Advanced E-cig users and oil/wax, how-to "one-hitter-quitter"

[HellsWindStaff]

Hey guys, saw this get bumped up on the home page, and actually realized I have a question!

I see you guys using Temp Control, I just got a Smoke M80 Plus Pro that does TC in the mail today!

It comes with a 510 to Ego Thread too.

I understand TC in relation to cigarettes and making coils only works with Nickel and TI correct?

Would me screwing the 510 to Ego Thread into the top of my Temp Control box allow me to regulate the temperatures on a Source Orb? Would be gnarly. Kind of doubt it though based on what I've read so far.

 

[gladthaturaglide]

well i didnt take pics because this particular build is pretty ugly. lol

i have some Ti soaking in ISO and will rebuild soon and post pics.

ill try to get pics of the build as it goes along.

I've got my atomizer with same type of coil still attached soaking in iso right now. I can post pics in a bit. I was planning on dismantling and rebuilding tonight with a hot plate build flat head screwdriver coil instead. Will post about my experience later tonight!

 

[nikcorda]

Hey guys, saw this get bumped up on the home page, and actually realized I have a question!

I see you guys using Temp Control, I just got a Smoke M80 Plus Pro that does TC in the mail today!

It comes with a 510 to Ego Thread too.

I understand TC in relation to cigarettes and making coils only works with Nickel and TI correct?

Would me screwing the 510 to Ego Thread into the top of my Temp Control box allow me to regulate the temperatures on a Source Orb? Would be gnarly. Kind of doubt it though based on what I've read so far.

if youre source orb is using ti or nickel wire for the coil, then yes you can

 

[HellsWindStaff]

I'm not sure what the coils they use around the ceramic/quartz rods, but I typically use the ceramic doughnut...prob won't work with that? I'll do some research.

On the plus side even if I can't, I'm able to pump up to 80 watts to it so it will work, just not sure if TC

Edit: Perusing, seems like they use TI coils. So that's what's up. I do really want to try the ceramic doughnut but like I said even if it can't use TC it certainly will work nicely if I can pump it 60/70 watts.

 

[nikcorda]

I'm not sure what the coils they use around the ceramic/quartz rods, but I typically use the ceramic doughnut...prob won't work with that? I'll do some research.

On the plus side even if I can't, I'm able to pump up to 80 watts to it so it will work, just not sure if TC

Edit: Perusing, seems like they use TI coils. So that's what's up. I do really want to try the ceramic doughnut but like I said even if it can't use TC it certainly will work nicely if I can pump it 60/70 watts.

yeah i think those ceramic donuts have nickel or ti inside. if you can find out which one, i would stick with TC if you can. its awesome

maybe research divine tribes ceramic donuts? i know someone identified whats in theirs, and theyre probably all made by the same place

 

[Copacetic]

Divine tribe certainly recommend using a TC mod don't they?

 

[mole1976]

Would anyone be kind enough to give me a list of quality parts, so I could make one of these. I see that there are clones of RDAs and other parts. I do not know what is legit. I have a Source Orb. Is making one of these b better? Any advice or help us greatly appreciated. I have read a lot on this site, and I know that quality parts are a must. I do not mind paying a little extra for quality products. Thank you for any help, i have some ideas in my head....but that means very little, because I do not know much. Take care!

 

[Copacetic]

I'm not really in the market for a 'One Hitter', but if I were I'd get a temp' control mod like the eVic vtc mini (because it can do all three temp control metals, and is affordable and reasonably powerful - 60Watt) and the divine tribe 2.7 atomiser,
Or just get the whole kit from Divine Tribe (they offer three different battery options, I think).

No experience of these products here though, just lots or reading here on FC and elsewhere, so bear that in mind and take my advice with a pinch of salt.

 

[mole1976]

Thanks, I will look into them. I have a similar Ceramic doghnut foe the Orb. I want something that hits better than the Orb obviously. Anyone else have any suggestions? I don't want to waste time or money on junk. Thanks!

 

[fernand]

Speaking of donuts etc, has anyone seen the MigVapor SubHerb dry herb attachment?

I wonder if it can work with temp control, if it can be used with oils, and if it really works with herb without burning it.

They say "Avoid using temp control mod" as a feature, as an advantage I guess? Or do they mean DON'T use with TC????

 

[Spocks_Katra]

perhaps you gentlemen can assist me,

I received my order from oil vaporizer today with my alpha globe and some spare coils, Im just wondering if anyone has any general tips and tricks as I am relatively new to concentrates, I have a few tools, a scoop dog, a mini honeybun, and a silicone covered tool. im wondering what the best way to get the wax right on the coil is, I found with my metal tools, it was really difficult to get the wax off the end and onto the coil, I ended up just smearing it on the inside wall. thats why I bough the silicone tool but would appreciate tips on this.

WHAT voltage or wattage should it be set for? i bought the single coil TI

How long should I expect coils to last? I only use concentrates maybe 3 times a week with just a small dab, maybe a quarter size of a pea or less. really just enough to cover the tip of my dab tool.


any other general tips about concentrates and the alpha globe would be greatly appreciated!

