Advanced E-cig users and oil/wax, how-to "one-hitter-quitter"
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pigfoot
Dabs are vapor too!
this is a tad late, but better late than never eh? FC brethren mephisto sent an Oreico Storm-A RDA and some FC-2000 rigid porous ceramic wick asking me to see what i could come up with. well this is my first build on it and i gotta say that.... FC-2000 tastes VERY good! also, i used the well that the Storm-A provides so that any oil fall off will collect in it. simply turning it upside down for a sec with heat should take care of that. so yeah the taste... it def competes in flavor with the readyXwick and is also self cleanable like the RXW. the advantage of FC-2000 over RXW is that it will not fray or shed fibers so you can forget any worry about that you may have with RXW. the negative is that it is rigid and solid so the wire must be wrapped on the outside of it and it cannot be wound in the stovetop/diamondback fashion. i already have a new build in mind with the use of two short pieces of FC-2000 side by side as to provide the real estate needed for easy dab loading. pics of that build within the next couple of days... until then here are pics of my first attempt. if my new FC-2000 build works like i envision it then it will def compete with the likes of the diamondback coil.
sorta close up
clocking in at 2.85ohms. i am shooting for 1.75-2ohms on the next build.
and loaded waiting to be heated and absorbed into wick.
again i would like to say how good oil tastes coming off of this wick. this stuff is legit.
Nice work! Do you wrap a coil first, then insert the FC2000? What gauge wire is that? At that impedance, are you running to on a mod?
2clicker
Observer
no it will short. i had to really make sure the wire wasnt touching. i wont be using the wells in the deck moving forward. so a non issue really.
i tried that originally, but the screw i used was just slightly to small so i had to recoil. so really i just wrapped the wire directly onto the wick. thats why it looks a tad loose. certainly having the correct size screw to something would help keep those coils consistent. the wire is 28g. and yes i am running it on a mech mod in 18350 mode. it does take a few secs longer to get really going, but the hits are soooo tastey.
how porus is it... could you wrap the coil over the top but through the side of the wick? that way the bottom of e wick would be touching the deck but not the coil? if even feasible.
215z
Well-Known Member
No it is not THAT porous and he will shatter the wick trying to drill lateral holes for the wire to go through. Everyone has to wrap their coil around their FC-2000 its the price to pay for entry. You can't use a 1/8 or 7/64 mandrel and then slide the wick in. One tricky issue with this wick is it does not expand when heated, most wick media so when wet. So the hot coils will expand and leave a gap between it and the wick. So wrap your coils tight, or line your fc2k with hemp thread (which will expand when hot n wet filling the gap).
I wish someone made an RDA with a deck shaped like that, but with a ceramic floor.
I wish someone made an RDA with a deck shaped like that, but with a ceramic floor.
kazz
Little Lebowski Urban Achiever
Any tricks you can share on doing this? I messed around a bit with this stuff when it first came out for ecigs. (Have several pieces in a drawer somewhere) But could never get a tight wrap on it and finally gave up.
CashMoney
New Member
2clicker
Observer
he said it. although i cant help imagine what a hollow version of the stuff could do. maybe its worth looking into shaping fish stone for wick...?
regarding how tight to wrap on FC-2000... i just did 5 or 6 experimental coils all wrapped by hand directly onto the wick. it seems pretty damn easy to work with and it doesnt need to be super tight to perform. in fact a little gap may be ideal for use with solids...?
the shit tastes fantastic.
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kazz
Little Lebowski Urban Achiever
Hmm. Never seen it done that way. We heated the wire to take the spring out, then wrapped by hand. Thanks for the video. May try to dig the stuff out and try again.
What gauge wire are you using? I used 32ga at the time and if it wasn't touching, I'd get hot spots. I have 28 ga now, wonder if that would be easier to work with?
You don't get hot spots where the wire isn't touching the stone?
2clicker
Observer
it was 32g wire. and i did not notice any hot spots. seemed to heat from the center out like it should.
