As always I am more than happy to make a vape to any customers preferred specs if they ask, this of course could include not using any adhesives or materials that the customer doesn't want used.
With core / air path design I think one has to first decide whether or not the core should be closed or open.
If it's open you'll have exposure to the heated wood, potential charring, the solder and flux and the metal/plastic power plug assembly.
If it's closed you can eliminate exposure to those materials but at the expense of potential exposure to whatever material is being used to close the core.
In my design I decided I'd rather attempt to seal the core and deal with the potential exposure to the silicone from that little wire gap past the bead. To me that was the lesser of the evils and so that's the design I chose to go with. Of course other people might make a different decision and luckily I can accommodate that choice if requested.
So that's that. This is a design choice I made and I still think it's the better of the options but don't try to force that viewpoint on others. People who disagree are free to buy a different vape or to contact me and have an UD made to their exacting standards as has always been the option. I don't believe there is anything wrong with this approach and as such won't spend any time arguing the merits of one over the other. UD has always been about high quality, handmade, custom vapes that allow the customer to get exactly what they want and will continue to be so.
@ BigDaddyVapor - of course I'm denying any wrong doing because there hasn't been any. Disagreement? Yes. Controversy? Yes. Wrong doing? No. As far as your threats go I'm not even going to worry about that, I've got no hidden dark history or anything else for you to use as legitimate ammo so do or say what you will, it doesn't matter to me.
@ SlightlyMedicated - your temp readings are pretty much spot on and I have no concerns whatsoever about the use of GG in that location and at those temps. If GG was still being used around the core like in the 1st generation non-24/7 UDs I could understand the concern but not in this application.
@ u bwade runner - thanks for taking the time write a detailed response. I didn't post the comment regarding RoHS as an attack on you just to be clear but just to set the record straight on which materials were actually covered by it. While I know that my claims will be contested here I can honestly tell you that my decisions and designs are not ruled by profit or corner cutting. I strive to make what I feel to be a high-end, safe product and feel that I do so though again I know those points will be argued. I would like to reiterate though that when it comes to our beloved Log vapes you either choose to have the core close or not and the pros and cons that both concepts entail as posted above. I can understand a person choosing not to use a vape with the core sealed and that uses adhesives including GG and silicone but just want to point out again that going that route simply exposes you to a different set of materials with their own concerns.
@ weedmon - log vapes run well within the temperature range of high-temp silicone and there shouldn't be any breakdown of the silicone. I have pieces that were made several years ago and used extensively and the silicone is still in like-new condition. Also to clarify, someone mentioned "flaking silicone" which is inaccurate, the silicone hasn't and doesn't flake, the ceramic insulation is what flakes with manipulated. Just wanted to clear that up.
@ MoTG - I see my original post was edited, presumably by management.. can you tell me if anything besides your name was removed? Guess it doesn't matter either way, your guys house your rules but I am curious. I want to address the following comment:
As I posted above, I was assured when I read your post
here that you had addressed the things that had been found in your vape that were of a concern and had changed your design accordingly.
I don't know where you would get any indication that silicone is no longer used on the vapes considering that it pretty clearly states a couple times that it is still being used on the bottom of the cores. I will take your word regarding the GG never being FDA approved, I've certainly never called them up for a chat so again I'll take your word. I can say that the area the GG is used isn't subjected to heat anywhere near what is required for the glue to break down, not even close so to talk about melting as if it's something that happens is rather pointless. Lastly of course none of these materials have been approved or tested for use in vaporizers, gotta keep in mind that as far as society is concerned the users of vapes are all a bunch of criminal degenerates. I personally don't look forward to the day when the government decides to regulate vapes as 'medical devices', forces small businesses to close shop and the big companies to raise prices to those of other 'medical devices'. Nothing like a market full of $3000 'medical' vapes to ruin everyone's party.
@ CDS - you're spot on regarding the mob having spoken, if users request vapes without the materials in question then that is, of course, what will be built. The consumer speak with their wallets as the saying goes. To clarify, as I already did above, the silicone wasn't flaking.. the flaking was the ceramic cloth.
@ Gandalf - your UD is a newer model Twig and very possibly doesn't have any GG on the power plug but I can't say for sure. If it's something that continues to concern you (and this applies to everyone else as well) I would be happy to disassemble and remove any GG for you if you want to send it in. I am confident that the GG is fine as used, is separated from the air path and doesn't get exposed to anything even remotely approaching bad heat levels. I do understand that you and other users will need to make your own decisions on the subject though so please just let me know if you'd like to send it in. As always I stand by the product and the customer.
@ darkrom - the above offer to Gandalf also of course applies to you, if you're concerned about your Pups just get in touch and we'll talk and clean them up for you if you feel it necessary.
I'll be heading back to the UD thread now that I've said what I came here to say. If anyone want to discuss things further please feel free to join me over there, message me, email, etc.
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how safe is it anyway?
i myself am not into games. and i hope you will reappear in this thread cause you bring up some interesting points that i think you can clarify.