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

Apologies if slightly off-topic, but still a one-hitter.

Been diluting with PEG mix, because it seems easier to use and less wasteful. Simple build: single-coil Ni200, six wraps, 3mm, JOC wick, 20J, 375F. Great flavor, but most of the juice remains in the wick after dry coil warning. Vaped with hot air, used cotton wicks fill several bags and still don't dry out completely.

Different wicking material, wire, or settings? Trying Supima cotton, Ekowool and SS mesh. OP used SS cable and ceramic. What's best?

 

[fernand]

I don't know your setup, but the first thing that comes to mind if the wick retains oil is that it's not getting enough heat transferred from the coil. Try a smaller diameter coil? Try more tightly packed loops?

FWIW, it seems that most of us here are placing wax onto the coil, with the wick strictly acting as a drip catcher. Without any wick, the hot oil falls out, onto the deck. If the hot drippings are in direct contact with the coil, they continue to boil and evaporate. It's hard to imagine much being left in the wick after the session. This happens to you with a rolled SS mesh like this ? (that wick tilted like that worked ok, but ended up cut shorter).

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

Understood, thanks. Could cut wick even shorter.

 

[smatchimo55]

perhaps you gentlemen can assist me,

I received my order from oil vaporizer today with my alpha globe and some spare coils, Im just wondering if anyone has any general tips and tricks as I am relatively new to concentrates, I have a few tools, a scoop dog, a mini honeybun, and a silicone covered tool. im wondering what the best way to get the wax right on the coil is, I found with my metal tools, it was really difficult to get the wax off the end and onto the coil, I ended up just smearing it on the inside wall. thats why I bough the silicone tool but would appreciate tips on this.

WHAT voltage or wattage should it be set for? i bought the single coil TI

How long should I expect coils to last? I only use concentrates maybe 3 times a week with just a small dab, maybe a quarter size of a pea or less. really just enough to cover the tip of my dab tool.

along the lines of your dab tool issue: i find that i have to heat up my coil a touch by pulsing it, then letting it cool or even testing it by touch with my finger (carefully!) to make sure its not too much over 100-150 degrees or so, then just let the wax melt onto it. sometimes its a bit too hot and i can smell it activating the thc so i grab my top cap and use it like a funnel to get all the delicious vaporz trying to escape.

Your coils at that speed of consumption should last you at LEAST a month. voltages/wattages I wouldnt go much over 20, if your on cotton, maybe 10-15w if your on stainless steel. increase as/if needed.


just came back to this thread to see if anything had evolved. its funny to see that the ole stainless steel mesh quick builds still yeild best results. As for me I've gone back to using cotton. as long as I dont go over 20 watts my wick lasts a long time but does get gunked up within a matter of a couple days.

I make a regular dual coil build, load it with cotton and then e-juice, vape on it till i get a dry hit, then do the above melting trick to load up the cotton around the coils ONLY with wax. then pulse a couple times while hitting it for a nice initial hit, then adding e-juice when that starts to dry out, and re applying it until I dont notice any more THC flavors. Then rinse and repeat. if you do this, you may find that your flavor + wax dont really match. or you might get lucky like me.. i use Pancake Man ejuice (strawbery / maple pancakes flavor)

 

[Spocks_Katra]

@smatchimo55 thank you!

I have been enjoying it very much! though I do think Ill move to ceramic donuts, I dont like ti wire very much from my own experience so far. The alpha globe was well worth it for under $20, the glass has a tiny circular pin sized knick on the outside that it came from factory with, but im not concerned as the glass is decently thick for a small little globe.

I have both snap and wax right now, my wax started kinda buttery almost like nug run but its solidified a bit more the past couple weeks. all together I have a pretty nice little dab stash but looking to pick up more for a birthday I have coming up! do you have a type of concentrate you like the most? I also love co2 extracted oil, I have those kurvana carts I use with a tiny ecig and its great. I really only got into concentrates this year, as its hard to come by until recently but I really like it

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

I'm not sure what the coils they use around the ceramic/quartz rods, but I typically use the ceramic doughnut...prob won't work with that? I'll do some research.

Edit: Perusing, seems like they use TI coils. So that's what's up. I do really want to try the ceramic doughnut but like I said even if it can't use TC it certainly will work nicely if I can pump it 60/70 watts.

How is TC working? Variable voltage might be better for ceramic doughnut.

 

[smatchimo55]

Apologies if slightly off-topic, but still a one-hitter.

Been diluting with PEG mix, because it seems easier to use and less wasteful. Simple build: single-coil Ni200, six wraps, 3mm, JOC wick, 20J, 375F. Great flavor, but most of the juice remains in the wick after dry coil warning. Vaped with hot air, used cotton wicks fill several bags and still don't dry out completely.