CashMoney
New Member
Are people using VV ala kick2 or box mod? I wish the kick 2 didn't make my mod so long, I really like how it can limit high end temps.
I'm kinda curious what consistency the product people are working with as well. I get some top notch really flavorful shatter, wax, and sometimes something gooey in between. It seems to me that the oil is really prone to burning, and the first hit is the only one that exhibits any terpene profile (citrus, bright flower tastes). CO2 oil you tends to keep it's flavor for 2 hit's and a muted third, but thats about it.
I thought the diamondback ate oil like and old ass truck and had a pretty dry hit that lacked pronounced flavor, tried 28g-24g kanthal and 2mm & 3mm readyxwick and didn't get much difference between them.
Got the larger gauge fc2k and it still doesn't seem to hold much oil, there's always reclaim underneath. Flavor clean but not heavily pronounced. I have the tools and skill for a perfect hot wrap as well, tried a little loose too (didn't do hemp fiber, kinda thought it would ignite honestly)
Tried cutting down the aquarium stone into a little ceramic nail with a bar in the middle I wrapped the coil around. Took a few hours for that one
.... and it sucked with every gauge I tried it with. (.8mm ribbon included). Had kind of a weird taste to it. I tried butane torching it until it was red, then map gas torching it until almost white. I REALLY wanted it to work. I primed it with some fat globs of goo too.
I want to preface my favorite build still with one comment though, "flavor is highly subjective, everyone tastes different and that's OK and to be expected, that's why some people love flavors that others hate."
28g kanthal wrapped straight onto 3mm readyxwick. I have thrown away more of this wick than I like to think about because I'm paranoid of ceramic fiber dust and frays. Handled carefully it's not an issue I find even with my paranoia. Cut the wick a bit long before you wrap and trim the edges clean over a trash can after you wrap the coil. There's a zone around the coil that you can dry burn to white to clean it, if you let the ends go out a little further than that they get a nice oil crust that prevents any fraying. and keep it through cleanings. I give the coil itself a little bit of an arc with the 28g wire, the arch has more rigidity to scrape the wax off onto. It is basically a travel nail, you can do around 4 or 5 big blobs before it needs a clean fire. Taste of that first hit is so perfect though. I don't use my infrared heat probe for my Ti nail as much as I should but when I do it tastes like that first hit.
Really curious if anyone other than the OP has tried SS cable with success? Seems like it would be harsh, but his comments on heat ballast made me wonder.
Sorry for the long post, been lurking for a minute and built up a little interest on my $.02
I'm kinda curious what consistency the product people are working with as well. I get some top notch really flavorful shatter, wax, and sometimes something gooey in between. It seems to me that the oil is really prone to burning, and the first hit is the only one that exhibits any terpene profile (citrus, bright flower tastes). CO2 oil you tends to keep it's flavor for 2 hit's and a muted third, but thats about it.
I thought the diamondback ate oil like and old ass truck and had a pretty dry hit that lacked pronounced flavor, tried 28g-24g kanthal and 2mm & 3mm readyxwick and didn't get much difference between them.
Got the larger gauge fc2k and it still doesn't seem to hold much oil, there's always reclaim underneath. Flavor clean but not heavily pronounced. I have the tools and skill for a perfect hot wrap as well, tried a little loose too (didn't do hemp fiber, kinda thought it would ignite honestly)
Tried cutting down the aquarium stone into a little ceramic nail with a bar in the middle I wrapped the coil around. Took a few hours for that one
.... and it sucked with every gauge I tried it with. (.8mm ribbon included). Had kind of a weird taste to it. I tried butane torching it until it was red, then map gas torching it until almost white. I REALLY wanted it to work. I primed it with some fat globs of goo too.I want to preface my favorite build still with one comment though, "flavor is highly subjective, everyone tastes different and that's OK and to be expected, that's why some people love flavors that others hate."
