strength/output until it cools.. was about to throw the whole vape in a draw and park it until I decided to try one of my small triple flame torches on 3/4 open (these are even smaller then the vapman torch dimensions, easy to pocket). Game changer.. I pointed 2 of the 3 flames at the top rim on an upward angle and the 3rd flame hits between the last plate weld point and the rim while spinning. trying to focus the heat into the upper tip. 10-11 seconds from cold and it was like a damn hot ball vape hit.. I swear I thought I combusted but upon opening it.. it was as green as if I hadn't even started, lol. what is this sorcery? even the tip starting to anodize with the triple ..turned a yellowish/gold color. 8 seconds from cold gets a nice terp hit with some decent vapor. don't even think about another 8 seconds unless you want to burn the shit out of your throat. maybe 4-5ish seconds for the second go. Contemplating the ceramo now, lol.

Anyone else using a triple torch with this? Curious what your timings are from cold and secondary hits (if needed)? I'll dial in the perfect times for me eventually but curious what/how others are using it for manual/native use.. and or a more powerful single or double that isn't monster sized? The wand isn't that convenient to pocket, so torch mastry is a must as a fall back for me... tia

 

[RedZep]

I find thr CXL has such a small sweet spot, that using a torch is just too stressful. Those who mastered it, hats off to you. This vape is so reactive, hence the super quick heat up times. But that means the time it takes to go from perfect vape temp to combustion is tiny.

It's a bloody joy to use in the wand though. Fantastic wand experience. Just count the flashes. Very repeatable.

 

[coolbreeze]

I picked up the Titanium XL a while ago.. be warned this vape has a learning curve! It's possible you might get lucky right away and the first go sets the tone.. I just have to master torching it before trying it with the wand (next) but a single flame just doesn't really cut it for this vape (unless it's a larger one, not very pocketable).. at least 10 or so frustrating practice bowls with some unsatisfactory results.. I think I had 3 or 4 good/ok sessions using the vapman premium single torch on full blast... the cheaper singles, forget it. you just have to torch it for so long with this type of torch.. I was up to 16-18 seconds from cold even more before I started to get something respectible for a first hit.. it's just way too long and annoying with a smaller single flame.. the torch gets so hot it even slows down the flame strength/output until it cools.. was about to throw the whole vape in a draw and park it until I decided to try one of my small triple flame torches on 3/4 open (these are even smaller then the vapman torch dimensions, easy to pocket). Game changer.. I pointed 2 of the 3 flames at the top rim on an upward angle and the 3rd flame hits between the last plate weld point and the rim while spinning. trying to focus the heat into the upper tip. 10-11 seconds from cold and it was like a damn hot ball vape hit.. I swear I thought I combusted but upon opening it.. it was as green as if I hadn't even started, lol. what is this sorcery? even the tip starting to anodize with the triple ..turned a yellowish/gold color. 8 seconds from cold gets a nice terp hit with some decent vapor. don't even think about another 8 seconds unless you want to burn the shit out of your throat. maybe 4-5ish seconds for the second go. Contemplating the ceramo now, lol.

Anyone else using a triple torch with this? Curious what your timings are from cold and secondary hits (if needed)? I'll dial in the perfect times for me eventually but curious what/how others are using it for manual/native use.. and or a more powerful single or double that isn't monster sized? The wand isn't that convenient to pocket, so torch mastry is a must as a fall back for me... tia

I think I've found the same. It's possible to use a single-flame pocket torch but something like a Firefox makes it effortless.

I just tried the pb207 and it does pretty well, too. The pb207 is pocketable.

 

[n0tu2]

I find thr CXL has such a small sweet spot, that using a torch is just too stressful. Those who mastered it, hats off to you. This vape is so reactive, hence the super quick heat up times. But that means the time it takes to go from perfect vape temp to combustion is tiny.

It's a bloody joy to use in the wand though. Fantastic wand experience. Just count the flashes. Very repeatable.

ya, I figured.. that's why I'm holding off on the wand go.. I got the tempest down using torch and wand.. I'm sure it's easy w. the wand too but would feel like I was cheating if I couldn't torch it if needed, lol. but so far the hits are very close to desktop ball vape with the triple.. but be warned all flavor is almost nonexistent with this kind of heat tho.. the vapor tastes smoke like that's why I was convinced I combusted but it was not even browned one bit.. so I lowered it next go.. guess most are just using wands or their inductor with it..

