Advanced E-cig users and oil/wax, how-to "one-hitter-quitter"
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2clicker
Observer
well these are red/orange. its reddish-orange not offered in either. its only one option. its the same color you will always find the high temp silicone in.
right on! you all paypal?
durometer should be fine here. ive been using the red/orange high temp stuff with vapes for years. it shoukd be a great match for RDA use. will hold up much better than the cheap shit that comes on the IGOs stock.
fernand
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Thanks! yes I know about the heads, I got both types, plus 2 of the new "3" heads with no protruding wicks. That was my main concern. Which will wick best, with thick liquid that at least needs a little warming to wick at all! I thought maybe the single coil - single wick protank2 would wick better than a dual coil/wick 3? Or a 3 with no extending wicks? And how about removing the extra internal "flavor wick" by opening the head? Anybody been there?
Hi every body, complete newbie here 
Any one tried something that could be called a "hollow coil" or "vaporizing tube"?
The idea is to use the coil as a tube, making sure the air flow passes though.
That should be easy to build, in principle. Just lay the wicking material on the outside of the coil.
Finally adjust the geometry of the build by aligning the input air hole with one side of that tube.
This principle is used in some cheap devices, and E-cig guys have started playing more seriously around that idea too. It looks it has a great potential.
I'll play with all that when i receive the few toys on the way.
Peace
Any one tried something that could be called a "hollow coil" or "vaporizing tube"?
The idea is to use the coil as a tube, making sure the air flow passes though.
That should be easy to build, in principle. Just lay the wicking material on the outside of the coil.
Finally adjust the geometry of the build by aligning the input air hole with one side of that tube.
This principle is used in some cheap devices, and E-cig guys have started playing more seriously around that idea too. It looks it has a great potential.
I'll play with all that when i receive the few toys on the way.
Peace
Thanks for the feedback. So that won't be that simple: viscosity, stickiness, thermal properties of the material, gravity...
What if the coil/chimney is mounted horizontally? In RDAs, the holes are usually on the side. The excess concentrate could flow by the sides to the bottom of the wick, leaving the air flow open.
DabComa
Stuck in Dab Coma
It would work but the purpose of the chimney coil is to increase airflow, in a build where the air feeds from below the coil, so a chimney chill in a igo-w, while functional would be redundant. One of the reasons at least I place coils in horizontally and almost touching the deck, is so that it can catch the viscous oil that runs away from the saturated wick when things get real hot in there. That way I don't have to rearrange the oil after each hit, I can put in about as much as I want and happily puff away till it's all dried up inside. The more I put in the more puffs I get till it's dried up, with at the most 1 rearrange every once in a while.
215z
Well-Known Member
@DabComa i would be very grateful for a pic of your RDA, showing off your coil and wick.
Does this thread need to be branched? One branch for the OP's approach of cooking straight wax in an RDA, and another for tank-able THC juice setups? Each approach has its merits and downsides, and perhaps discussing both approaches in the same thread will confuse people.
Vaping off a wick and vaping off a coil are different animals.
Does this thread need to be branched? One branch for the OP's approach of cooking straight wax in an RDA, and another for tank-able THC juice setups? Each approach has its merits and downsides, and perhaps discussing both approaches in the same thread will confuse people.
Vaping off a wick and vaping off a coil are different animals.
kingtut106
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That drip tip is dope. Is that glass? And where can I find it?I agree with @215z this should be split into two threads
Just scooped a new drip tip for the trident v2
Also do you use your trident for concentrate? I have one as well and I've come to this thread in search of a decent rebuildable that is suited for oils but I'm still browsing along for the answer. I really wish they made an RDA with a conical ceramic dish.
2clicker
Observer
yep. it seems there is a void in the rebuildable oil atomizer market. i wish i had a cnc machine or a bunch of money.
Anybody try the Divine Tribes 510 atomizer? Looks super small and discreet like the gentlemans but has options for a ceramic rod wick which is fantastic. Even came across a YouTube video testing the ceramic durability and it seems to be of very high quality. 2 can be scored for only $15.
215z
Well-Known Member
Nice find, looks like a delta9/uptech kiss cart. Stainless steel and 510 threads are in improvement over the Kiss's aluminum outer shell and 601 threads. Where can you score them for $15 a two-pack? I've seen them for double.
The Rainbow Heaven terminator dripper has a ceramic cup with an airhole in the center, like the w9/up, divine tribe, and vaped skillets, but was designed to be rebuilt again and again.
The Rainbow Heaven terminator dripper has a ceramic cup with an airhole in the center, like the w9/up, divine tribe, and vaped skillets, but was designed to be rebuilt again and again.
fernand
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1- My contribution for today was running solubility tests on a SuperMelt wax with EJMix (EJ) and ordinary USP Propylene Glycol (PG). Bottom line, I couldn't see any difference so far between EJ and PG as "liquifiers".
Both can either dissolve or emulsify a light Sour Diesel Supermelt around the 33% level, i.e. 50mg of EJ or PG to 100 mg of Supermelt, creating 150 mg of a gorgeous clear amber liquid with approximately the viscosity of pure Vegetable Glycerin (VG). There may be waxes/oils that blend better with EJ, but both resulting liquids today appeared perfectly clear and with no tendency so far to separate at std. room temperature. I think EJ has a slightly more annoying aftertaste, and of course a higher cost, around $30 for 50ml, whereas PG is say $2.50 for 120 ml, or less. VG is great for e-cigs but completely unsuitable for vaping cannabis.
