Ascent Vaporizer by DaVinci

[Silvercloud538]

Not to get too confused with all the different types of batteries. The type of battery used in Ascent should definitely not be fully charged unless you're going to use it. Charging past about 80% puts it 'on borrowed time'. Where as they're fine many years later stored at reduced levels (like ten years), a year at full charge, even if never used, is usually fatal. This is why they come shipped partially charged, as they should be stored.

If you stop the charge just 10% early (at 90% rather than 100%) you double the useful life of the battery. Drop it to 80% and the battery "cycle life" doubles again! Not as many sessions per charge, but LOTS more recharges per battery.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

OF

Again ,maybe me should hit the crap table ,Vegas style ,since my Li-ion batt for

bicycle gets overnite charges from gitgo w/o 'any' loss of longevity ~ in fact ,if

they get freshened after a week of non-use ,15-30 min bring it up to par ~ as for

your figures 20%/ 100%/80% ,might work for you ,but am super satisfied to be

getting the excellent performance ~ was told avrg life of batt < 3 yrs ,not "5"

 

[cornwalis]

Ya mine last a dam good amout of time when the bateries is not solid no more I know I'm on my last session on the charger it goes I've got lots of time on my hads with my illness but not that much time to borrow about charging lvls It would be never ending the about of stuff I have that needs recharging. I'd gouge my eyes out bloody. He. Means longevity. As in recharge cycles and baterie degradation I wouldn't if their just flat top batts with wire said erd on or if they just pop in like it had a baterie door.

 

[KeroZen]

If you read the thread you would know that opening the Ascent to service the batteries will not be as easy as you imagine... When they are dead, for most people it will mean a paid return to DaVinci or the recycle bin...

Those are not my recommendations by the way, the battery institute website @OF re-linked is a reliable source of info and will tell you basically the same things I did, although probably better worded as I'm no native english speaker.

Have fun while it lasts, even when trying to follow these recommendations, my Ascent will reach one year of daily use soon (1 to 2 charges+discharges per day) and its batteries are already deteriorating... and I really tried to nurture them.

 

[Silvercloud538]

If you read the thread you would know that opening the Ascent to service the batteries will not be as easy as you imagine... When they are dead, for most people it will mean a paid return to DaVinci or the recycle bin...

Those are not my recommendations by the way, the battery institute website @OF re-linked is a reliable source of info and will tell you basically the same things I did, although probably better worded as I'm no native english speaker.

Have fun while it lasts, even when trying to follow these recommendations, my Ascent will reach one year of daily use soon (1 to 2 charges+discharges per day) and its batteries are already deteriorating... and I really tried to nurture them.

FWIW ,your statement re: life ends @ 24 mos. is inaccurate ~ FYI ,a 6 mo

extended warranty is available starting w/ 25 mo. ( ie.,exchange batt for

'"new"') ~ fee less than 50$ ,lol ~ will last longer than your expectations

 

[OF]

@OF the problem is that this bloody battery indicator doesn't show the charge level, just a silly animation... so unless you always time your sessions it's hard to know when to stop charging.

Yep. My solution was to modify the 'gadget' I made to do the same thing in the Solo (different connectors, different charge levels):

The charger plugs in upper left. When the switch (lower right, pokes through cover) is pushed, the transistor top center supplies power out the black cable. 10 seconds later the processor (lower left) starts checking the current draw. When the current drops (as the charger shifts from CC to CV) and passes the value selected on the blue resistor upper right, the charge is stopped (at 90% or so typically). The beeper beeps once at start of charge, and 3 times when it terminates. BTW it also takes less time to charge, that last 10% takes half an hour or so (depends on level set and battery age). So if you were recharging in two hours, it's now 90 minutes.

I even took an old prototype and added a regulator so it runs on 12VDC (not the charger provided), the regulator is below the gadget:

OF

 

[Silvercloud538]

BTW peeps w/ Gongs ,after awhile and many glass cleanings ,you might notice a

little play w/Gong & glass stem affecting air ratios ~ sooo me recommends to

rotate Gong @ 20-25 degrees ,clockwise ~ it should take up any loose slack and get

ya back on *track

Psst* once in awhile we all will experience digital lag w/ our Ascents ~ By all means 'don't' freak and immed call warranty for RMA ~ it's prolly just a reboot that's necessary ~ just happened to me ,temp kept falling off while in gear w/ plenty juice ~ simply connect charger ,press all 3 buttons simultaneously and wait 7 secs you should be good to go ~ VAPE on

 

[mixchu69]

Not to get too confused with all the different types of batteries. The type of battery used in Ascent should definitely not be fully charged unless you're going to use it. Charging past about 80% puts it 'on borrowed time'. Where as they're fine many years later stored at reduced levels (like ten years), a year at full charge, even if never used, is usually fatal. This is why they come shipped partially charged, as they should be stored.

