Advanced E-cig users and oil/wax, how-to "one-hitter-quitter"

[blimeydude]

Need to see that video. Link above is to a RiP Trippers review. Please post the share URL.

Would the Mesh give you more room than other 24 mm postless decks? (Liked it specifically for mesh builds.) Is postless best for the build we're envisioning? The Transformer's only 22 mm, but the arrangement above frees space.

As @2clicker points out, keeping the atomizer vertical could be an issue.

So little info on sourcevapes.com. Did you find the diameter of the atomizer the glass piece fits? What do you think the advantage over the SOURCEvapes atomizer would be? A wire coil around might heat the insert more rapidly than a ceramic donut below (if that's what's used). Could be desirable. Need to buy the atomizer anyway, so you'd find out.

Here is the video with the cup coil I was referring to and that the glass or titanium insert nail could be put into:

Yes, the Mesh RDA would give you a ton more room than other post rda's and I believe this extra space is absolutely needed to make this work. I don't think the vertical atomizer will have any issues either.

I emailed Vandy Vape for the diameter of the mesh RDA and will update on if we can marry the sourcevapes bubbler with the rda from Vandy Vape. If we could that would be clutch.

For me, the advantage over the usual Source Vape setup is the cost. I could just use regular 316 wire instead of buying their proprietary atomizer. You're not locked in to buying from them. Also, yes, wrapping the coil around will dramatically heatup the insert quicker.

I saw someone post somewhere about buying those vaporsource inserts (or something similar), but I can't for the love of me figure out where that was.

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

Cool video, thanks! Believe there's a post early in this thread with a bucket build that looks similar. Have to try it.

 

[Willeh]

I switched the the Rafale X for build deck size, since i found one for 10$. Waaay better than evil monk, but it did not fit my Pico so I needed to get a new battery too.

A quick update on what I think is the best coil. It is the simplest to make, I made it and installed it in less than 5 minutes with a coil jig. What you people want to be making is a 4mm, 12-20 wrap, contact-coil made with 20 gauge SS316L wire. It has no nooks or crannies like a complex twisted wire build would, but has the same or more surface area and mass because the thick wire. Nothing leaks, drips, or spits, and you can finish globs in one breath. Clocks in at .43Ω with 16 wraps so it could be smaller or bigger depending on battery life and how big of a hit you need.

As long as you have wound it really tight, the oil just sits inside the cylinder when it vapes. I feel like this heats the oil more evenly than claptons or twisted wires do, and self cleans more fully with a dry burn. There is a lot less space for gunk to get caught up in the coil, and a glow then dip in water gets it looking almost like new. The Rafale X is perfect for this build because the airflow comes from the openings of the coil. This pushes the oil up and to the middle of the coil as you draw. Just put ur blobs inside the coil and are set. This 16 wrap can easily vape 80mg in one hit with no leak. You could fit up to a 20 wrap in the rafale x easily to vape over a .1 of oil in one dab. This is a killer set up at 30-40 watts.

Note how clean the deck below is, this is after running probably a half gram through it since the last cleaning. Because the oil vaporizes inside a long cylinder there is virtually no splatter on any of the mouthpiece or deck. All in the lungs!

also a properly loaded coil up close

high quality SS316l 20 guage wire I used: https://www.kidneypuncher.com/ss316l-wire-30ft-spool/

coil jig from china to make making the coil super ez: https://www.fasttech.com/products/3...master-v3-6-in-1-e-cigarette-wire-coil-winder

Rafale X RDA for from china, occasionally sells cheaper from domestic vendors though: https://www.fasttech.com/product/4648401-authentic-uwell-rafale-x-rda-rebuildable-dripping

V-Two mini battery, as the Pico didn't fit the Rafale X
https://www.fasttech.com/product/4871204-authentic-joyetech-evic-vtwo-mini-75w-tc-vw-apv

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

A fine reason to try the Transformer in post-less mode!

Loaded a few shatter shards, fired it up - and there's no trace of them! Little vapor, but an impressive hit. (There's clearly a trace of something, but this is the before shot. )

 

[Willeh]

That's what I'm saying accept! The low gauge high diameter contact coils really work magic!

The 20 wrap, 20-gauge 316L Behemoth coil, for a real "one hitter-quitter". Once I got this nicely pinched with ceramic tweezers i'll be having one crazy dab!

