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Ascent Vaporizer by DaVinci
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adamm
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My bowl has a crack in it too, hopefully its okay to continue use as I'm enjoying it so much I don't really want to send it back lol. Doesn't seem to have any affect on anything.
Hello, how long did you do a burn off for? Try it at 400 degrees for an an entire charge. If you want, put isopropyl alcohol in the chamber and the internals and turn it on without the glass the alcohol might help. The smell and taste will not go away without use. The material is going to smell like what it is made of until it is altered with vapor. When it is warmed the pores open up and eventually it will taste like vapor not silicone.
8 burn off's at max, 430 degrees. The burn off's were producing visible smoke/fumes. I realize the plastic smell is to be expected because of what it is made of and that was not my concern (However, I assumed properly cured silicone should not give off any scent while being heated under it's boiling point). I understand using it will definitely replace the smell but of course I'd rather start off with a unit that does not produce smoke/fumes.
I have contacted customer service, who are very pleasant and seemingly eager to please, so I hope to be writing back here while finally being able to enjoy my unit.
hoptimum
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where were the "smoke" and "plastic smells" coming from? under the bowl through the vents when it was empty? Or from somewhere else. Did you actually see any melted plastic. Are there any cracks in your bowl?
Yeah our customer service is awesome. If you need any help or have any questions feel free to private message me as well. We definitely want you to enjoy your vaporizer and be satisfied with your purchase.
The smoke was coming from under the unit through the grill, and it was empty and clean as it has never been used. I did spend a lot of time peering in through the grill with a magnifying glass and flashlight trying to figure it out and there didn't appear to be anything melting from the limited view of the internal parts I had and the bowl was in good condition with no cracks.
vzno
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You assumed right, well cured silicone should not give off any scent.
If you try it with herbs (as Davinci told you to do), you will mask the smell (as you already said in a previous comments).
In my opinion, you can ask for a new device as many time as you want, you will still have all the smell problem you mentionned.
New buyers will tell you that the smell will disapear with use (Davinci told you that as well) .... Unfortunately they are right.
You did right running blanks, observing smoke and smell it as well.
Peace and tranquility
OF
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You realize those two statements don't go together unless you include "it's impossible to get well cured silicone on the next unit you get". That is what you say exists won't ever be used in an Ascent? Why?
There is a lot of work on "out gassing" of silicone rubbers (as well as epoxies and other similar system), much of it sponsored by NASA, it's basically a diminishing returns thing. It is constantly slowing down as individual molecules of the catalyst make their way to the surface and evaporate off (so we can smell them). Heat, vacuum and time effect this. But like watering your Scotch, there's still some detectable amounts (with instruments) past were you can smell them. That's what well (or properly) cured means. Not complete, but to an insignificant level. There are standards but no tests for this.
There is going to be some catalyst, whether that can be detected by the owner is not a given. There is a HUGE difference in smell sensitivity in us humans. Some people can smell stuff only bloodhounds do, other people don't smell very good at all...........
It's also worth noting that 'food grade' (which this no doubt is) catalysts are used over the cheaper, easier to use kinds, specifically because it's not toxic. Repeating that, the 'evil toxic fumes' are not really a hazard as we define them. Unpleasant perhaps, off putting to some no doubt, but claims that they are dangerous from a health standpoint should IMO be backed up or dropped.
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Smknbud
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Why unfortunately? Or did you really mean to say fortunately?
OF
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Good question, but I read it as he didn't mean he though that was correct/good. "Unfortunately" seems what was intended to me.
Perhaps I misread it, but IMO that fits in with the rest of the post? My 'take' is the smell, which is not a health issue to start, continues to diminish over time as the remaining material is depleted (remember, until it evaporates we can't smell or otherwise detect it and once it evaporates it's no longer there.....). And it's masked by other, stronger, smells from vaping. Ironically, that condensate will seal the 'vapor path' first, so while you might smell or see it on the outside it's not in the vapor you take in.
New tennis shoes come out of the box stinking of rubber. But after some 'airing out' (catalysts evaporating) they smell more like sweaty feet?
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vzno
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Hey guys
I already made my points a few weeks ago and I had the impression I didn't make a lot of friends here...