If you stop the charge just 10% early (at 90% rather than 100%) you double the useful life of the battery. Drop it to 80% and the battery "cycle life" doubles again! Not as many sessions per charge, but LOTS more recharges per battery.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

OF

Damn... Good advice and will start using my ascent differently....all I do is full charge and let it sit while I rotate my vapes... I will start trying to do 70-80% charge...not sure how I can measure it since my ascent doesn't have accurate battery (mine specifically) but I'll guess it

 

[Silvercloud538]

MSNBC new addition to '"Pot Series Colo"' > N O W

 

[OF]

Damn... Good advice and will start using my ascent differently....all I do is full charge and let it sit while I rotate my vapes... I will start trying to do 70-80% charge...not sure how I can measure it since my ascent doesn't have accurate battery (mine specifically) but I'll guess it

Another way to handle it is to immediately run a session or two after charging (enough to get 'into range'). No sense in wasting it, so you should probably put a load of something tasty in it.........

Small sacrifice to make, really, given the benefits.....

OF

 

[cornwalis]

Ya looks like all the screw hols are covers by glued on plastic it was put together take it apart. I'm almost 1 year into this unit and still holds a like day Day I got it as long as over night charge it I'm sure I can mange. I cut up my kimpex atv plow tossed out their crappy designed mount in the scrap pile and made mount for the nose of my atv with a quick release handle Why toss it in the basket when e bateries die give it away sure one can use it plugged into a wall beside the sofa

 

[mixchu69]

Damn. Should have bought the burl wood ascent, not the crocodile after looking at eds tnt wongs. That one picture of the wooden Wong with burl wood looks amazing.

http://www.edstnt.com/index_files/Davinciascentwoodenvaporstems.htm?

Right above cocobolo.

 

[cornwalis]

My carbon fibre on lower half is coming off on the back sat finish looks all bubbly thought it was crud tried rub it off it was ent

 

[Silvercloud538]

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My carbon fibre on lower half is coming off on the back sat finish looks all bubbly thought it was crud tried rub it off it was ent

got a pic possibly ?/?

 

[cornwalis]

I tried can't see nothing in pic just reflects even with no flash davinci told me To give Toronto vaporizers a shout

 

[Silvercloud538]

I tried can't see nothing in pic just reflects even with no flash davinci told me To give Toronto vaporizers a shout

Me hopes it's not a serious issue ,my carbon fibre just arrived today ~ sure would

hate to give up on such a smart looking fella ,lol

 

[cornwalis]

It's on the back side toward bottowm on the bowl half. it seems to get hotter on that side So I don't no If just the oils from my skin and the warmth helped it along it does get charged 3 times a day at least on my bad days So she's got mileage Think it will be 1 year this June

 

[Silvercloud538]

Ya ,seems like you could use som extra zap juice in arsenal ? ~ me just finished

medley design of shatters >girl scout cookies OG ;Og Kush OG ; Saturn OG in

order to keep tolerences in check

Since you hav plenty of time left before graduation to extended warranty if

needed ~

 

[cornwalis]

Shatter is non existant here I'd have to make it my self I got sum og. Blue cheese. Pink lady pink kush purple candy And mighty . Sfv my personal fave. Right their haste the flame and all I'm looking for is my tolerance is kind of insane

 

[Silvercloud538]

Gotcha guy ~ you're going to hav to take sum time off and visit weedland USA ~

( LA )

 

[Sativape]

Another way to handle it is to immediately run a session or two after charging (enough to get 'into range'). No sense in wasting it, so you should probably put a load of something tasty in it.........

Small sacrifice to make, really, given the benefits.....

OF

We should also keep in mind that vapes are extremely demanding in regards to the discharge rate from the battery.

Keeping the battery level at an optimum charge level on a low current demand device is easy.

It is very difficult to do this on a vape because so much energy is depleted from the battery even with one session.

IMO, the optimum method of lengthening the battery life on a vape is to use the vape plugged in as much as possible.

I do this for both my Ascent and PNP.

I wish all vapes had pass through or charge while in use capabilities.

My PNP (1 year old) still holds enough charge for 4 sessions.

I will see how my Ascent holds up with my 80% plugged in vs 20% not plugged in usage.


On another note:

 

[cornwalis]

Ohhhh ya its legal in sum states I'm in port Colborne ontario basicle a hop and skip to Buffalo if was legal their I'd never leave yo ascent pretty close to a year heavy use and charging and batts are holding up better than I ever thought any one no what's going on with Toronto vaporizers no aanswer on the phon left multi msg and email like to get this Warrenty started. I am looking for a new home vape sum thing transportable the herbie 2.1 is still going but don't seem to heat as good thees day

 

[Silvercloud538]

A li'l patience now ,won't be long 'til entire free world will accept will of peeps +

fulfilling needed revenue streams

So far ,my 1st time out w/ glass flowers not good ~ used oval shape screen over

oven floor ,then layered ( 3 layers ) 3 x 2 = 6 screens ( 3 center layer ,3 thumbtack

top ) ~ maybe too many screens ,or too large load ( 0.5 g + 0.35 g wax ) ??

