Ascent Vaporizer by DaVinci

Snake Plissken

Transcendentalist
I felt it didn't put out what you put in. I liked the oven capacity, but only if it would have been efficient. I averaged .7 loads. It was going somewhere besides into me. I would also expect to hit it 4-6 x after turning off as it kept cooking and producing vapor.
 

thesoloman

Well-Known Member
All good thoughts I think.



Edit: Hey, one other wild thought for those who've played with this guy, does it seem to 'burn' through the weed fast to you? It's nice enough and all, but half or less of the Ascent bowl in the Solo say is about as useful I think. Likewise, that same 1/8 gram load in MFLB. I don't think any is really escaping, but it's probably not a good choice if weed gets lean for you?

OF
Agreed!
 

OF

Well-Known Member
shiet how is that even possible ?!?!

How about the fellow with his seven gram blunts? I bet he can run up a serious weed tab on a 3 day weekend......

In a fun way we cover a huge spectrum of user levels it seems. We literally have guy that use under a gram a month and guys that might not make it to lunch with only that much. And room for all.....even the cloud chasers......most cool.

OF
 

Hexi

Well-Known Member
How about the fellow with his seven gram blunts? I bet he can run up a serious weed tab on a 3 day weekend......

In a fun way we cover a huge spectrum of user levels it seems. We literally have guy that use under a gram a month and guys that might not make it to lunch with only that much. And room for all.....even the cloud chasers......most cool.

OF

I live in one of the most expensive cities in the country, and at my go-to high end co-op / dispensary the priciest flowers they have are $290/oz if you go for a full OZ. I never get more than 1/8 per strain. I like to try out the different strains after so many years of just buying stuff based on whatever the guy had, it's so nice to be able to actually browse.

$300/oz was about the peak price I paid pre-dispensaries. Nice to see the prices slightly evening out, but still a lil over priced for the co-ops, a lot of it has to do with rent and marketing.
 

poonman

Well-Known Member
Not in design, but in QC, yes. My reasoning for believing this is all the complaints about the production units with problems that didn't exist on the beta units like mine.

I don't think it's smart for a manufacturer to send out ' faulty ' beta units .
They're usually the First reviews/hypes for a new product .
The betas got QC'd left and right , before shipping out .

As to what happened to the production run units .
Your guess is as good as mine .
Even tho some have received fine working units , I think the majority consists more of unsatisfied owners .
Someone guestimated 80 % to 20 % , that seems about right to me , from what I've read .

A lot of the posts are about DIY mods and QC issues , etc ... ( negative vibes )
When we should be praising it , and advising everyone to get on board for this new vape .( positive vibes)

I'm NOT sure a version 2 of the Ascent is even warranted . jmo
I think DV has to go back to the Drawing Board , and start again . jmo
 
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How about the fellow with his seven gram blunts? I bet he can run up a serious weed tab on a 3 day weekend......

In a fun way we cover a huge spectrum of user levels it seems. We literally have guy that use under a gram a month and guys that might not make it to lunch with only that much. And room for all.....even the cloud chasers......most cool.

OF
dude I live near that guy (like 300kms away actually) and never pay more then 5$ per g... How in the world is it quadrupule that price in ny ? :o

I'm NOT sure a version 2 of the Ascent is even warranted . jmo
I think DV has to go back to the Drawing Board , and start again . jmo
I really hope that's not the case !!! Ive preordered back in june :\
 
HMCS.AVENGER,

Dreamerr

Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
I have paid over 500 in ny so it is expensive but even in the legal states it is over 20 a gram. I get it cheaper but that is a discounted price of 10 about a gram for us poor folk. I call it a mj welfare card. In reality I can get cheaper in NY on the street and some good shit then I can get full price in my legal state.

Now back to the ascent....@OF now you see what I saw that it is burning through herb...do you think, like I said it is coming out of the grill or somewhere else? Do you think it is just the function of the conduction burning it faster without us absorbing enough?
 

OF

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Now back to the ascent....@OF now you see what I saw that it is burning through herb...do you think, like I said it is coming out of the grill or somewhere else? Do you think it is just the function of the conduction burning it faster without us absorbing enough?

I got it out in strong sunlight and couldn't find it escaping in enough volume to concern me. Beats me, I might be fooling myself, which is why I bring it up now. I tried small loads without success. FWIW I find the same thing with Bender as well. Plenty of nice vapor, but it takes a BUNCH in the bowl to get it going the way I'm doing it.......

One more detail to ponder.