Different wicking material, wire, or settings? Trying Supima cotton, Ekowool and SS mesh. OP used SS cable and ceramic. What's best?

ive never had a wick of any kind use up all the oil / mix. the only one that gets close is a wick of stainless steel mesh and even then anything more than a couple millimeters away from the coil will just sit there not getting wicked up. the best method ive seen is a stainless steel mesh wick that is wrapped in a coil at the bottom and tilted slightly so the wax will drip down onto the hotter part of the wick. i tried a vertical coil build where i opened up the top of the SS mesh like a cup/funnell , all it did was melt the wax into a puddle at the top of the wick and give me dry hits. and it wasnt that far away from the coil.

i dont expect any pre built carts to be able to wick better than an RDA. but have you tried holding it upside down when you start to get dry warning? when im getting to the dry point, since there is so much wax/liquid mix on my wicks, i turn down the wattage and hold it upside down and hit it like a mad man. usually get some nice flavorful puffs that way.

 

[HellsWindStaff]

How is TC working? Variable voltage might be better for ceramic doughnut.

I actually haven't tried it, in regards to the Source Orb. For E-juice, you need to prime it up and hold the button down longer, and the hit is "smoother" but IMO kind of less defined and doesn't taste as pronounced. Some juice I have dug more using the TC, some I have not. For instance, I fucking hate Strawberry juice, but I had some and tried with the TC coil at 500 and it was actually decent. I have a PB/Cream/Berries and I feel the PB is much more muted with the TC.

That said, I have used my Source orb with a Variable Wattage device, like that link said right? I was likely overkilling it based on the stuff I perused.

And since it's a TI wire underneath the temp control should theoretically work.....I'll give it a go sometime

It's been sitting in my car for the better part of a month, on a VW device actually...should get it out, don't want it to blow up. I live where it's been relatively cold though. I'll get it out and clean it out tomorrow and try it with the Temp Control device. What temp should I set it at do you think? I have a range of 200 to 900 F it says it can read too. 7?

 

[smatchimo55]

What temp should I set it at do you think? I have a range of 200 to 900 F it says it can read too. 7?

I'd just start at 200 and go up until you are satisfied with the ramp up time! 200 is plenty to start vaporizing, its all going to depend on the resistance of your coil to determine what temp you need, in regards as to how fast it will warm up.

 

[HellsWindStaff]

I'd just start at 200 and go up until you are satisfied with the ramp up time! 200 is plenty to start vaporizing, its all going to depend on the resistance of your coil to determine what temp you need, in regards as to how fast it will warm up.

Don't quote me, but I want to say the Ceramic Doughnut reads out at 1.6-1.8 or something like that. It could theoretically be higher I suppose and my device wouldn't be able to tell? That is tight though, I assumed I would have to have it at least at 5

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

the best method ive seen is a stainless steel mesh wick that is wrapped in a coil at the bottom and tilted slightly so the wax will drip down onto the hotter part of the wick

Thanks - will try SS mesh next. Supima holds much more liquid and delivers strong, smooth, flavorful hits. Same problem with liquid retention, though.

I have used my Source orb with a Variable Wattage device, like that link said right?

OP, yes, but SamuraiSam33 raises point specific to ceramics.

 

[fernand]

Just thought I'd throw this one up, I may have shown it before. The coil underneath is a spiral titanium "stovetop". The little disk in place of a wick is a glass "screen" from e-bay. They come is different sizes. Glass conducts heat well.

If I wanted bigger hits, I'd stack more disks. Maybe find some with more & smaller holes? I was initially using a V V eGo type battery. Now with TC it's a better setup. The oil boils off at the desired temp if the mod works in TC mode. Otherwise it's down to carefully setting the wattage.

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

Try a smaller diameter coil? Try more tightly packed loops?

Mixed results. One build seemed more efficient. Next produced dry hit with same TC. Try higher resistance.

I make a regular dual coil build, load it with cotton and then e-juice, vape on it till i get a dry hit, then do the above melting trick to load up the cotton around the coils ONLY with wax. then pulse a couple times while hitting it for a nice initial hit, then adding e-juice when that starts to dry out, and re applying it until I dont notice any more THC flavors. Then rinse and repeat.

Must try with e-canna + wax.

Source Orb amusing so far. 10cig atomizer works better than expected. Too bad 9mm battery wasn't included. Double coil, quartz wick with globe attachment flavorful and efficacious. Still find manipulating sticky wax wasteful. Freezing helps. Other tips?

 

[mole1976]

So I ordered a VTC mini, and a couple KISS carts. This is my first MOD, did I make a good choice? what is everyone's favorite RDA? I am looking for "the one-hitter quitter" like title of the thread. Any advice on the "best" option for my needs? It will only be used for Rosin, Wax, shatter. Rosin snuffs out the MUAD DIB screens after minimal use. That fake Dr.Dabber thing doesn't give big enough hits. So, I am using my e-nail til Tuesday. Please share your opinions on what I should get to go with the VTC mini, incase I don't like te Kiss carts. Thanks fir your help!