CONS : burn't ABV ,charred oven walls ,broken glass flowers ,not looking good ~

Me prefers bottom screen ,2 glass flwers @ thumbtack top ,then covered w/ oval

screen w/ smooth edge ( no interference w/ glass filter )

EDIT: since there is still a positive vibe towards GF ,will experiment w/ less pcs

( maybe 4 vs 6 )

EDIT : IMO ,after experimentation ,hav found best method to maintain

consistent vapor w/o extended stirring ~ using just '2' flowers as pinners to top

layer under metal screen ~ after considerable sessions ,my 1st stir involves

mixing pinners to mid-bowl and let them do their conductive stuff ~ Bottom line

only loose darkish ( prolly due to @ 0.5 g shatter ) ABV

 

[OF]

It is very difficult to do this on a vape because so much energy is depleted from the battery even with one session.

IMO, the optimum method of lengthening the battery life on a vape is to use the vape plugged in as much as possible.

I disagree on both points. The fact that a full charge covers only a few sessions, and the sessions are pretty short, makes it much easier to discharge to say 75 or 80%. Running a single session would do it, and most can still count to one. 10 minutes or so on Ascent against say a week on my Kindle? The idea being to not allow it to sit fully charged.

And leaving it plugged in is absolutely the worst thing you can do for battery life. This leads to long time periods at full charge, a very bad idea for the reasons we've covered a few times recently.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

Please review the information around Figures 3, 4, and 5. It shows this graphically.

IMO "the optimum method of lengthening the battery life on a vape" is not to "use the vape plugged in as much as possible", but ironically as little as possible? Don't recharge (plug it in) until all (or most) of the charge is used then plug it in only long enough to recharge (ideally to 80 or 90%). If you charge to 100% and don't plan to use it fairly soon (say within a few days?), then discharging it some before putting it away is worth considering.

OF

 

[Sativape]

I disagree on both points. The fact that a full charge covers only a few sessions, and the sessions are pretty short, makes it much easier to discharge to say 75 or 80%. Running a single session would do it, and most can still count to one. 10 minutes or so on Ascent against say a week on my Kindle? The idea being to not allow it to sit fully charged.

And leaving it plugged in is absolutely the worst thing you can do for battery life. This leads to long time periods at full charge, a very bad idea for the reasons we've covered a few times recently.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

Please review the information around Figures 3, 4, and 5. It shows this graphically.

IMO "the optimum method of lengthening the battery life on a vape" is not to "use the vape plugged in as much as possible", but ironically as little as possible? Don't recharge (plug it in) until all (or most) of the charge is used then plug it in only long enough to recharge (ideally to 80 or 90%). If you charge to 100% and don't plan to use it fairly soon (say within a few days?), then discharging it some before putting it away is worth considering.

OF

I don't recommend leaving it charged in while not in use.
Although, most vapes do stop charging after the battery is "fully" charged.

If vapes continued to charge while plugged in... then this would be a problem.

I do strongly recommend using it plugged in while in use.

If a device has built in charging capabilities, then keep in mind that the onboard circuitry is designed in a way that it will not overcharge the battery.

When the device shows 100%, this is a display only.

I work with NiCad, Nimh and Lipo batteries.
Batteries have changed and developed.
So have charging devices.

Your method would apply to low milliamp current devices..

With a slow C rate or discharge rate, then what you say is correct.

Discharging and charging cycles from almost empty to full is healthy.

But with such a fast discharge rate of the batteries due to the high demand of the heating element, it is very bad for the life span of the battery.

Supplementing or bypassing the battery by using it plugged in the best solution! IMO.

 

[Delta3DStudios]

I don't recommend leaving it charged in while not in use.
Although, most vapes do stop charging after the battery is "fully" charged.

If vapes continued to charge while plugged in... then this would be a problem.

All this talk about charging cycles and the Ascent got me thinking about a post I remembered reading by @Davinci_vaporizer - Luckily I was able to dig it up

We run the vaporizers through a few charge cycles in the factory prior to shipping them out. It is part of our QC process to charge the units, make sure they heat properly then let them completely drain and repeat. This ensures that the batteries are set to give you the longest possible usage time out of your vape. The batteries are also always tested to make sure the volts match. Often times, when the unit accepts a charge but only works while plugged in it is due to battery damage so we try to control that as much as possible. We also always replace the batteries with brand new ones when your unit is sent in for repair, regardless if they are functioning properly or not. We are currently working on a way to have the vaporizer stop accepting a charge when it is fully charged. Any suggestions?