 

[Likes2vape]

What do you guys think is the best temp control mode out right now? Or do they all work good now? I have an IPv4 and it sucks for tc mode. I hate the taste of metal from wattage mode and stopped using my mod for dabs. I noticed @2clicker said he doesn't get the metal taste anymore how about anyone else using tc? I have a bunch of ti wire I bought to use in tc mode is ti still good or ss better? Let's hear it!!!

 

[Willeh]

I only use wattage mode, and use a dialed in setting. I also adjust my draw speed and how long I hold the button for a little more manual temperature control. I find if you set it to a wattage that just barely glows after 10-15 seconds, it will vape your entire dab very nicely with a medium draw speed in just 5 seconds or so. I've only used ss316L sandvik wire and have never tasted any metal. Maybe it's my palette but if I hit it with no oil in it even glowing hot I taste nothing. Steel shouldn't be melting or off gassing unless its glowing white hot. I wouldn't recommend titanium wire due to TiO2 concerns and dry-burning between hits is too convenient. A 580*f quartz banger will taste better than an ecig in wattage, but there's still good flavor and big efficient rips on the go to be had.

In my experience, TC mode is a lot of mucking around for a less dense hit that doesn't necessarily taste better and leaves more residue in the coil. Because of ramp time on a low gauge wire, it usually vapes the oil before it gets 'too hot' and would burn it anyway.

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

What do you guys think is the best temp control mode out right now? Or do they all work good now? I have an IPv4 and it sucks for tc mode. I hate the taste of metal from wattage mode and stopped using my mod for dabs. I noticed @2clicker said he doesn't get the metal taste anymore how about anyone else using tc? I have a bunch of ti wire I bought to use in tc mode is ti still good or ss better? Let's hear it!!!

An excuse to show off the pretty new mod!

CSMNT atop Athena' DNA75 26650 offering. Compact and luxurious. Upgraded from SX-Mini due to dry-coil bug (or feature). No complaints. @Willeh's build was a quick blast, but @2clicker's build worked well in TC. Get that metal taste all the time with the same Kidney Puncher wire, so mainly dab off a SiC nail.

 

[Willeh]

I think the thermal conductivity, porousness, and temperature of material affect flavor more than anything actually coming out of the metal for what its worth. E-nail heater coils are made stainless steel. And most people that are using SiC and Sapphire inserts are doing it on some sort of titanium tube getting heated by a stainless steel coil. The tube and coil are just as hot as our wire in this. I don't doubt that heating the metal too hot could produce flavors, and some people have super refined palettes and don't even cut their food with steel knives. But are all your beloved Sic and sapphire nails not being heated by a piece of steel at least as hot as the steel wires in our vapes? I would dab on a quartz or sapphire nail for absolute flavor, as I feel these surfaces do allow you to transfer a lower heat to the oil more efficiently. However I find the convenience of not needing to qtip, no timing or heat up, and no condensation loss to water all very big advantages over a enail.

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

And most people that are using SiC and Sapphire inserts are doing it on some sort of titanium tube getting heated by a stainless steel coil. The tube and coil are just as hot as our wire in this.

That titanium tube gunks up too. Surprised no fancy heat-sinks. Still, don't get that metal taste with SiC or quartz nails, for whatever reason. This is especially flavorless concentrate, so it may be more noticeable. Might just need tweaking.

Haven't tried sapphire. SiC isn't nearly as expensive and it's practically unbreakable.

 

[Likes2vape]

I think the thermal conductivity, porousness, and temperature of material affect flavor more than anything actually coming out of the metal for what its worth. E-nail heater coils are made stainless steel. And most people that are using SiC and Sapphire inserts are doing it on some sort of titanium tube getting heated by a stainless steel coil. The tube and coil are just as hot as our wire in this. I don't doubt that heating the metal too hot could produce flavors, and some people have super refined palettes and don't even cut their food with steel knives. But are all your beloved Sic and sapphire nails not being heated by a piece of steel at least as hot as the steel wires in our vapes? I would dab on a quartz or sapphire nail for absolute flavor, as I feel these surfaces do allow you to transfer a lower heat to the oil more efficiently. However I find the convenience of not needing to qtip, no timing or heat up, and no condensation loss to water all very big advantages over a enail.