OF
 
OF,

sxmokeUP

former combustionist
Everything is more $$$ in NY!!!
I have paid over 500 in ny so it is expensive but even in the legal states it is over 20 a gram. I get it cheaper but that is a discounted price of 10 about a gram for us poor folk. I call it a mj welfare card. In reality I can get cheaper in NY on the street and some good shit then I can get full price in my legal state.

Sorry for the Off Topic post. In NY just like everywhere else, they gotta eat and make money. Depending on the quality... hmm.. F.. the quality. Depending on the price your guy gets it for + how hungry they are will determine your price. I have seen wide differences in quality for all different prices. Seen the best I've ever seen for both $200 and for $400 depending on the person. I have also seen crap IMO, with prices at 400. I have gotten a person to lower their price by over $100/oz just by mentioning I can get it cheaper. Quality is subjective once you get past a certain grade. An icy nugget can be lower quality than stringy regz-looking bud. Seen and had them.

Capitalism and 'merica at its finest.
 

AscentiaL

New Member
OF, during your subsequent tests, could you try pressing the settings button, then the down button? I think that this (turning off the heating element, but not the LED display) shows the "true" temperature of the unit.

Can you compare this temperature to the one from your sensor? Thanks!
 
AscentiaL,
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OF

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OF, during your subsequent tests, could you try pressing the settings button, then the down button? I think that this (turning off the heating element, but not the LED display) shows the "true" temperature of the unit.

Can you compare this temperature to the one from your sensor? Thanks!

Yes, it seems to do exactly what the book would lead you to expect, the sensed temperature of the heater (not the load). The same reading it shows (in the same way?) as it ramps up to temperature (although it slowly decays of course). It is, of course, only loosely coupled to the load temperature as before. Hit it and the load drops 100 degrees or more and the displayed reading stays pretty much where it was.

Again, basically what happens on power up. IMO there is no ""true" temperature of the unit" available since there's no such sensor. There's only one sensor I believe, and it monitors the heater body not the bowl or load.

FWIW this one does not function as described in this respect? You must press the settings button down and hold it, then the down key, then release the down key and then the setting key. Like doing a shift, control or Alt function on your computer keyboard. Take too long and you end up in degrees C instead, goof up the timing (do it as described) and you end up still running but set one degree less.

I think this makes sense, standard protocols for keyboard controllers (like in your computer keyboard) is to report two actions for each keystroke. For example, typing a lower case a is 'a key down', followed by 'a key up'. Capitol A is 'shift key down', 'a key down' (same signal as above but without the 'shift key down' signal before it), 'a key up' and finally 'shift key up'. Four reports to get the full message across for capitol A. IMO the manual needs a little edit, doing it the way described doesn't work (at least on this one).

I can't say if that's the same for other units, of course, but it was confusing back when I was trying to get that function to work. The timer and motion sensor setting modes work as described, but not the standby???

You're welcome.

OF
 

AscentiaL

New Member
I see. The reason I was asking, was that I've found that the settings+down temperature was often much lower than the set temperature, especially at lower levels of battery. This is the only correlation I've found. However, there are other times where the temperature has been within a few degrees of correct. I'm wondering if you have found any other similar correlations, aside from immediately post-draw. Thanks again.
 
AscentiaL,

OF

Well-Known Member
Cloud chasers take note, I think I may have stumbled on something useful. It's a variation on the glass bead idea. Instead of a bead I used several of the little glass 'flower screens', four bucks for ten:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008Y9PNAQ/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The last few times I've used 6 or 7 of them, so you can loose a few and still play. The last bowl I used seven of them for one gram of glass (.99 actually, but who's counting?). This reduced the capacity to .20 grams of bud (more than cut in half by a bit). I put them in in layers, put a few in, load a pinch of weed, put a few more in, more bud and put the last one or two on top, poking the stem down into the load. It's really easier to do than it sounds. I use a toothpick to wiggle them around in the bowl if needed, but fine ground bud slips around the smooth surfaces easily and you end up with a solid packed bowl. Only half of it's glass now (so the amount needed is smaller) and the distributed mass and lots of surface area means that hot glass (remember it too goes to 400F with the load) is making contact with a lot of bud. I think maybe even as much as the flat surface of the wall of the oven? A handy thing to have around in the hit.

