2clicker
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i think he means using it as wick... not the wire.
people use SS braided cable as wicks, but im sure it tastes like butt.
Advanced E-cig users and oil/wax, how-to "one-hitter-quitter"
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i think he means using it as wick... not the wire.
people use SS braided cable as wicks, but im sure it tastes like butt.
2clicker
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2clicker
Observer
that was the problem. running 28 now, but still having fraying issues. also found that i will definitely need to drill out the airholes on the stock igo-w
looks good. regarding fraying.... the more you build these the less fraying you will get, but it will always fray a bit. you can wrap thin wire around the ends to keep the threads compact.
i just dont worry about it, but mine dont fray as much anymore.
once my thread is up i will post a video on the DBC build.
CashMoney
New Member
The more you make your coils the less you have to handle them. The more you handle readyxwick the more it frays. Practice so you get it right it one try the first time is the only true answer.
If you have a metal dabber heat it up and drip some oil straight onto the end. It gums it up a bit and helps.
If you have a metal dabber heat it up and drip some oil straight onto the end. It gums it up a bit and helps.
2clicker
Observer
absolutely!
love the tip about errling up the ends. ill have to try that.
i have a new coil to show, but im still perfecting it so i cant share quite yet. will be working on it tonight.
gvape
Well-Known Member
Cant wait to see the new coil 2clicker. I have all my supplies but still waiting for my RDAs from FT. I got readyxwick, fc2000, and all the other goodies I will need.
In the meantime, I took one of my RDAs for E-Juice and wrapped some 28 gauge around the readyxwick about 9 times. Came out to 1.2ohm. However the taste is not that good. The first hit taste great, the second is pretty bad, and if I can get a third it taste horribly burnt. I clean the readyxwick off but letting everything burn off until its white again and I repeat the same thing. First hit tastes great second two are horrible. Works much better than cotton or silica though.
I would try to build a DBC but it wont fit in this mini rda. Hopefully within the week I can jump on the bandwagon. Just got some ekowool today I might test build some DBC so I dont waist any readyxwick.
The tip with a little oil on the ends is great. Just make sure you clip the readyxwick with nail clippers. It really does make a super clean cut!!!
2clicker
Observer
wow i am very surprised to hear about the flavor issues. i have never experienced that with RXW. not sure how to approach that with nic fluid. sounds to me like the liquid you are using is changing from the heat of the first pull. then tastes gross. its certainly not the wick.
and yes nail clippers make cutting RXW a breeze.
DabComa
Stuck in Dab Coma
I think it has to do with the way your hitting your device by your description rather then the wicking material, try lighter shorter pulses, if you overheat the coil on the first hit, you'll get a good hit, but everything will run away from the wick rather then absorbing in, resulting in a bad second hit. If you don't want to pulse it, roll a higher resistance, so it'll heat slowerm...
2clicker
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CashMoney
New Member
I bet your batteries are running around 3.7v. Try to get around 1.8 ohm and you may be happier. There's a chart earlier in the thread. "Vapingchart 2.0" get in the green for happy times.
Or be a dummy like me and use variable wattage to cheat your way to vaping victory.
When you start to get your power dialed in I have noticed, at least with the arc coil I have been running, that airflow placement changes the vape a decent amount. Putting an airhole right on the coil and drawing really hard cause the wire to put off more vapor and lose more heat in the process.
Probably won't completely get you there until around 1.65 ohm with big ass air slots like a halo cap on 3.7v though.
Or be a dummy like me and use variable wattage to cheat your way to vaping victory.
When you start to get your power dialed in I have noticed, at least with the arc coil I have been running, that airflow placement changes the vape a decent amount. Putting an airhole right on the coil and drawing really hard cause the wire to put off more vapor and lose more heat in the process.
Probably won't completely get you there until around 1.65 ohm with big ass air slots like a halo cap on 3.7v though.
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gvape
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No I didn't use any nice fluid on the rxw only oil.
Doug
Just passing time
I had an odd experience with my RXW. When I got it, I immediately wrapped a coil, checked it all out, and wicked some RXW in. I decided to dry burn it right away, and shortly after my coil was glowing, the wick started on fire. I thought it was weird as everything was very clean, etc.. I took out the wick, torched the hell outta it, and it was noticeably whiter after. After I re-wicked my coil, no flames. Anybody else experience something similar? What was on the wick? Why was it so dirty after their apparent 12 hour kiln sesh?