My opinion is still the same : poor quality device (assemly, raw materials, etc).
Concerning the "Unfortunately" I think that is what I wanted to say (not native, do my best).
Unforfortunately, most of the users don't run blank, they use their device directly. They would be very surprised to see and smell what the herbs (or first uses) really mask.
You can run as many blanks as you want without really using it, you will still observe a little smoke (with a light behind) and a smell something, a bad smell. Personnaly I gave up after several blanks at max temperature, I was too bored and wanted to vaporise my pretty little green herb
That is why they are unfortunately right when they say that using it will cover everything. They cover/mask the defects of this device. They are happy with it. Davinci is happy too...
That is also why Davinci will surely advice you to use it rapidly!
Anyway, you can still continue to enjoy testing your product and defend it (You do it far better than Davinci). I did a few tests myself and enjoyed them too, that's funny, but I can't stand this little hidden bad smell and I imagine the little smoke I saw from the blanks...
At least they have a very good customer service to take back their devices... Everyone is happy, or not.
Remember : full glass path thay said !!! When I saw that I said to myself : I'm gonna have pure vaps sessions and I ordered it...
Still, something is good about it: portability and temperature control.
Peace and tranquility.
I forgot: trust me, I'm a polymer scientist
I already made my points a few weeks ago and I had the impression I didn't make a lot of friends here...
My opinion is still the same : poor quality device (assemly, raw materials, etc).
Concerning the "Unfortunately" I think that is what I wanted to say (not native, do my best).
Unforfortunately, most of the users don't run blank, they use their device directly. They would be very surprised to see and smell what the herbs (or first uses) really mask.
You can run as many blanks as you want without really using it, you will still observe a little smoke (with a light behind) and a smell something, a bad smell. Personnaly I gave up after several blanks at max temperature, I was too bored and wanted to vaporise my pretty little green herb
That is why they are unfortunately right when they say that using it will cover everything. They cover/mask the defects of this device. They are happy with it. Davinci is happy too...
That is also why Davinci will surely advice you to use it rapidly!
Anyway, you can still continue to enjoy testing your product and defend it (You do it far better than Davinci). I did a few tests myself and enjoyed them too, that's funny, but I can't stand this little hidden bad smell and I imagine the little smoke I saw from the blanks...
At least they have a very good customer service to take back their devices... Everyone is happy, or not.
Remember : full glass path thay said !!! When I saw that I said to myself : I'm gonna have pure vaps sessions and I ordered it...
Still, something is good about it: portability and temperature control.
Peace and tranquility.
I forgot: trust me, I'm a polymer scientist
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OF
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Remember : full glass path thay said !!! When I saw that I said to myself : I'm gonna have pure vaps sessions and I ordered it...
I forgot: trust me, I'm a polymer scientist
Actually I think they claimed an 'all glass vapor path' which I think it is? Yes, it depends on rubber seals, but they are not part of that path? IMO that's an honest statement to make.
Interesting, you're really a polymer scientist? Then you know there's no health issue here, right?
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vzno
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Hi,
Yes, if it was full of glass that wouldn't work at all (my mistake).
I disagree for the all glass vapor path, to many leaks,
Anyway, the rubber parts (seals or not) have a strong smell which last.
By the way, what does "IMO" means? People use it often here and I don't understand.
I have never talked about health issues here. I am not a specialist in this field.
What I can say is that smoke and smell of plastics in general don't sound good for a vaporizer.
And yes I am a polymer and composites engineer who made some years of research in the field of biopolymers and composites foams. I have also worked with silicones for an other projet. I also have studied rubbers mechanical behaviour.
Peace and tranquility.
OF
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Leaks of air in have nothing to do with the vapor path (the air just joins the vapor.....), right? The vapor is not formed in, nor transported past, anything but glass. That is, I think, the definition we count on here? I count the glazing on the bowl as the glass it is.
They did not advertise a 'gas tight' system. Such things, like 'zero outgassing' basically don't exist. Any practical system will have vacuum leaks at some level.
IMO is shorthand for In My Opinion, a qualifier, sorry for the confusion.