I definitely can taste metal off a vw mod coil. They get super hot super fast. Some of the best hitting dabs have come from my mod but I can't deal with a shitty metallic taste in my mouth afterwards and obviously I'm not the only one.

An excuse to show off the pretty new mod!

CSMNT atop Athena' DNA75 26650 offering. Compact and luxurious. Upgraded from SX-Mini due to dry-coil bug (or feature). No complaints. @Willeh's build was a quick blast, but @2clicker's build worked well in TC. Get that metal taste all the time with the same Kidney Puncher wire, so mainly dab off a SiC nail.

Do you still get the metal taste in tc mode?

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

Do you still get the metal taste in tc mode?

Haven't done enough tests, but it probably doesn't matter much. The flavor's not bad at all. When the mod and the rig are next to each other, usually reach for the rig.

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

NOT ONE, BUT TWO EXCITING NEW BUILDS!!

No. 1: the banger build beta - just a big vertical coil around a quartz cup - in the Transformer RDA.

Working, with issues.

Air-holes are too low. Need to find an atomizer with top airflow. This might reduce (or increase, who knows?) splatter in the top.

Concentrate pools in the bottom of the cup. A smaller wrap or two at the base, stove-top style might help.

Maybe ribbon wire...

WDYT, @blimeydude?

No. 2: a hybrid build on the EHPro Fusion kit.

@Filhote's idea (with one difference). This kit controls each coil separately, so two completely different builds are possible. On the left, this one has 100% VG nic juice (wicked from a tank). On the right, shatter on FC2000.

Atop the matching mod. Note the dual displays and controllers. Each 18650 battery is controlled by its own chip. So... vape your favorite nic juice - then add canna! Or... vape your concentrate neat, or add VG for sweetness and clouds. The possibilities are endless.

 

[Filhote]

As the Fusion 2-1 are available... i read this thread again and smile. The same ideas...a year before.
I upgrade the Fusion tank with 4 tiny meshrolls for better liquid transort.

My setup:
Tank 1: PG 10:1 with marrocan hash concentrate, ss316L 24ga, 10 wraps at 3mm --> 0.5 ohm, 260°C, 35 Watt
Tank 2: VG-PG zero nic juice with flavor (70:30 <-- for good viscosity and transport), Ni80 3-core fused clapton 4 wraps at 3 mm --> 0.16 ohm, 50 Watt.

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

I upgrade the Fusion tank with 4 tiny meshrolls for better liquid transort.

Please - do tell about the mesh rolls! This kit has become an instant favorite. It's like concentrate dissolved in pure VG - which we all know is impossible. Also, love the tank for straight nic juice (first time RTA user).

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[Filhote]

This Clip describe it pretty good

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

Cool, thanks - gotta try it!

Only put this thing down long enough to install a beastly coil for the juice. It's my new best friend.

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

The slow boat from FastTech came in bringing all but forgotten treasures.

Vandy Vapes Pulse with a freestyle build inspired by its postless deck and air-tubes. A true one-hitter quitter. At 240C, vaped a glob with no metal taste. Went back for more, but it was all gone.

 

[Willeh]

@Accept hey man would you mind linking me a where you got that tiny quartz cup? Is it a source vapes replacement part? I'm interested in trying a banger build. While my steel contact coil is still kicking ass I'd like to try a no wire touching oil build.

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

You're right, it's a Source part. Got it on eBay.

Played around some more with a banger build on a top airflow RDA. Got pretty heavily medicated on a tiny dab after several pleasant draws.

Still, it may be an intrinsically flawed design. On the left is a dual stove-top, vertical coil build. On the right, a vertical coil with an extra couple of wraps on the bottom instead. Both worked and didn't notice an improvement with the dual coil build (which used too much power causing the battery to get hot). Both took some time to heat the cup initially. Can't get enough power to heat it quickly. The wire gets red hot, and it's in the air path, which can't be good, even with Sandvik SS316L. You also need to be careful to keep it vertical - a bent tip helps.

Source also sells a ceramic cup heating element (Terra 2) with encapsulated wires on the bottom and sides. That might be a better approach, especially if it heats quickly.

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

Inception.

Can say with no ego, this is finest build. Coil within coil on one wire.