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2clicker
Observer
this is a good question. yes i have experienced it when the wick is new, but only then. i did get flame another time, but i was burning off some nasty residue left from some abv oil.
couldnt tell you why it happens tho
fernand
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@CashMoney, IMHO all these flavor issues sound like overheating to me.
I mean once you've vaporized all the erl off the device, you often DO have some sludge left over, and that never tastes good until you dry-burn it or otherwise clean it.
But until then, you should get several tasty hits by keeping the temp down. Pulsing is another way to average out to less heat, but maybe try making higher resistance coils? Air flow also controls temp, but it all starts with coil resistance and voltage. Simmer, that's the winner. Learn not to burn ;-)
I mean once you've vaporized all the erl off the device, you often DO have some sludge left over, and that never tastes good until you dry-burn it or otherwise clean it.
But until then, you should get several tasty hits by keeping the temp down. Pulsing is another way to average out to less heat, but maybe try making higher resistance coils? Air flow also controls temp, but it all starts with coil resistance and voltage. Simmer, that's the winner. Learn not to burn ;-)
Maybe you should try it before you knock it.
2clicker
Observer
true indeed. i base my assumption on how bad SS mesh tastes as a wick. i find it to be very bad. i suppose the different construction of the two (mesh vs braided wire) could have an impact on flavor, but the materials are the same. if i had some i would def give it a shot, but i dont think i will be buying any.
btw... after re-reading i now see how the "tastes like butt" comment came out kinda rude. was not intended that way.
CashMoney
New Member
@fernand I used a variable wattage "kick 2" module so I could change the final output of any coil I put into it. I varied the temp from "doesn't burn at all" - "just burns the terpenes" - "silky perfect hit" - "burnt oil." It's kinda necessary for what i'm doing with it unless I could find a great atty with a ceramic deck. I scrape little logs of hash onto the top of the coil. Anything less than 28g is kinda flimsy and doesn't push back against my keychain dabber to "catch hold" of the hash.
I have a garage tech co2 extraction machine and studied boiling points of different components of hash oil. I don't have a degree and am not a scientist, but as I understand it, a very high percentage of the flavor you experience comes from another oil family in plant called terpenes, Different solvent extractions gather a different array of these, and different purging techniques used to get final product leave a yet more reduced set from what you begin with. Hash is like wine, it takes not only the farmers skill but the extraction artist as well.
All those lovely flavor molecules have a much more fragile than THC and break down rapidly with contact of light, heat, cold, humidity, aridity, and good old father time. ANY heat applied to the hash rapidly releases all this at once (less than 4 sec of heat) especially with straight BHO/shatter/crumble. Co2 extracted oil has a larger and more stable terpene profile so you get some flavors off a second hit if you can't just beast it down in the first shot (15 sec steady draw for my average dab, not that bad). RSO, propane, and hexane oil all have almost no terpenes. Those processes decarboxylate the oil to a greater degree though so you get greater potency as a trade off. At the setting I showed in an earlier pic I don't get any burnt flavor, feeling, or excess combustion posing as HUGE VAPOR CLOUDS.
My problem is I work in nice restaurants where all you do is break taste down to a science. It has made me very aware of the breakdown. The hash I get is always strain and grow dependent for flavor, but can taste like menthol blue raspberry on the first hit (hogsbreath/blue dream mix run for that one) and I just don't enjoy any other hit nearly as much. For some flavor is not as distinct and it matters less. I wish it were the case for me.
Someone please make an atty with a reloadable silicone storage slot, that push button loads a fresh dab on my coil please. It's all I want for christmas. I will settle for the IGO-w5 cap version.
I have a garage tech co2 extraction machine and studied boiling points of different components of hash oil. I don't have a degree and am not a scientist, but as I understand it, a very high percentage of the flavor you experience comes from another oil family in plant called terpenes, Different solvent extractions gather a different array of these, and different purging techniques used to get final product leave a yet more reduced set from what you begin with. Hash is like wine, it takes not only the farmers skill but the extraction artist as well.
All those lovely flavor molecules have a much more fragile than THC and break down rapidly with contact of light, heat, cold, humidity, aridity, and good old father time. ANY heat applied to the hash rapidly releases all this at once (less than 4 sec of heat) especially with straight BHO/shatter/crumble. Co2 extracted oil has a larger and more stable terpene profile so you get some flavors off a second hit if you can't just beast it down in the first shot (15 sec steady draw for my average dab, not that bad). RSO, propane, and hexane oil all have almost no terpenes. Those processes decarboxylate the oil to a greater degree though so you get greater potency as a trade off. At the setting I showed in an earlier pic I don't get any burnt flavor, feeling, or excess combustion posing as HUGE VAPOR CLOUDS.