28g kanthal wrapped straight onto 3mm readyxwick. I have thrown away more of this wick than I like to think about because I'm paranoid of ceramic fiber dust and frays. Handled carefully it's not an issue I find even with my paranoia. Cut the wick a bit long before you wrap and trim the edges clean over a trash can after you wrap the coil. There's a zone around the coil that you can dry burn to white to clean it, if you let the ends go out a little further than that they get a nice oil crust that prevents any fraying. and keep it through cleanings. I give the coil itself a little bit of an arc with the 28g wire, the arch has more rigidity to scrape the wax off onto. It is basically a travel nail, you can do around 4 or 5 big blobs before it needs a clean fire. Taste of that first hit is so perfect though. I don't use my infrared heat probe for my Ti nail as much as I should but when I do it tastes like that first hit.
Really curious if anyone other than the OP has tried SS cable with success? Seems like it would be harsh, but his comments on heat ballast made me wonder.
Sorry for the long post, been lurking for a minute and built up a little interest on my $.02
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Quetzalcoatl
DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
I don't know about SS cable but I experimented with SS mesh for wicking and did not like it. I feel like it got hot and messed with the taste of juice and concentrates.Are people using VV ala kick2 or box mod? I wish the kick 2 didn't make my mod so long, I really like how it can limit high end temps.
I'm kinda curious what consistency the product people are working with as well. I get some top notch really flavorful shatter, wax, and sometimes something gooey in between. It seems to me that the oil is really prone to burning, and the first hit is the only one that exhibits any terpene profile (citrus, bright flower tastes). CO2 oil you tends to keep it's flavor for 2 hit's and a muted third, but thats about it.
I thought the diamondback ate oil like and old ass truck and had a pretty dry hit that lacked pronounced flavor, tried 28g-24g kanthal and 2mm & 3mm readyxwick and didn't get much difference between them.
Got the larger gauge fc2k and it still doesn't seem to hold much oil, there's always reclaim underneath. Flavor clean but not heavily pronounced. I have the tools and skill for a perfect hot wrap as well, tried a little loose too (didn't do hemp fiber, kinda thought it would ignite honestly)
Tried cutting down the aquarium stone into a little ceramic nail with a bar in the middle I wrapped the coil around. Took a few hours for that one
I want to preface my favorite build still with one comment though, "flavor is highly subjective, everyone tastes different and that's OK and to be expected, that's why some people love flavors that others hate."
28g kanthal wrapped straight onto 3mm readyxwick. I have thrown away more of this wick than I like to think about because I'm paranoid of ceramic fiber dust and frays. Handled carefully it's not an issue I find even with my paranoia. Cut the wick a bit long before you wrap and trim the edges clean over a trash can after you wrap the coil. There's a zone around the coil that you can dry burn to white to clean it, if you let the ends go out a little further than that they get a nice oil crust that prevents any fraying. and keep it through cleanings. I give the coil itself a little bit of an arc with the 28g wire, the arch has more surface tension to scrape the wax off onto. It is basically a travel nail, you can do around 4 or 5 big blobs before it needs a clean fire. Taste of that first hit is so perfect though. I don't use my infrared heat probe for my Ti nail as much as I should but when I do it tastes like that first hit.
Really curious if anyone other than the OP has tried SS cable with success? Seems like it would be harsh, but his comments on heat ballast made me wonder.
Sorry for the long post, been lurking for a minute and built up a little interest on my $.02
2clicker
Observer
yeah with the DBC you have to go with a higher resistance than you may normally like. otherwise you got a hot vape that can really eat through your stash.
2clicker
Observer
a quick note about readyXwick... RBAsupplies says that it can start breaking down after about 150 days of use. silica and ekowool can break down in hours/days. RXW is the safest wick option available other than the FC-2000. anyway i would say that coils using RXW should last about 3 months of use and then be replaced. not saying it wont last longer just saying if you want to ensure you are not inhaling any wick then replace before 150 days. and that is 150 days of nic vaping so since we use the coils far less than a nic vapor does, then it should last longer. i think the 3 month time frame is a good place to start.
ive got a new coil to show off as well as soon as i build it and take pics.
ive got a new coil to show off as well as soon as i build it and take pics.
