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DJLocks

Member
I respect your opinion, but could you offers some insight as to how you arrived at it?

Note: The Anvil is $229.00 USD not $300.00 USD. In relative terms, the DV Omni is $220.00 USD.

... holy crap... I was already in 'shut up and take my money' territory at $300 usd... god bless exchange rates
 
DJLocks,
I got the Blazer Firefox in. It’s working, but it seems impossible to have a smaller flame with this thing. Is this really not too much power for the Anvil? Here is what my flame looks like on a similar setting as @seki showed in his photo a few pages back. Mine seems to be much larger but it’s hard to tell. The inner flame is definitely well over 1” long here. There’s not much room on the dial to turn this down further without turning it off entirely. Thoughts? I don’t have my Anvil yet so I can’t test it out.

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Crust

Active Member
I agree, it's not like a Dynavap at all. My assumption is the sweet spot for applying heat to create a longer vapour production window is somewhere between 40-60 seconds. It's been my experience that anything beyond that would be subject to diminishing returns and risks combustion. I guess I should have clarified that I consider a "slow" heat up to be somewhere in the 45-60 second range and what I consider fast is 25-35. This all depends on your torch and flame size too of course, so it's all relative. My set up results in 40 second heat ups to the click from cold on a full chamber and yields 30+ second windows through glass consistently. I posted a pic earlier in the thread illustrating my set up for testing using the exact same parameters, (load amount, flame size) in order to gauge how many cycles a Firefox could output:
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I found even a smaller flame size properly placed can yield good results. Do you find the more aggressive heating results in longer vapour production windows? To be fair, when I heat that way I'm typically trying to extract as quickly as possible so I don't really make note of heat retention specifically in those instances.

On a different note, Does anyone have any thoughts on the device being conduction vs. convection? I noticed John mentioned that it's mostly a convection device in the Sneaky Pete interview. I think the idea was that the herb decarboxylates from ambient heat as it's applied, but is primarily convection once a draw is taken and the air is forced through the chamber. I don't know how I'd characterize the vapour to be honest. It doesn't feel or taste like your "traditional" convection device like the Flowerpot, Herborizer or other injector style devices out there. But it also differs from conduction devices like the VapCap or even a Vapman. If the link isn't working properly, the section in question is at approximately 48:00 into the video:
To be clear, I'm not holding him at his 95%-98% convection statement. I'm not sure I agree, but I get that he's just estimating and throwing a number out there. The vapour is thick like you'd expect out of a conduction device, but doesn't quite have the same taste, that's the main thing that stops me from arguing that it's mainly conduction. I couldn't argue effectively against that, but it just doesn't "feel" like it's primarily or even possibly, mostly conduction. At the same time, it doesn't quite taste like a convection device, nor is the vapour profile identical in that regard either. I don't know, it's different at the very least.

I had to clean my unit yesterday and decided to re-assemble without the spiral. I reasoned that because I use mostly though water the added benefit would be minimal, but I was wrong. Even through my bubbler, I was finding the same type of hits were causing me some chest discomfort. I don't know if it was temperature, volume, vapour conditioning or a combination, but after re-inserting the spiral I'm finding it to be much more comfortable.
The number John threw out seemed arbitrary. It would be difficult to measure this outside of lab conditions but I suspect conduction plays a larger role than credited, and as you mentioned, may be a larger component in cloud density.

It’s really interesting to read your comments about the stinger. When my unit arrived I’d like to blind test this.

What are you using to hold your anvil during heating? Looks super useful.
 

Ralph

Well-Known Member
I got the Blazer Firefox in. It’s working, but it seems impossible to have a smaller flame with this thing. Is this really not too much power for the Anvil? Here is what my flame looks like on a similar setting as @seki showed in his photo a few pages back. Mine seems to be much larger but it’s hard to tell. The inner flame is definitely well over 1” long here. There’s not much room on the dial to turn this down further without turning it off entirely. Thoughts? I don’t have my Anvil yet so I can’t test it out.

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Did you burp or purge the lighter to remove any air? This will help to turn down the torch to the desired flame without sputtering.
 

Crust

Active Member
I'm still not even sure what the hell I'm on either. The one that sends a verification to your email I still can't get that one to go all the way through. Right now I have my fingers crossed and that's about it. I too really wish I knew.


I have a Blazer Big Buddy and I couldn't even imagine using that with my Vapman, the flame is literally like a 100 times fatter than a little single flame.
Haha! The big buddy is a firehose compared to the smaller units.
 
Did you burp or purge the lighter to remove any air? This will help to turn down the torch to the desired flame without sputtering.

Yeah, I did. It’s not sputtering at all. After playing with it more, I was able to get the flame smaller, but I have to turn it down super close to off and be careful not to turn the dial too far. Seems like you have to start with a larger flame and carefully dial down after getting it to ignite. Is this consistent with what others are seeing?
 

Grass Yes

Well-Known Member
Yeah, I did. It’s not sputtering at all. After playing with it more, I was able to get the flame smaller, but I have to turn it down super close to off and be careful not to turn the dial too far. Seems like you have to start with a larger flame and carefully dial down after getting it to ignite. Is this consistent with what others are seeing?

This is exactly how mine is. I feel like there was a little break-in period too. No sputtering, but it just was unreliable at first. Maybe it trained me, or maybe it just needed a break-in. It's totally normal now though. I do have to turn it up to ignite still.
 

Ralph

Well-Known Member
Yeah, I did. It’s not sputtering at all. After playing with it more, I was able to get the flame smaller, but I have to turn it down super close to off and be careful not to turn the dial too far. Seems like you have to start with a larger flame and carefully dial down after getting it to ignite. Is this consistent with what others are seeing?
Yes, start with a larger flame then dial down. There's a video a few posts back that shows the heat of a torch with flame distance. I believe its post 2750. This may help you!