My problem is I work in nice restaurants where all you do is break taste down to a science. It has made me very aware of the breakdown. The hash I get is always strain and grow dependent for flavor, but can taste like menthol blue raspberry on the first hit (hogsbreath/blue dream mix run for that one) and I just don't enjoy any other hit nearly as much. For some flavor is not as distinct and it matters less. I wish it were the case for me.
Someone please make an atty with a reloadable silicone storage slot, that push button loads a fresh dab on my coil please. It's all I want for christmas. I will settle for the IGO-w5 cap version.
215z
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If you can tolerate the taste of PEG/ejm, check out bottom-feeder ecigs @CashMoney
CashMoney
New Member
I personally find glycol kind of mutes the flavor. I also have a theory about PG and VG both having a lower boiling point than thc, so they vaporize first, carrying away microscopic molecules of not vaporized therefor un-activated THC with them. It's the only way I can quantify the fact that I go through 3 times as much actual hash when mixed.
I feel like it kind of collects in my lungs too.... Maybe my lung capillaries are blocked by the glycol gunk and can't absorb my precious THC? I wish I knew the answer for sure. I can only speculate.
I smoke a lot. Depending on the day I can go through like 20 monster dabs if I have some friends over and they want to taste some stuff. I get hash 30g at a time. When I switched from bong hits to dabs I completely stopped coughing up brown to black shit every day. With my consumption rate glycol has me coughing up fat lung balls of clear glycol mucus by days end.
This personal vape makes me smoke less. Variable wattage makes sure hits have max potency so the coil dabs get your head BLOWN if done right. You will be too stupified to want to hit it again. It's some effort. It takes about 20-30 sec to load after practice, 2-3 times that when first starting. It is worth the effort though to me. I consider it the "buy-in" to play. Not everyone plays massive buy in, but not everyone has a mega tolerance either. The way I have it set up impresses everyone that has hit it. Even my friend with a fancy ass electric nail. Still haven't brought it to my "only volcano" friend yet. He's the final and true test for me. He is even pickier than I am.
I feel like it kind of collects in my lungs too.... Maybe my lung capillaries are blocked by the glycol gunk and can't absorb my precious THC? I wish I knew the answer for sure. I can only speculate.
I smoke a lot. Depending on the day I can go through like 20 monster dabs if I have some friends over and they want to taste some stuff. I get hash 30g at a time. When I switched from bong hits to dabs I completely stopped coughing up brown to black shit every day. With my consumption rate glycol has me coughing up fat lung balls of clear glycol mucus by days end.
This personal vape makes me smoke less. Variable wattage makes sure hits have max potency so the coil dabs get your head BLOWN if done right. You will be too stupified to want to hit it again. It's some effort. It takes about 20-30 sec to load after practice, 2-3 times that when first starting. It is worth the effort though to me. I consider it the "buy-in" to play. Not everyone plays massive buy in, but not everyone has a mega tolerance either. The way I have it set up impresses everyone that has hit it. Even my friend with a fancy ass electric nail. Still haven't brought it to my "only volcano" friend yet. He's the final and true test for me. He is even pickier than I am.
fernand
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@CashMoney FWIW glycerin (VG) is not even in the running cause it's water-soluble only, pure PG separates too, where glycol mixes like EJMix will fully suspend an oil without separating. But yeah i too noticed it somehow reduces potency.
We're on the same page with the terpenes boiling off first. I don't even bother vaping the last stuff to boil off - it's just sleepytime.
Seems like a lot of people ARE burning dabs, but it sounds like you've got the situation in hand.
We're on the same page with the terpenes boiling off first. I don't even bother vaping the last stuff to boil off - it's just sleepytime.
Seems like a lot of people ARE burning dabs, but it sounds like you've got the situation in hand.
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2clicker
Observer
so i am thinking of getting a 26mm rda simply to acquire more real estate inside for larger coil/wick setups. not sure if the gain warrants a purchase, but i cant help but wonder what i could fit in a larger atty.
do you have anything other than ego cells to push that coil?
do you have anything other than ego cells to push that coil?
I normally run it on an Itaste vv, the igo is just what I screwed it onto to take it apart and take the pic. Are you thinking I may not be giving it enough juice to hit like it should? I started wondering if the bigger diameter coil is more of a hindrance than help myself. Any advice is greatly appreciated, as I am not really using this lately. It is easier to load then the dabbler, but delivers nowhere near the hits...