You didn't specifically state it, but it's inferred in what you say and championed by alarmists in many threads around here. You don't have to be a specialist in Health issues to know as a scientist that food safe catalyst outgasing is not a health issue. As an expert in catalyst systems you must understand the nature of outgassing.
So do you or don't you think there's a health issue here? TIA
I just don't want folks getting the idea Ascent is unsafe, unless, of course, they have some evidence?
Thanks.
OF
vzno
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As I said:
"I have never talked about health issues here. I am not a specialist in this field.
What I can say is that smoke and smell of plastics in general don't sound good for a vaporizer."
I can add: I have never talked about "food safe catalyst outgasing etc" neither about food grade materials in generals.
If you don't have to be a specialist to answer your question without any element or evidence, just ask Davinci
I understand that you want an answer : Yes/No.
But I don't have it.
I am currently using my device, is that comforting you ?
"I have never talked about health issues here. I am not a specialist in this field.
What I can say is that smoke and smell of plastics in general don't sound good for a vaporizer."
I can add: I have never talked about "food safe catalyst outgasing etc" neither about food grade materials in generals.
If you don't have to be a specialist to answer your question without any element or evidence, just ask Davinci
I understand that you want an answer : Yes/No.
But I don't have it.
I am currently using my device, is that comforting you ?
OF
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I understand that you want an answer : Yes/No.
But I don't have it.
I am currently using my device, is that comforting you ?
OK, but I think you do have the answer. I think you think it's safe or you would not be using it?
Again, I never said you said it wasn't safe. But you were going on and on about vapors and such and inferring it was not good. And as I said, naysayers on these threads typically throw wild claims about 'mystery vapors', 'toxic fumes' and so on around. I figured as an expert on such vapors and having typical Chemical Hygiene training you could add to the 'is outgassing from food grade catalysts hazardous?' discussion.
I guess I get you're not in the mood to support Ascent's safety as an issue, which is cool.
Thanks anyway. I hope you're enjoying your Ascent, IMO you should, I'm just about to take mine out to the garden for just that purpose. Girl Scout Cookies and seven flowers loaded and ready, battery charged, good times a comin'.
OF
If you drive a car you get plenty of plastic off gassing from the plastics in the interior. It does diminish after a awhile but it will continue. @vzno, what are the cons you see with the Ascent? You complain about the off gassing but state you don't know if it's un healthy or not and you are using the unit. You've got me a bit confused.
vzno
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see#6310 for the cons
I complain mostly because I just want to "breathe" my herbs and smell my herbs ONLY.
Not a smelly plastic at the same time. I'm not asking for the moon or talking about health issue : TASTE and SMELL that's all I want.
And if, for the expensive price of this device, I have had a good quality product (assembly, etc.) That would have been convenient as well.
I'm using my device because I'm waiting for next month to buy another one. I stopped smoking 1,5 month ago and I'm quit obliged to use my ascent at the moment.
I'll use it as a backup (if needed) when I will have my new vap
cream mandarine time 
And bed time, 1am in France
I complain mostly because I just want to "breathe" my herbs and smell my herbs ONLY.
Not a smelly plastic at the same time. I'm not asking for the moon or talking about health issue : TASTE and SMELL that's all I want.
And if, for the expensive price of this device, I have had a good quality product (assembly, etc.) That would have been convenient as well.
I'm using my device because I'm waiting for next month to buy another one. I stopped smoking 1,5 month ago and I'm quit obliged to use my ascent at the moment.
I'll use it as a backup (if needed) when I will have my new vap
cream mandarine time And bed time, 1am in France
A crack should not effect the vaporizing experience if it is just a minor cosmetic crack. If it proves to be an issue please contact our customer service and they will get you taken care of. Have you noticed a difference in function with the crack?
adamm
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Appreciate the response, thank you
Seems to function perfectly fine to me, certainly no different to how it was from day 1. I'm not sure how long it has been there as I noticed it during its first good clean when the resin was left in the crack.
Edit- as you can see its only small.
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ConfusedVapeGuy
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So inhalation of food grade non toxic plastic is a factor with ALL vapes?
OF
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Of course not. None of the ones with no plastic can possibly be a problem this way, and of those that do have plastics or rubber in them, those materials must get hot enough to emit vapors of any sort.
OF