The results are striking (at least to me). In this last run, I gave it 3 minutes to 'soak' after the icon changed. From the experiments I figured it was about as high as it was going to get, I might have rushed that part a bit. I also gave it at least 2 minutes to recover between hits. Anyway, the vapor didn't drop off like before. I wasn't able to 'overrun' it like before. Four seriously heavy pulls (not normally my thing) and the load was exhausted. Toast. .2 grams gone in four hits. That's like 1.5 Solo stems. Nothing of importance escaped, it all came up the stem to me in four hits two minutes apart. Trust me it worked, about what you'd expect a stem and a half on the Solo to do, only compressed.

And sweet tasting too I'm thinking? I've been trying to put my finger on it, I think that might be a way to look at it. I noticed that putting ABV into the Solo at four (about on par I think) I was able to nurse one more OK hit out (not very tasty....). A little bit more, but much darker doing it. I'm thinking that since Ascent seems to heat to a uniform temperature then drop with the hit, where Solo does the opposite, idling at a lower temperature but quickly sweeping to higher temperatures in response to the hit it's easier to control the maximum temperature in Ascent? As long as there's enough heat for the next hit on tap you may well be better off with this system from a temperature control standpoint.......and I think the little glass flowers might be a good way to make that happen in a more useful manner for some of us.

I also have been playing with AscentiL's excellent suggestion and watching the display of sensor temperature (?) in real time in idle mode. It drops pretty slowly, which supports the idea that there's not a lot of draft bringing in cold air and stealing vapor. However, if you hit it fairly hard the rate at first does't change, then changes to fairly fast, which continues for some time after the hit, to finally go back to the slow rate from before the hit. I've done it several times in the 350 to 250 or so range cooling off. I think there's some fun stuff going on there and anybody can play and wonder that has a mind to.

So, how'd your Sunday night go?

OF
 

sam reynolds

because "Samantha" is a mouthful.
Cloud chasers take note, I think I may have stumbled on something useful. It's a variation on the glass bead idea. Instead of a bead I used several of the little glass 'flower screens', four bucks for ten:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008Y9PNAQ/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The last few times I've used 6 or 7 of them, so you can loose a few and still play. The last bowl I used seven of them for one gram of glass (.99 actually, but who's counting?). This reduced the capacity to .20 grams of bud (more than cut in half by a bit). I put them in in layers, put a few in, load a pinch of weed, put a few more in, more bud and put the last one or two on top, poking the stem down into the load. It's really easier to do than it sounds. I use a toothpick to wiggle them around in the bowl if needed, but fine ground bud slips around the smooth surfaces easily and you end up with a solid packed bowl. Only half of it's glass now (so the amount needed is smaller) and the distributed mass and lots of surface area means that hot glass (remember it too goes to 400F with the load) is making contact with a lot of bud. I think maybe even as much as the flat surface of the wall of the oven? A handy thing to have around in the hit.

The results are striking (at least to me). In this last run, I gave it 3 minutes to 'soak' after the icon changed. From the experiments I figured it was about as high as it was going to get, I might have rushed that part a bit. I also gave it at least 2 minutes to recover between hits. Anyway, the vapor didn't drop off like before. I wasn't able to 'overrun' it like before. Four seriously heavy pulls (not normally my thing) and the load was exhausted. Toast. .2 grams gone in four hits. That's like 1.5 Solo stems. Nothing of importance escaped, it all came up the stem to me in four hits two minutes apart. Trust me it worked, about what you'd expect a stem and a half on the Solo to do, only compressed.

And sweet tasting too I'm thinking? I've been trying to put my finger on it, I think that might be a way to look at it. I noticed that putting ABV into the Solo at four (about on par I think) I was able to nurse one more OK hit out (not very tasty....). A little bit more, but much darker doing it. I'm thinking that since Ascent seems to heat to a uniform temperature then drop with the hit, where Solo does the opposite, idling at a lower temperature but quickly sweeping to higher temperatures in response to the hit it's easier to control the maximum temperature in Ascent? As long as there's enough heat for the next hit on tap you may well be better off with this system from a temperature control standpoint.......and I think the little glass flowers might be a good way to make that happen in a more useful manner for some of us.

I also have been playing with AscentiL's excellent suggestion and watching the display of sensor temperature (?) in real time in idle mode. It drops pretty slowly, which supports the idea that there's not a lot of draft bringing in cold air and stealing vapor. However, if you hit it fairly hard the rate at first does't change, then changes to fairly fast, which continues for some time after the hit, to finally go back to the slow rate from before the hit. I've done it several times in the 350 to 250 or so range cooling off. I think there's some fun stuff going on there and anybody can play and wonder that has a mind to.

So, how'd your Sunday night go?

OF
I'm just glad you exist, OF. Have you tried designing a vape yourself? I have a feeling I would probably buy whatever you come up with...
 