Haywood
Onward Thru the Fog
fwiw, after more than four months of continuous use, my first Joye atty finally gave up the ghost (the coil is open). If you're curious about using a Joye atty "one-hitter-quitter" for your non-liquid concentrates, there was a good discussion with pictures last April in this thread. These links take you back there, if you're interested...
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There's a lot more back and forth about the Joye atty in question, if you're really interested. This search link will grab all my messages in this thread where I mention the Joye atty.
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There's a lot more back and forth about the Joye atty in question, if you're really interested. This search link will grab all my messages in this thread where I mention the Joye atty.
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2clicker
Observer
is that a silica wick?
Haywood
Onward Thru the Fog
Yup, a plain old ordinary silica wick. I forgot to mention that in at least the last four months of use, I never cleaned it once. In the beginning, I used to clean it every couple of weeks (boiled, then ethanol soak) just, uhh, because. Turned out to not make any difference at all, even as far as the taste, so I stopped doing it. I did deliberately dry burn it a couple of times though, when the wick/coil was contaminated due to poor quality concentrate.
2clicker
Observer
not saying its a big risk, but silica can break down very fast. like within hours to days. then you will be inhaling it. due to the size of the fibers they are a health risk.
just throwing that out there.
2clicker
Observer
well w/out proper testing and stuff there is no way to tell.
just a possibility so i thought it should be brought up. for the record the aerotank im using right now still has silica wick in it... and ive been using it for weeks.
CashMoney
New Member
I find this is how I like the kick set. Gives optimal flavor and potency, makes sure I never burn my oil, and my builds can vary a little bit without it totally changing the experience. Never gives a dry burnt hit either, it just runs out when the oil is spent. I have been using it more than my nail lately, flavor is consistent, and smooth as hell. Every once in a while I still want to feel like I have a fat man sitting on my chest though.
Found a company that can fabricate grade 2 or 3 (your choice) titanium 7x7 strand cable 3.25mm. They will even anodize the individual strands so they are electrically insulated. AND YOU ONLY HAVE BUY 200m AT A TIME (giggles). They wouldn't send me a "sample for analysis" either. Seems like it could be epic in my mind, I know the $3700 price tag is. If anyone wants to start a business I would forward you all the info, just give me 6" of Ti cable to play with.
Found a company that can fabricate grade 2 or 3 (your choice) titanium 7x7 strand cable 3.25mm. They will even anodize the individual strands so they are electrically insulated. AND YOU ONLY HAVE BUY 200m AT A TIME (giggles). They wouldn't send me a "sample for analysis" either. Seems like it could be epic in my mind, I know the $3700 price tag is. If anyone wants to start a business I would forward you all the info, just give me 6" of Ti cable to play with.
2clicker
Observer
I find this is how I like the kick set. Gives optimal flavor and potency, makes sure I never burn my oil, and my builds can vary a little bit without it totally changing the experience. Never gives a dry burnt hit either, it just runs out when the oil is spent. I have been using it more than my nail lately, flavor is consistent, and smooth as hell. Every once in a while I still want to feel like I have a fat man sitting on my chest though.
Found a company that can fabricate grade 2 or 3 (your choice) titanium 7x7 strand cable 3.25mm. They will even anodize the individual strands so they are electrically insulated. AND YOU ONLY HAVE BUY 200m AT A TIME (giggles). They wouldn't send me a "sample for analysis" either. Seems like it could be epic in my mind, I know the $3700 price tag is. If anyone wants to start a business I would forward you all the info, just give me 6" of Ti cable to play with.
interesting about the kick.
regarding the ti cable... i imagine it would still taste like metal no...?