It's almost like the reverse of what I learned to do..instead of slow and gradual heat build this one wants as many calories as you can give it and in the quickest time just into the tip to load it up with heat.. then you have maybe 2 seconds to start your 7 or 8 second native pull.. and it's a blast of vapor.

 

[n0tu2]

I think I've found the same. It's possible to use a single-flame pocket torch but something like a Firefox makes it effortless.

I just tried the pb207 and it does pretty well, too. The pb207 is pocketable.

I was looking at that one.. but 50ish dollars.. and I fear the ones on Amazon might be china clones.. need to find the one really made in japan from a respectable supplier.. did you get it in the US? I can order direct from the company in NY I think..

 

[coolbreeze]

I was looking at that one.. but 50ish dollars.. and I fear the ones on Amazon might be china clones.. need to find the one really made in japan from a respectable supplier.. did you get it in the US? I can order direct from the company in NY I think..

I got mine here (it's out currently). I think I got it here because it was the Japanese-made one:

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[n0tu2]

I got mine here (it's out currently). I think I got it here because it was the Japanese-made one:

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thanks! I'll keep an eye out for a re-stock.. might go direct to manufacturer if I get the itch.. this pb207 seems to be able to get up to 2500F for a single flame - that's pretty hot. I think the vapman premium can only get up to 1750F on full blast (the regular honests even less) but struggle if the flame is sustained for a while.. after 12+ seconds it starts having issues maintaining.. that's why the triple flame is kicking ass so far.. don't have to torch that long. would prefer a good/hotter single flame tho.. better heat focus.. just was weary of receiving a china clone that's no better then any regular discount single for 3x the price..

 

[SlickHenry]

I haven't found the torch particularly hard to get repeatable results with although I personally favour the larger single flame (Jobon Bullet).

If you watch the YouTube video by Lee from Tabletop Bong he does a demo with a torch (admittedly a small duel flame) also Troy and Jerry have a video where they are successfully using a single flame torch on the Convector:

look at 7m 40secs for a nice close up of their slightly different heating technique, which I was trying to allude to in an earlier post.

There is also a video at post #102 on this thread that shows use with a torch. I would say the key is once heated up to temperature pause for a few seconds, which allows the plate temperatures to equalise before hitting. Be cautious until you get the timing right and do a small test puff to see where you are. Draw speed is also a factor to bear in mind and can regulate the vapor production - slower draws create more vapor and more chance of combustion.

I definitely prefer using the wand as it's really easy and repeatable (even outside). I can get lovely flavour or face melting hits. I am yet to combust with this vape.

 

[stonedBBer]

I find thr CXL has such a small sweet spot, that using a torch is just too stressful. Those who mastered it, hats off to you. This vape is so reactive, hence the super quick heat up times. But that means the time it takes to go from perfect vape temp to combustion is tiny.

It's a bloody joy to use in the wand though. Fantastic wand experience. Just count the flashes. Very repeatable.

What settings and how long ?

 

[RedZep]

What settings and how long ?

I don't bother with wand settings. It's just a timer. I count 14 flashes for first cycle. Then 10 flashes for subsequent cycles. I just manually turn off the wand when it's finished heating.

 

[TedJones]

I would say the key is once heated up to temperature pause for a few seconds, which allows the plate temperatures to equalise before hitting.

For sure. If you listen closely, there’s a ‘tinging’ sound of the expansion & contraction of the metals in there. Same with the Injector. I let a second or two go by after it goes away.

Draw speed is also a factor to bear in mind and can regulate the vapor production

Huge factor imo. I’ve actually saved from combustion by starting off slow, and realizing I should let it cool more.

 

[coolbreeze]

There is also a video at post #102 on this thread that shows the technique with torch. I would say the key is once heated up to temperature pause for a few seconds, which allows the plate temperatures to equalise before hitting. Be cautious until you get the timing right and do a small test puff to see where you are. Draw speed is also a factor to bear in mind and can regulate the vapor production - slower draws create more vapor and more chance of combustion.