Frustrated with trying to get @2clicker-type builds firing evenly, recalled this Rip Tripper's Video:

Rewatching it, why not try with favorite quad core parallel fused clapton wire (316L SS, 28gx4/36g)?

Less difficult than expected. Transformer in this configuration seemed most natural mount, but more conventional mounting should be possible. Lots of shorts to fix. TC worked until loaded.

IMO, best performance yet - on first build. Haven't been this high since, well, the other night. After vaping about 0.5 grams in the Trinity tank and resting in a deep and dreamless slumber.

What shall we call it? How about the Little Finger?

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

Can't resist, such pretty - and effective - coils.

That's right - three concentric coils on one wire. Even better than two coil version above. Mounts in a large velocity-style deck. (There's room for one more.) Works in TC!

It's easy to load chunks in the space between the middle and outer coils. The outer coil doesn't get very hot. Haven't observed, but imagine concentrate loosens and flows toward the hot inner core, vaporizing instantly, leaving no trace. Delivers remarkably concentrated hits. Very economical. Nothing like it, IME.

Maybe a video tutorial? No idea how to make one.

 

[2clicker]

hot damn look at @Accept bringing the new build heet!

ok ballbags ive got a new build myself! and its easy af fam. in fact @blimeydude already touched on it earlier on this page and i gotta say... its my new go to.

introducing my first Vandy Vape Mesh RDA concentrate build...

this build is incredible so far. it heats extremely fast even at low watts. in fact i went from “400F, .2-.1ohm, at 50 watts”... and now im getting a better vape from “400F, .2 ohm, at 13 watts”. so my battery is lasting longer. also the mesh is the wick and coil in one. the flavor is great, it chucks clouds (if youre into that), and is more efficient than any other coil ive ever built. oh and “building” this RDA, with mesh, is so damn easy. so far i see no negatives to this RDA other than not being able to completely break it down for cleaning. keep in mind there is a new RDA coming called the DigiFlavor Mesh Pro that has a similar clamp style and breaks down completely. its still in pre-order now, but may be a bit nicer than the VV Mesh RDA. but the VVM is an amazing piece and has replaced my Rafale Xs for now.

im still is experimenting with dif mesh sizes. obviously larger hole mesh should wick better, but too large wont hold much. so im looking for my match. so far the included 150 mesh is working well, but ive got some other sizes at home and will be checking those out tonight. its very easy to change mesh on this RDA.

anyway i dont seem to make it here as often as id like anymore, but this thread needs some love. more to come on heating your concentrates with SS316L mesh.

 

[Likes2vape]

hot damn look at @Accept bringing the new build heet!

ok ballbags ive got a new build myself! and its easy af fam. in fact @blimeydude already touched on it earlier on this page and i gotta say... its my new go to.

intruding my Vandy Vape Mesh RDA concentrate build...

this build is incredible so far. it heats extremely fast even at low watts. in fact i went from “400F, .2-.1ohm, at 50 watts”... and now im getting a better vape from “400F, .2 ohm, at 13 watts”. so my battery is lasting longer. also the mesh is the wick and coil in one. the flavor is great, it chucks clouds (if youre into that), and is more efficient than any other coil ive ever built. oh and “building” this RDA, with mesh, is so damn easy. so far i see no negatives to this RDA other than not being able to completely break it down for cleaning. keep in mind there is a new RDA coming called the DigiFlavor Mesh Pro that has a similar clamp style and breaks down completely. its still in pre-order now, but may be a bit nicer than the VV Mesh RDA. but the VVM is an amazing piece and has replaced my Rafale Xs for now.

im still is experimenting with dif mesh sizes. obviously larger hole mesh should wick better, but too large wont hold much. so im looking for my match. so far the included 150 mesh is working well, but ive got some other sizes at home and will be checking those out tonight. its very easy to change mesh on this RDA.

anyway i dont seem to make it here as often as id like anymore, but this thread needs some love. more to come on heating your concentrates with SS316L mesh.

Nice I may have to try this. Looks awesome!

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

introducing my first Vandy Vape Mesh RDA concentrate build...

Welcome back, @2clicker! Agreed - doesn't get easier than the Mesh. Started a thread on it, but there's little more to say. Perhaps the first stoner-friendly solution!

Also started a thread on inception coils. This idea was inspired by your coil-within-coil build. (The new alienception is phenomenal.) PM if you want to try - it would be an honor.