This is exactly how mine is. I feel like there was a little break-in period too. No sputtering, but it just was unreliable at first. Maybe it trained me, or maybe it just needed a break-in. It's totally normal now though. I do have to turn it up to ignite still.

Totally agree. Mine improved after a few uses!!!!!!
 

Crust

Active Member
Passing along a tip about filling lighters I learned from an old Cajun pipesmoker.

Throw your lighter in the freezer while setting your butane canister in a bowl of hot water for about 10 minutes. Purge your lighter and refill with hot butane.

Hasn’t failed me yet.
 

seki

Well-Known Member
I got the Blazer Firefox in. It’s working, but it seems impossible to have a smaller flame with this thing. Is this really not too much power for the Anvil? Here is what my flame looks like on a similar setting as @seki showed in his photo a few pages back. Mine seems to be much larger but it’s hard to tell. The inner flame is definitely well over 1” long here. There’s not much room on the dial to turn this down further without turning it off entirely. Thoughts? I don’t have my Anvil yet so I can’t test it out.

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This has been pretty much my experience too. I find I can't set it to one setting and leave it there for a consistent flame size. It's fine for the majority of the tank, but as fuel starts to run low, I find you have to adjust the flame to a higher setting to maintain the same flame size. As you mention, in order to get the really small flame size some very slight adjustments are required at the lower end. It's annoying, but easy enough that I can do it consistently without any issue after some practice with it.

The end of the tank adjustment issue is a pretty minor quibble, but the consistent adjustment each ignition is a bit of a pain. I've got over 150 cycles under my belt now, so it more or less has become second nature, but I would prefer not having to do it at all:
It was a little awkward trying to film it, but in reality the process takes me a second or two to set the flame size. I'll occasionally go too low and have to re-ignite, but that isn't too often so I don't see it as a big issue.
The number John threw out seemed arbitrary. It would be difficult to measure this outside of lab conditions but I suspect conduction plays a larger role than credited, and as you mentioned, may be a larger component in cloud density.

It’s really interesting to read your comments about the stinger. When my unit arrived I’d like to blind test this.

What are you using to hold your anvil during heating? Looks super useful.
The stand is this exact one:

That is sitting on top of 4x4 adhesive cork boards that I've quartered and stuck together to make a stand of the appropriate size. Something similar to these:

I go back and forth on conduction vs convection. I have some further tests I'd like to perform as outlined by John earlier in the thread that'll hopefully help shed some more light on it. I'll get around to it eventually unless someone else does first.

The effect from removing the spiral was unexpected. I'm going to repeat the test again at my next cleaning cycle which should come up in a few more days, but I'm thinking unless you have iron lungs, it's going to be required for any sort of native use.
 
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cx714

Space Invader
I suspect conduction plays a larger role than credited, and as you mentioned, may be a larger component in cloud density.
The flavor certainly isn’t as clean or delicate as a full convection vape. That said, I’ve had some enormous, flavorful rips only to find the bowl is mostly green with maybe a hint of yellowing, which def isn’t something you see with conduction.

I assume that John’s figures are more guesstimate than science but it’s clearly hybrid, mainly convection with a greater bias toward conduction the lower you heat on the battery. How it creates huge volumes of vapor from such tiny volumes of material I’ll leave to the cloud chasers.
 
@seki Thanks for that, makes sense now. Yeah, I think it’ll just take some practice to get used to operating this torch. I’m used to the single flame Honest that I’ve been using with Vapcaps, Bricks and Vapman.
 

bossman

Gentleman Of Leisure
Yeah, I did. It’s not sputtering at all. After playing with it more, I was able to get the flame smaller, but I have to turn it down super close to off and be careful not to turn the dial too far. Seems like you have to start with a larger flame and carefully dial down after getting it to ignite. Is this consistent with what others are seeing?
A big, pointy single flame is great and in my experience not a combustion risk like it might be with a vapcap. It's the small single flames that we want to avoid. I don't think yours looks too big.

You can probably point that right at the battery for RTL hits (stop at the first click to be safe) or slightly north on the oven to go a bit lighter and return some flavor to the mix. I need to start making myself point closer to the middle oven and just cache my abv lighter.
 

Whiff

Anvil Brand Ambassador
Company Rep
A big, pointy single flame is great and in my experience not a combustion risk like it might be with a vapcap. It's the small single flames that we want to avoid. I don't think yours looks too big.

You can probably point that right at the battery for RTL hits (stop at the first click to be safe) or slightly north on the oven to go a bit lighter and return some flavor to the mix. I need to start making myself point closer to the middle oven and just cache my abv lighter.
Try a 20 sec center oven heat up, great vapour production with amazing flavour....you can either cache it after or you can let it cool down as is or remove the chamber to allow the cooldown click to happen faster ( 10 sec or so) then install and heat again to finish it off
 

stonedmallone

Well-Known Member
The effect from removing the spiral was unexpected. I'm going to repeat the test again at my next cleaning cycle which should come up in a few more days, but I'm thinking unless you have iron lungs, it's going to be required for any sort of native use.
Consider me the Iron Lung then because that's the only way I've been hitting it! I either lost the spiral when I first opened it or it was never in there I'm not sure, but either way I haven't had it and honestly the vapor doesn't bother me at all natively
 

BeeSawd

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Consider me the Iron Lung then because that's the only way I've been hitting it! I either lost the spiral when I first opened it or it was never in there I'm not sure, but either way I haven't had it and honestly the vapor doesn't bother me at all natively
Honestly haven't noticed a ton of difference with or without, usually take mine out now though just so there's one less thing to clean.
 
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