For sure. If you listen closely, there’s a ‘tinging’ sound of the expansion & contraction of the metals in there. Same with the Injector. I let a second or two go by after it goes away.

Huge factor imo. I’ve actually saved from combustion by starting off slow, and realizing I should let it cool more.

This all becomes ingrained pretty quickly, too, so it feels intuitive and natural once you get used to it.

 

[SlickHenry]

I don't bother with wand settings. It's just a timer. I count 14 flashes for first cycle. Then 10 flashes for subsequent cycles. I just manually turn off the wand when it's finished heating.

To be a bit clearer you need to be only heating the plates in the very tip and not the whole cap. I find inserting the cap approximately halfway into the wand is perfect. You can do the last 2 flashes fully inserted to turbo charge your hit. Camouflet did a nice video showing the exact technique here which they already shared on the thread:

There is a lot of useful information on this thread so it is worth looking back through.

 

[zeebudz]

Gorgeous XXL stem on the site now.

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Looks to be from this guy, not just for Camouflet (any 8mm tip).
https://www.reddit.com/r/vaporents/comments/1hhhuhm https://www.reddit.com/r/vaporents/comments/1hoe8cd

 

[TigoleBitties]

Gorgeous XXL stem on the site now.

XXL Stem - Cocobolo Edition

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camouflet.com

Looks to be from this guy, not just for Camouflet (any 8mm tip).
https://www.reddit.com/r/vaporents/comments/1hhhuhm https://www.reddit.com/r/vaporents/comments/1hoe8cd

Really beautiful work!

 

[Camouflet]

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Looks to be from this guy, not just for Camouflet (any 8mm tip).
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[WirtDog]

Do we have any feedback yet on the Flare induction heater with the XL? I have the Wand and it works well and as described here but the Flare should be better because you can set a timer and it has 3 batteries vs 2. I was going to order one yesterday but they are sold out again. I also wonder about reliability of the Flare. The Wand has proven to be well made and reliable from what I can read.

 

[Bonesvapechi]

Does the convector work with the yll induction heater?

 

[420pt]

Does the convector work with the yll induction heater?

My Convector TI does not work. Convector SS are suppose to.
Apparently a YLL batch not compatible with older DV caps and others.

 

[Ripstar]

My Convector TI does not work. Convector SS are suppose to.
Apparently a YLL batch not compatible with older DV caps and others.

Hmm, maybe this is why my XL gets insanely toasted anytime I try to use the inductor....

 

[StringTheorista]

Awesome, thanks. I believe that means a DV or CC condenser will work with it. I think the SS is a better option for the cap, tbh. They cool fast, this gives a little more retention if you're outside, plus the bowl won't pick up much heat to help with the roasting.

I agree, I was glad to hear it's SS, that sidesteps the whole "is titanium dioxide a problem" problem

 

[TigoleBitties]

I agree, I was glad to hear it's SS, that sidesteps the whole "is titanium dioxide a problem" problem

My understanding is that the "heater matrix" or heating plates that are inside every Camouflet tip are made of stainless steel, regardless of whether the rest of the cap is stainless steel or titanium. I believe it is this way as the matrix needs to be easily inductive and SS has better properties than titanium.

From the website: https://camouflet.com/products/camo-cap-titanium

Titanium construction with Stainless Steel Heater Plates.

 

[StringTheorista]

Yeah, but some folks had white oxide building up on the ti cap. I don't have any idea whether breathing titanium oxide is a problem, I prefer to just sidestep the whole thing. A 100% steel cap lets me do that. Same reason I like my lotus and didn't consider a brick--instead of trying to settle whether or not direct drawing butane vapes are a health risk, I just chose one that doesn't direct draw. I truly don't know the answer, I am happy I can side-step the potential issue and not have to delve into the argument

 

[Cacahuates]

I've been playing with the triple torch a bit more. Two flames placed on the top and one on the side. Nice quick heat ups 5-7 seconds and orange starts appearing in the flames.

I'm leaning towards the small honest torch more. It's a way longer heat up time (3x ~) but the vapour tastes way better and is thicker. Maybe the cap has more of a heat soak with a small flame over a longer time.

Loving this thing.