Around the 30-40% level, very small additional amounts of the solvent (EJ/PG) markedly affect the end-product clarity and viscosity. There's a threshold around 33% at which it suddenly goes from a milky emulsion to a clear liquid. I'll post photos when I can remember my Photobucket password ;-)
2- Personally, I'd rather the thread continued as is. In the end we're just approaching the issue from 2 sides, and neither is perfect. So there's great value in seeing what both sides are trying.
For instance, the thinned waxes aren't thinned (especially) to rip people off, they're trying to convince oil to wick, like the way it works pretty well in all the e-cigs with some sort of continuous feed. It's tricky with oily liquids, and the oil often either fails to wick, causing burned taste, or it flows too easily and leaks.
The other approach is to manually preload the coil with thicker wax, a la drip or dab, the wick serving as a nail-like platform. But the melted wax tends to drip off the heater, and it's also easy to burn it. Maybe a very small amount of a liquifier would help?
Let's keep seeing mo' solutions!
Both can either dissolve or emulsify a light Sour Diesel Supermelt around the 33% level, i.e. 50mg of EJ or PG to 100 mg of Supermelt, creating 150 mg of a gorgeous clear amber liquid with approximately the viscosity of pure Vegetable Glycerin (VG). There may be waxes/oils that blend better with EJ, but both resulting liquids today appeared perfectly clear and with no tendency so far to separate at std. room temperature. I think EJ has a slightly more annoying aftertaste, and of course a higher cost, around $30 for 50ml, whereas PG is say $2.50 for 120 ml, or less. VG is great for e-cigs but completely unsuitable for vaping cannabis.
Around the 30-40% level, very small additional amounts of the solvent (EJ/PG) markedly affect the end-product clarity and viscosity. There's a threshold around 33% at which it suddenly goes from a milky emulsion to a clear liquid. I'll post photos when I can remember my Photobucket password ;-)
2- Personally, I'd rather the thread continued as is. In the end we're just approaching the issue from 2 sides, and neither is perfect. So there's great value in seeing what both sides are trying.
For instance, the thinned waxes aren't thinned (especially) to rip people off, they're trying to convince oil to wick, like the way it works pretty well in all the e-cigs with some sort of continuous feed. It's tricky with oily liquids, and the oil often either fails to wick, causing burned taste, or it flows too easily and leaks.
The other approach is to manually preload the coil with thicker wax, a la drip or dab, the wick serving as a nail-like platform. But the melted wax tends to drip off the heater, and it's also easy to burn it. Maybe a very small amount of a liquifier would help?
Let's keep seeing mo' solutions!
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I was thinking that the micro skillets reminded me of the kiss carts as well, but I was actually referring to the long and skinny disposable ones that resemble the Gentlemans - those are packaged 2 for $15 at INeedHemp and although they aren't rebuildable they seem like they could be very simple, effective, and cheap for concentrates. The regular skillet looks awesome as well and the fact that they are full 510 as opposed to the EGO threading on the micro is very appealing as I should be getting a new device (Hana Modz) soon and it only accepts the 510. I'm just really impressed with everything they're offering and can't believe I only just came across them.
With the prices I'm finding with divine tribes gear it seems like a pretty great alternative to an RCA (rebuildable concentrate atomizer - just made that up) for me. The prices are perfect for whatever model you choose with them save for their RDA. The benefits I see in this as opposed to an RDA is more discreet, disposable, saves for cleaning, with 2 @ only $15 you can keep your indicas and sativas separate, replaceable drip tip, etcetera.
Well, I think I've successfully convinced myself to take the plunge. Now I have to choose from the skillet or the skinny disposable one.
The terminator is a great suggestion! There is also the Oddy which is a great tank and can be found easily and for cheap. It's got that same ceramic dish setup just didn't remember about it til you suggested the Terminator. That device could probably work magic but the ceramic skillet is small and it's not designed for concentrates so it would make for a difficult time cleaning and probably lots of mess and lost product.
2clicker
Observer
id say keep an eye on that VG mix over the first 24-48 hours then report back on separation. EJmix will not separate, but im thinking the VGmix will at some point.
kingtut106
Well-Known Member
I only use my trident for concentrate. The drip tip has a ss base with an exhaust style tip made from Pyrex.
Nice! Just saw the tip come up on fast tech and I added it to my cart. I would use my trident for oils but it's my only dripper therefore dedicated to nicotine fluid and I can't think of any super efficient build that I could use.
On a side note, I ordered the skillet with divine tribes and will likely throw up a review on here and maybe even YouTube since it looks dope and I'm yet to find any info on it. On top of that I've gotten in touch with the manufacturer and he told me that he is working on another device and sent over pics and all I can say is damn we are in for a surprise in the pen vape world.
kingtut106
Well-Known Member
You want to post those pictures...
My setup is two micro coils with 10 wraps using 28g kanthal in parallel, it works well imo. You should give it a try on your trident if you don't mind building coils.
I don't mind building on my trident I'd just rather keep that RDA dedicated to my ejuice and therefore clean from concentrates, but I did order the skillet on the divine tribes site so I'll have that very soon and likely start a thread to review on here.
As for the pics, I don't know if I should post them as it's not released yet, but it can't do much harm because he said they should be up on the site Monday so I'll post them when I'm home and have access to my actual computer.
It's a discreet atomizer with a conical chamber that leads down to a "Vapin' Donut'" it's like a ceramic washer that heats up. Just look up "fat daddy's vapin' donuts" on Google to know what I mean. It should be more like a legit portable skillet and that ceramic dish should be able to hold up to some abuse from a VV/VW device. I'm really hoping this thing lives up to my hopes.
Haywood
Onward Thru the Fog
Sounds very interesting! Do you happen to know what resistance ceramic donut heater he chose to use? The original ones were very low resistance (0.3Ω-0.5Ω as I vaguely recall).