OF

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I'm just glad you exist, OF. Have you tried designing a vape yourself? I have a feeling I would probably buy whatever you come up with...

Wow, thanks very much. I'm kind of glad I exist too, although I suspect for slightly different reasons?

No I'm not really interested in such a project, it would interfere with my new found career being retired I fear. For now I'm amusing myself trying to understand what's going on with the established and emerging vapes. Lots of cool stuff happening IMO. More options all the time.

Like all things in life, that could change too I guess. But it sounds like a lot of long nights, stress and grief I won't get paid for. I didn't really like that part when they paid me you know......

Thanks very much for the kind words, but for now I suggest you invest your money in some more top shelf bud to enjoy the excellent offerings in the market?

OF
 

Blackfish108

Well-Known Member
Just another update! I received an odd email on Friday from the shipping department over at DV that was completely blank aside from my order number on the header. Of course, I immediately thought my ascent had been shipped but much to my dismay, it had not as i just found out today. My conversation with one of the guys (don't want to name names) was on point as always. He even remembered my name from the last time i called a few weeks back which i was thoroughly impressed with. He recalled every little detail, amazing (I've been working in customer service for four years and i still can't remember our phone number sometimes). Anyway, after he broke the news to me, I started asking about what upgrades they are working on for the new version coming out in "hopefully the next two weeks". He gave me a surprisingly large amount of info that I was unaware of. I'll list what he said below:

1. They have totally replaced the circuit board to increase the battery life (This is not what I heard the lasts time I talked to the guy, seems to be a new development). He emphasized battery life a lot, like it had very little to do with anything aside from increasing it.

2. They have also fixed the "green wires that were visible in the bottom grate"

3. when i asked about the off-gassing, he said that they had already fixed the problem (not sure how)

4. He also mentioned something about a new design to tamp down the material, he also did not elaborate on this but i imagine it is some sort of a bead as mentioned earlier in these posts.

hope this helps.

//BF//
 
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Lazarus

Member
Just another update! I received an odd email on Friday from the shipping department over at DV that was completely blank aside from my order number on the header. Of course, I immediately thought my ascent had been shipped but much to my dismay, it had not as i just found out today. My conversation with one of the guys (don't want to name names) was on point as always. He even remembered my name from the last time i called a few weeks back which i was thoroughly impressed with. He recalled every little detail, amazing (I've been working in customer service for four years and i still can't remember our phone number sometimes). Anyway, after he broke the news to me, I started asking about what upgrades they are working on for the new version coming out in "hopefully the next two weeks". He gave me a surprisingly large amount of info that I was unaware of. I'll list what he said below:
1. They have totally replaced the circuit board to increase the battery life (This not what i herd the lasts time i talked to the guy, seems to be a new development). he emphasized battery life a lot, like it had very little to do with anything else aside from increasing it.
2. They have also fixed the "green wires that were visible in the bottom grate"
3. when i asked about the off-gassing, he said that they had already fixed the problem (not sure how)
4. He also mentioned something about a new design to tamp down the material, he also did not elaborate on this but i imagine it is some sort of a bead as mentioned earlier in these posts.

hope this helps.

//BF//



Well a lot of that is good news. Not happy about the two weeks wait but after all this time I'll manage a little longer.
 
Lazarus,

sam reynolds

because "Samantha" is a mouthful.
Well a lot of that is good news. Not happy about the two weeks wait but after all this time I'll manage a little longer.
Brace yourself, then--"two weeks" is DaVinci Code for "a couple of months." I'm sure it will be worth the wait, though. They learned a lot from the first batch that went out.

Edit: this isn't meant to disparage DV...things just seem to take longer than they account for. Add a bit of a buffer to whatever timeframe they say, and it helps ease the disappointment.
 

OF

Well-Known Member
Brace yourself, then--"two weeks" is DaVinci Code for "a couple of months." I'm sure it will be worth the wait, though...they learned a lot from the first batch that went out.

Boy, do I know that one. We'd get visiting scientists in to use the electron microscopes. They'd be holed up inside, in the dark (you need good 'night vision' to work them, it takes most guys half an hour or more) while you'd be wanting to go home. "Just five more minutes" might pass before the second coming of Christ, or it might not. Those five minutes inside were guaranteed to be much longer than five outside......Einstein might have been able to explain it, we couldn't.

Our standing joke was 'there must be a different number of seconds in a scientist's minute sometimes'.

Don't try being late back from lunch, of course. Sometimes they tell time same as you and me.

OF
 
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